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#1 May 17 2004 at 9:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Why is the name of animals changed when it dies?

Cow is beef.
Pig is pork.
Chicken is well chicken.
and Horse is Whopper.


#2 May 17 2004 at 9:23 AM Rating: Good
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Because otherwise Chinese restaurants would have to admit they're serving dogs and cats instead of chow mein and other forms of Chinese dishes.

I just call 'em all carcasses.
#3 May 17 2004 at 9:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Chinese restaurants would have to admit they're serving dogs and cats


Thought that was Mexico?
#4 May 17 2004 at 9:26 AM Rating: Good
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I dunno. I don't really eat either Chinese or Mexican. :)
#5 May 17 2004 at 9:31 AM Rating: Decent
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(shutters) It scares me to think I ate Mexican food Sat night.

Kinda funny, there was a stray dog when I got there, but not when I left...
#6 May 17 2004 at 9:37 AM Rating: Good
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While I don't agree with the practice myself, eating dogs and cats is an acceptable food source in many parts of the world. Eating horses is too. And not in dog food.

We had a large horse in our anatomy class when I went through it and one of our professors, who is from Romania, was watching us dissect it and remarked about how it was a shame, a lot of good eating was to be found on our specimen. And he'd have made a nice rug, too, apparently.
#7 May 17 2004 at 9:46 AM Rating: Decent
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Here on the Chesepeake, we still call crabs; crabs. ^^

I hear that in alot of parts, they concider eating crabs like the same as eating roaches and spiders.. In these parts it's freeking heritage. go figure.
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#8 May 17 2004 at 9:48 AM Rating: Good
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I hope I never have to eat anything that has an exoskeleton. Or any form of mollusk. I don't care if they taste great. It's just gross! :)
#9 May 17 2004 at 9:57 AM Rating: Decent
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hha you must be from the west coast ^^.


Personally i find crabs to be a pain in the *** to eat.... And I'd rather be inside playing games and puffing, than sitting in hot weather, drinking beer, sharing bushels of crabs with swarms of flies and fat men in dirty wife-beaters, getting Old Bay in the cuts that I got from their sharp shells, trying to break the suckers open with a freeking mallet.

sorry Maryland, I'll stick with hamburgers.
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#10 May 17 2004 at 10:00 AM Rating: Good
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Wrong coast. I'm from New York originally.

With mollusks.. how can you stand knowing that when you eat one of them, you're not only eating their flesh, but also their gall bladder, digestive system and crap? Same goes for shrimp.

Just, ew. Yuck yuck yuck. I don't even like eating meat (but do it because I don't have the willpower to try to be a proper vegetarian to be able to get all my protein requirements from things like soy and tofu and whatever the heck else they eat) and that's just muscle. The thought of eating somethings gall bladder just skeeves me out.
#11 May 17 2004 at 11:11 AM Rating: Decent
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I'd be more disgusted about the actual bladder and large intestine then the gall bladder.
#12 May 17 2004 at 11:21 AM Rating: Decent
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never eat hotdogs, scrapple, or sausages than, that all the **** bits, lung clumps, and other leftover morsels that they sweep off the floor in the slaugherhouse. Yum!
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#13 May 17 2004 at 11:25 AM Rating: Good
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Except that shellfish don't have bladders or large intestines (I think). But they do have gallbladders.

I remember that from anatomy in undergrade. Mollusks have gallbladders.

I don't often eat hotdogs, but I do eat Italian Sausage. I guess I'm a hypocrite then, because there's nothing you can say that will turn me away from my sweet Italian sausages! Or even the mild version. Toss that in with some farfalle and some vegetables.. mmmm.
#14 May 17 2004 at 12:01 PM Rating: Good
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Not sure about the swine, but as far as 'cow' vs 'beef' is concerned, it is as a result of the Norman invasion of England.

The french word was closer to beef and the Saxon word closer to cow.

Apparently when the Normans took over, the were the only ones who could afford to eat the cows, so the word beef became the norm.
#15 May 17 2004 at 12:13 PM Rating: Decent
what about,

deer - venicin sp?
rabbit - mutton
#16 May 17 2004 at 12:18 PM Rating: Good
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Actually, sheep = mutton. And for the same reason, mingling of French and Saxon.

