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What happened to all that noise about outsourcing, lost jobs, and everything you were whining about just a couple of months ago?
/snicker
Even though Mrs. Kerry's company has been busyn outsourcing jobs for some time. Funny how you guys never mentioned that...
Over a quarter million jobs in a month's time, well, that sounds like progress to me. But I imagine, y'all don't think he had anything to do with this, do you? He's responsible for losing jobs, but never for actually creating any-- isn't that the way it works?
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Over a quarter million jobs in a month's time
Thats a nice start, what about the 8.2 million jobless or the three million in manufacturing jobs, hell even the anaylists say we wont get back more than 1.5 million of those, if we are lucky, due to outsourcing.
I like how Bush claims his tax breaks restarted the economy but no one has ever been able to explain to me how giving me $600 two years ago did that. You want to give someone their due give it to Greenspan and his ilk.
Yes, hmmmm, outsourcing. And who is contributing to this problem? Why, huh! It's the Democratic candidate's wife and her company! Rather hypocritical of Kerry to bash the president for causing this...
...WHEN YOUR OWN WIFE IS A MAJOR PART OF THE PROBLEM!!!!
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...WHEN YOUR OWN WIFE IS A MAJOR PART OF THE PROBLEM!!!!
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Ok it is the 1700's again and wives have to be subserviant to the man of the house, and does everything their husband tells them to do. Not in the part of the world I live in, here we have a thing called equality and we dont control our spouses. In your post you said it is Heinz doing the outsourcing, not Kerry, and his wife does not have to follow his political beliefs. The only way for you to connect Kerry to Heinz is if you personally have over heard him advising his wife to do so, which I doubt since He and his advisers would try to keep her action more inline with his campaign statments, but as I said she can do what she wants it is a free part of the world.
As far as outsourcing being a bad thing it isnt it is cost reduction, and happens all the time. It is actually a good thing, yes jobs are lost, but at the same time jobs a gained so the unemployment isnt a major factor. Outsourcing wouldnt be so prominent if workers wernt greedy, why pay a department so much money when you can pay another company to do it for less moneyand make it where you pay less employment taxes. Sound smart to me, and I thought republicans were suppose to be business savy.
As far as outsourcing being a bad thing it isnt it is cost reduction, and happens all the time. It is actually a good thing, yes jobs are lost, but at the same time jobs a gained so the unemployment isnt a major factor. Outsourcing wouldnt be so prominent if workers wernt greedy, why pay a department so much money when you can pay another company to do it for less moneyand make it where you pay less employment taxes. Sound smart to me, and I thought republicans were suppose to be business savy.
Puhleeease.
She freaking owns the company. So I dare say that the jobs will go wherever she wishes them to go. Don't go spouting some idiotic line about this not being the 1700's. If she is going to be the First Lady she needs to be onboard with her husband's agenda policies and all, otherwise the campaign is a sham every time they trot her out to glad-hand the crowd. She represents him regardless whether you think she does or not.
As for whether outsourcing is good or bad is immaterial to the discussion. Kerry say it's bad and needs to be reversed and all the while his wife is doing exactly what he is campaigning against.
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She freaking owns the company. So I dare say that the jobs will go wherever she wishes them to go. Don't go spouting some idiotic line about this not being the 1700's. If she is going to be the First Lady she needs to be onboard with her husband's agenda policies and all, otherwise the campaign is a sham every time they trot her out to glad-hand the crowd. She represents him regardless whether you think she does or not.
As for whether outsourcing is good or bad is immaterial to the discussion. Kerry say it's bad and needs to be reversed and all the while his wife is doing exactly what he is campaigning against.
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Edited, Sat May 8 10:06:33 2004 by Natdatilgnome
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Edited, Sat May 8 10:06:33 2004 by Natdatilgnome
dirges wrote:
As far as outsourcing being a bad thing it isnt it is cost reduction, and happens all the time. It is actually a good thing, yes jobs are lost, but at the same time jobs a gained so the unemployment isnt a major factor. Outsourcing wouldnt be so prominent if workers wernt greedy, why pay a department so much money when you can pay another company to do it for less moneyand make it where you pay less employment taxes. Sound smart to me, and I thought republicans were suppose to be business savy.
While I agree that cost reduction is good and happens all the time, let's outsource your job and see how good it is. If you don't think it can happen, think again.
The thing about greedy workers......the cost is partially the workers but there's a lot of other factors. Before I was laid off, my pay was 10% of what my company billed our customers. Would you like to venture a guess what the other 90% was? Think maybe it had something to do with a disgustingly high property and keyboard tax? Possibly mix in the bazillion and one regulations and codes that have been imposed on companies over the last century?
By the way Dirges, do you have a job? If so, does that job pay you $1 an hour or more? If so, you're making more than Col. Gen. Baluyevski in Russian....greedy worker you.
As to the origional topic, I hope the *****, her husband, Harry "The Axe Man" Stoneceipher and a few rusty salt encrusted razor blades have wild monkey sex in a big orgy.
In the real world, the first lady contender has little financial connection to Pittsburgh's H.J. Heinz. She was married for 25 years to a member of the founding family, Republican U.S. Sen. John Heinz, until his death in a plane crash in 1991.
She chairs the Heinz Endowments, which still own stock but not enough to meet the 5 percent ownership threshold that requires notifying the Securities and Exchange Commission.
