Assassination!!Follow

So, clever move by the Israelis, assassinate, not one, but two leaders of Hamas, 3 weeks apart. Like that will really help the peace process along nicely. Nothing like a bit of cold-blooded murder to help things along. And the Palestinians have already promised hundreds of reprisals.

Interesting to see which countries have come right out and condemned them for it, while others just dance around the topic.

That Pallies deserve every last dead Hamas leader, gunned down rock chucker, and bloodied protester they have. How hard is it to just become civilized? They have more now living with the Israelis than they ever did under Arab slavery/rule. They'd practically own the Middle East if they threw their lot in with the Jews.

Get a freaking clue, you witless Muslims.

Totem

Eye for an Eye, and where does it end? The Israelis are the senior partner in that situation. They have the power to stop it.

Totem - ignorant racist comments. Where would the Israelis be if they weren't totally supported financially by the US?? Right where they deserve to be - in deep ****.

Oh ********* The Israelis would be more than happy to live in peace with the Palestinians. The Palestinians have never, ever been willing to do anything but kill more Israelis. The Palestinians have had every opportunity to make a livable arrangement with Israel, and every time have balked and resumed violence.

At this point in the conflict I wouldn't object one bit if the Israelis were to drive every Palestinian out of Israel and the occupied territories and never let them back in.



Do you know where the Palestinians would be if they weren't supported financially by their 'peace-loving' Arab brethren? Probably living peacefully as fully franchised citizens of the only modern, democracy in the middle east... Israel.

Edited, Tue Apr 20 07:53:40 2004 by Deathwysh

Oh bullsh*t. The ***** would be more than happy to live in peace with the Jews. The Jews have never, ever been willing to do anything but kill more *****. The Jews have had every opportunity to make a livable arrangement with **** Germany, and every time have balked and resumed violence.

At this point in the conflict I wouldn't object one bit if the ***** were to drive every Jew out of Germany and the occupied territories and never let them back in.

Deathwysh said -

"Oh bullsh*t. The Israelis would be more than happy to live in peace with the Palestinians. The Palestinians have never, ever been willing to do anything but kill more Israelis. The Palestinians have had every opportunity to make a livable arrangement with Israel, and every time have balked and resumed violence."

Right, and who started the latest round of violence, none other than that famous peace-lover Ariel Sharon. All the Palestinians did at first, in response to his deliberate provocation, was let their kids throw stones. But a few deaths from Israeli rubber bullets made certain that didn't last.

And lets not forget that very attractive wall they're building to keep the Palestinians where they belong - in their permanent refugee camps. Hmmm does that remind you of anything at all?

This is a typical head in the sand comment from some liberal peace monger who believes that it's ok for terrorists to strike, but not for governments to strike back. Nice work.


And where would the "palastinians" be if they weren't totally supported by the Arab world? Right where they should be, in some other f'ucking arab country.

The French resistance was on our side, so they were cool. Plus, they are white. Now, if it were today, we would probably say f'uck the french, but that's because they are ungreatful, whiney little ***** who continue to pursue a misplaced sense of importance. The Nicaraguan rebels were brown, but they were on our side, so it made it alright. Today, who knows. I think we would still ship them guns. We're smart like that. The palastinians, on the other hand, are both brown and not on our side, so they draw the ire of a really big military power. Plus, they are muslims, and you all know how we feel about Muslims these days. Isreal is like the little dog in the Looney Toons cartoons. We, the big dog, tolerate them, and even lend an air of legitimacy to them. But alone, they would be like that little cornered wild animal that doesn't have the good sense to play dead.

It would be kind of funny to see the American Indians try the same thing here, eh? The Israelis should take their queue from us. We don't need fences, we just broke their spirits and put them in a desert. Oh, wait...

Look, we can go around and around on this and point out that the Israelis are the newcomers to the region, that the Isrealis are just as violent as the Pallies, and pretend that somehow ***** are relevant to the discussion. All of which ignores the realities of the situation.

Fact: The Israelis are there to stay.

Fact: The Pallies were not treated well by their Muslim brethren, despite all the group-hug, we-are-the-world, any Muslim is my brother shtick. (Is it ironic that'd I'd use Yiddish to describe a Muslim position? Why, yes, I think it is...)

Fact: The Pallies have the opportunity to utterly and completely better themselves manyfold financially, politically, and socially by allying themselves with the Isrealis.

Fact: The Gaza strip is owned by the Isrealis under international law and by the spoils of war, a time honored standard of ownership.

Does this mean that the Isrealis need to be willing to compromise? Of course it does. Does it mean they need to be willing to forego violence once the Pallies declare an end to violence? Of course it does. Does it mean that both sides need to re-examine their ethno-centric view of the world? Of course it does.

But none of this will happen untiol the Pallies give up violence in total. And you can't blame the Isrealis for busting their chops for when they do it either.

Totem

Hey, we're not taking them all. The French get at least half of them.

Well Paris is the S*ithole of the known world so it's can't get any worse i suppose.

Welcome the french hating world America, we have been doing it for centuries

For once i find myself in complete agreement.


Edited, Tue Apr 20 14:33:53 2004 by tarv

It's not even vaguely simmilar. It would be like us assasinating Vincente Fox because of the Mexiacn immigration problem.

I don't believe that the Palestinians will ever have a nation until they first start acting like a nation instead of a mob.

That's the problem here. At what point is it "ok" to allow anyone (especially children) to throw rocks at anyone else? Especially people with guns? At some point, the Palestinian people need to police themselves and have both the will and the numbers to control all the elements within their society. At some point, they need to truly divest power to a ruling body and agree to abide by its decisions.

That's what failed the peace plan 6 years ago. Palestine is not so much a single people as a group of individuals. Each one has their own "small and reasonable" goals. Each wants a particular stretch of land to be part of "Paleststine". Each wants statehood of some form. Some want reparations of some kind. Some want land outside of the three contested areas. Each small group of Palestinians thing just their demands are what's important and refuses to accept any settlement that does not meet their demands. However, when you take all those different groups as a total, it's an impossible list. And so far, no Palestinian leader has been able to muster up enough control of the people to be able to tell any one group that they must abide by any sort of compromise. Arafat and Barak were close to an agreement. Palestine was to get 90+% of the contested lands. They were to have their own state for their own people. The whole deal fell though essentially because a small percentage of Palestinians also wanted lands and reparations for lost lands inside Israel as well, and Arafat could not demonstrate enough control to make that small segment of Palestinians follow his leadership.


That's the key difference here. There's no right or wrong with the violence going on. However, one side is operating under rule of law while the other is acting as a mob. The second that the Palestinians act with one voice instead of many, they'll get their peace. As long as the idea that any small group of people can prevent or force their own demands upon the whole persists, they will continue to have an eternal existence of violence. There's simply no other way. How can they be a nation if they don't have a government that can control them? They can't.


The Palestinians need to clean up their own house first before any peace will occur. I don't neccessarily agree with what the Israelis are doing in way of response, but I can kinda understand their position. The only method they have to deal with the situation is to simply treat those violent elements as criminals. If Hamas is to act like an agry mob, why blame the Israelis for treating the like one?