Rabbit, as far as I know, is rabbit.
#17 May 17 2004 at 12:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Apparently when the Normans took over, the were the only ones who could afford to eat the cows, so the word beef became the norm.


Anyone else picturing an army of hamburger wielding George Wendt's rushing to conquest and valor?

NORM!!

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#18 May 17 2004 at 12:44 PM Rating: Good
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Well, actually, what is really puzzling is this:

Adult Cow = Beef
Baby Cow = Veal
Adult Sheep = Mutton
Baby Sheep = Lambchop
Pig = Pork chop, Ham, Bacon!

Too many words! Just call it MEAT! :)
#19 May 17 2004 at 12:47 PM Rating: Good
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I'm allergic to Tofu, so I only eat Faux-Fu.

And for the Milk Cheese and Soy Cheese intolerant, there's always Rice Cheese.

#20 May 17 2004 at 12:49 PM Rating: Decent
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Eating horses is too. And not in dog food.

We had a large horse in our anatomy class when I went through it and one of our professors, who is from Romania, was watching us dissect it and remarked about how it was a shame, a lot of good eating was to be found on our specimen. And he'd have made a nice rug, too, apparently.


Im not sure, but I believe its illegal to eat horse meat in the US. (at least in Texas)
However its ok to slaughter horse and sell the meat overseas.


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Too many words! Just call it MEAT! :)


True, but you cant mix beef and pork, thats an insult to cattle ranchers. Down with pork!
#21 May 17 2004 at 2:27 PM Rating: Good
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Not sure about the swine, but as far as 'cow' vs 'beef' is concerned, it is as a result of the Norman invasion of England.

The french word was closer to beef and the Saxon word closer to cow.

Apparently when the Normans took over, the were the only ones who could afford to eat the cows, so the word beef became the norm.


A clarification:

The words for the live animals were Saxon because they tended the animals, but rarely got to eat them.

The Normans names stem from the fact that the Normans only came in contact with these beasts on the dinner table.

Cow = Boeuf
Hog = Porc
Chicken = Poulet
Sheep = Mouton

I'm not sure the Saxons differentiated the food from the animal, but even in modern French there is one word for food/animal and one for live/animal.

Gotta love Ivanhoe.

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#22 May 17 2004 at 3:25 PM Rating: Decent
According to Bugs Bunny, hosenphefer is rabbit, but you can fool kings into just eating carrots.

California has (yet another - see Smash's previous discussion on our "here or to go" tax law) great law on this issue. I'm sure some long time residents will recall voting on it. I think it was around 1992 or so. We made it illegal to use horses raised in California for pet food in California. I'm not sure the details - if the food can't be sold within California or if it can't be made in California. Anyhow, we have the initiative system which allows virtually any interested party to hire people to get a law on the ballet. This gem was actually put on by out of state ranchers who apparently make a killing off of it.

Back on point, the cow is still a cow. The meat is renamed when it is put to use, but so is the hide, for example, which is now leather. Other parts are used, too. IIRC some are renamed such as the spinal column/brain tissues which are supposed to be segregated so we don't eat them. To just refer to the whole thing as cow now is less information then needed, and specifying each piece by location or muscle group can become longwinded.

But I think what you are looking for is the dissociation between animal (cute, furry, gentle and/or lovable) and the meat which so many people choose to consume.

As to the joke about horse==whopper, actually after the e.coli scare (one of the many, but the one where the young people died in the Pacific Northwest - one of the more severe) fast food joints (national chains) buy a pretty good brand of beef. Grade A beef just isn't very expensive compared to, say, labor costs or the cost of the building in the industry. The truely poor beef which is still judged fit for consumption by humans (I think it is grade D) is mostly sold to prisons and the school lunch programs - I'm citing Fast Food Nation by E. Slosser here (and there are references in it which you can follow if you are interested from there).

Back off topic: there is a great joke song titled something like "Cat in the Kettle at the Peking Moon" to the tune of "Cat in the Cradle" by Cat Stevens (or Harry Chapin? ...alas early alzheimers).
#23 May 17 2004 at 8:35 PM Rating: Decent
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dont forget these culinary treasures:

human=long pig
monkey=bush meat
frog=chicken
snake=chicken
gator=umm...chicken
'possum & squirrel=stew meat
#24 May 18 2004 at 2:55 AM Rating: Decent
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think in korea, as not to put the tourists off dog is known as trotting pony.
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