There's been no Heinz family member involved in the management of the business since the late 1980s, said company spokesman Jack Kennedy. And the family drastically reduced its holdings in 1995 in a secondary stock offering.
Even the Heinz Co.'s foundation is separate from the Heinz family endowments.
While the Federal Election Commission's Web site listed a $2,000 contribution on Dec. 31, 2003, by Teresa Heinz Kerry to the "John Kerry For President Inc." cause, it also lists a $5,000 contribution on June 3, 2003, to "Bush-Cheney '04 Inc." by the H.J. Heinz Co. Political Action Committee -- Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
I guess I'd care more about evil Mrs. Kerry outsourcing American jobs.. you know.. if it was true.
She chairs the Heinz Endowments, which still own stock but not enough to meet the 5 percent ownership threshold that requires notifying the Securities and Exchange Commission.
There's been no Heinz family member involved in the management of the business since the late 1980s, said company spokesman Jack Kennedy. And the family drastically reduced its holdings in 1995 in a secondary stock offering.
Even the Heinz Co.'s foundation is separate from the Heinz family endowments.
While the Federal Election Commission's Web site listed a $2,000 contribution on Dec. 31, 2003, by Teresa Heinz Kerry to the "John Kerry For President Inc." cause, it also lists a $5,000 contribution on June 3, 2003, to "Bush-Cheney '04 Inc." by the H.J. Heinz Co. Political Action Committee -- Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
I guess I'd care more about evil Mrs. Kerry outsourcing American jobs.. you know.. if it was true.
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Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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Services added 246,000 while goods-producing industries added 42,000
1) Coming into office and loosing millions and millions of jobs and then getting a few of them back befreo the election isn't an acomplishment any more than coming into office, burning doen Cleveland and then putting the fire out before the elcetion is an accomplishment.
2) Teressa has no controll or influence over Heinz, barely owns any stock at this point, so it's not "her company". It's the company of the REPUBLICAN senator she was previously married to. Of course they're outsourcing jobs.
What are Democrats supposed to be talking about exactly? "Boy you **** all over the economy and cost people their jobs, some people their lives and are responsible for SU troops and contractors torturing Iraqis. Good job getting some of the millions jobs you've lost back though."
Attaboy!
*****, please. There's been an economic recovery in the last few months with 1% Fed Funds Rate. The Fed's going to have to raise intrest rates which will put the breaks on and job growth will lag, yet again. We'll see where the economy is in November.
2) Teressa has no controll or influence over Heinz, barely owns any stock at this point, so it's not "her company". It's the company of the REPUBLICAN senator she was previously married to. Of course they're outsourcing jobs.
What are Democrats supposed to be talking about exactly? "Boy you **** all over the economy and cost people their jobs, some people their lives and are responsible for SU troops and contractors torturing Iraqis. Good job getting some of the millions jobs you've lost back though."
Attaboy!
*****, please. There's been an economic recovery in the last few months with 1% Fed Funds Rate. The Fed's going to have to raise intrest rates which will put the breaks on and job growth will lag, yet again. We'll see where the economy is in November.
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Awww, Jo, you're no fun. I've been running this line of smack on several boards and you're the first to call me on it. Whatever happened to the "If it's on the Internet it must be true" adage? Work with me, baby, work with me! I know you are a bastion of fairness and a veritable male Lady Justice complete with blindfold on, but this was getting serious play. I have been making solid ground as a Republican propogandist and misinformation giver, and here you are cutting my legs out from under me.
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Oh well. The vast majority of simps here don't even read these pol threads, prefering FFXI material instead. Nobody'll even notice.
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Oh well. The vast majority of simps here don't even read these pol threads, prefering FFXI material instead. Nobody'll even notice.
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outsourcing jobs is a basic economic necessity. if a q-tip can be made in taiwan for infinatly cheaper than here. send the job over. the result is an oversees company that flourishes. and what do companies need to do? Invest. this helps w/ our economy as most other countries like to lean on the most dominant country to invest in. Basic macroeconomics.
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outsourcing jobs is a basic economic necessity. if a q-tip can be made in taiwan for infinatly cheaper than here. send the job over. the result is an oversees company that flourishes. and what do companies need to do? Invest. this helps w/ our economy as most other countries like to lean on the most dominant country to invest in. Basic macroeconomics.
But wouldn't it be better to keep all the jobs here so these other countries get poorer and poorer? Then we Neo-con/republican/evil-people can flex our imperialism and grab the country for our own devious needs. >:D
hehe ur next.
id post more but i have to finish my plans on how to best hurt the feelings of France's inner child.
I consider myself more Democrat than Republican, but I still think that Kerry was one of the worst candidates in the primaries. Too bad he won the Dem nomination, I'll feel icky voting for him.. still less icky than voting for Bush. Oh, hey, I could vote Nader!
I would have loved to see Dean get it, get president, and go completely f****** nuts in the white house... man...
I would have loved to see Dean get it, get president, and go completely f****** nuts in the white house... man...
Do what now?
I love outsourcing of jobs, im Canadian but my employer is an american based company that finds it cheaper to operate in the great white north. Better yet i spend my day talking with US people and pissing them off badly as part of my job.
Its a Canadian wet dream.
Its a Canadian wet dream.
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