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#1 Apr 11 2004 at 6:31 PM Rating: Good
How would one know if their fascination for the morbid has gone too far?

I was hanging around with my sister and some friends gettin' stoned and I was doing readings for them. Well, as always, they eventually get to asking me questions because they want to know my about my spiritual path. Well, we were talkin' and bullsh*ttin' when I up and mentioned I would like to have a human skull for my altar.

Okay...mind you, I have no fear of death, whatsoever. I have long since accepted and recognized death as a natural order of life. Just in general, it would probably be an understatement to say my views are not that of "the norm."

So...This skull statement got quite a reaction from everyone, especially one that I still haven't quite gotten over from my sister.

While none seem to appear to treat, look at, or act differently torwards me (I've always been the one to say things from left-field), I can't help but feel like something's changed.

I know I'll never actually get a skull for ANY purpose...and to be honest, I really don't WANT one. I just think it would be cool to have one.

Am I really so far out? Has my fascination turned to something else?

Side Note Edit: Please be serious y'all. This is a situation that kinda has me messed up. I can't stress how much my family means to me and how much that look from my sister was like an arrow through the heart.

Edited, Sun Apr 11 19:33:49 2004 by psychojester
#2 Apr 11 2004 at 6:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Man if you were stoned, it's probably just the paranoia setting in.

But seriously, you have an altar, what are you worshipping or paying homage to?

btw you can get plastic skulls from games/joke stores.
#3 Apr 11 2004 at 6:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah...frankly having your own altar is a little creepier than having a human skull. What's it for?
#4 Apr 11 2004 at 7:14 PM Rating: Good
Not sure how much clearer this will make things sound, but I'm pagan.

My Altar is like my church. I use it for meditation, inspiration for my divination, spellwork if need be.

No freaky stalker sh*t. LOL

Since that incident I have seen those fake skulls. Some are really ashtrays but have a wicked tribal design. I figure if I bless it, it should work all the same.
#5 Apr 11 2004 at 7:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Ahhh just another bunch of props, icons and emotional crutches. Toss all that junk away and seek the answers within, grasshopper.
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Pagans are what devout Chrsitians are if they're kids that don't fit in. They're pretty much identical to church going, abstinance pledging, date raping, promisekeepers.

But they wear black, listen to Bahaus, and have sex with fat chicks. Congradulations on being a cartoon character.
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#7 Apr 11 2004 at 7:26 PM Rating: Good
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Pagans are what devout Chrsitians are if they're kids that don't fit in. They're pretty much identical to church going, abstinance pledging, date raping, promisekeepers.

But they wear black, listen to Bahaus, and have sex with fat chicks. Congradulations on being a cartoon character.


You really are a clueless fúck, aren't ya?
#8 Apr 11 2004 at 7:29 PM Rating: Decent
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You really are a clueless fúck, aren't ya?

Which part am I wrong about, sport? Educate me as to your goofy neo-pagan, Tarot deck reading, half-Wicca ******** religion that you love because it's diffrent.
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#9 Apr 11 2004 at 7:40 PM Rating: Good
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Which part am I wrong about, sport? Educate me as to your goofy neo-pagan, Tarot deck reading, half-Wicca bullsh*t religion that you love because it's diffrent.


1) First off, every part. I'm a 24yo man who could care less about what society thinks.

2) I don't read Tarot, I read Runes. Much older, much more precise.

3) I agree that most of these all black wearing, white face paiting, inch-thing black eyeliner, "oh pity me, the world hates me, so i'm gonna lash out by saying i'm Wiccan" fúcks **** me off. They have no clue where the religion comes from or how much it has had to suffer (from fúcks like you) to stay alive.

4) Again, I could care less what the world or society thinks of me or what I practice. People can go fúck themselves. I was tired of the whole "You're going Hell" propaganda and not being able to find answers anywhere from any supposed "clergy." So, when I DID get answers from a Druid friend/co-worker, I knew where my faith was.

But I really don't expect you to understand or even respect any of this. It's only human nature to fear what you don't understand, hate what you fear, and ultimately destroy what you hate.
#10 Apr 11 2004 at 7:53 PM Rating: Good
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Just curious...could you elaborate on this:

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spellwork if need be.




thanks
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#11 Apr 11 2004 at 8:02 PM Rating: Decent
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1) First off, every part. I'm a 24yo man who could care less about what society thinks.

Oh I know. You're a wild non-comformist rebel.

How many peirceings do you have?


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2) I don't read Tarot, I read Runes. Much older, much more precise.

I'm a little unsure how a diviniation techinique invented out of whole cloth in the 80's by a new age hustler (Ralph Blume) in which there are less than thirty unique seeds and can be more presice than a deck of hundreds of cards but whatever.

Here's a revelation for you. Neither of them can be more "presice" than the other as they're both useless party games that you have, apparently decided to take FAR too seriously.


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3) I agree that most of these all black wearing, white face paiting, inch-thing black eyeliner, "oh pity me, the world hates me, so i'm gonna lash out by saying i'm Wiccan" fúcks **** me off. They have no clue where the religion comes from or how much it has had to suffer (from fúcks like you) to stay alive.

There's nothing funnier than someone decrying people who engage in self pity one sentance who in the next sayd "They have no clue how much suffering has happened".

I mean, damn funny. You should take this **** on the road.


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4) Again, I could care less what the world or society thinks of me or what I practice.

No, you care a lot. You want attention from them. You want to be persecuted because you're "diffrent". You want to be "missunderstood". There's really not another compelling reason to practice a fringe religion.


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People can go fúck themselves. I was tired of the whole "You're going Hell" propaganda and not being able to find answers anywhere from any supposed "clergy." So, when I DID get answers from a Druid friend/co-worker, I knew where my faith was.

Yeah. You're completely diffrent than the person who gets sucking into Scientology by their Scientologist co-worker.

They just believe what someone else tells them.

You belived what someone else todl you.

You're a freee thinker indeed! I bet you read Herman Hesse on the weekends too, don't you!

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But I really don't expect you to understand or even respect any of this. It's only human nature to fear what you don't understand, hate what you fear, and ultimately destroy what you hate.

Yeah, here's the thing. I completely understand it. I don't fear it. I'm not even particularly bothered by it. It amuses me in the same way it amuses me to see people argue that Creationism is equally viable with Evolution.

As to respect, I'm really not sure what I'm supposed to respect? Your right to preform silly rituals created by people looking to make some money by selling a few books? Whatever. People who buy their children "Chicken Soup for the Teenage Soul" make me sick and people who buy their fat chick girfreind "Wicca: A Guide for the Solitary Practitioner" do too.

Anytime I see mushbrained people developing a belief system because they want to fit in with some sort of arbitrary group and feel "special" it makes me ill. Wheater it's est, Scientology, wicca, christanity, whatever. IT's all the same.

Diffrent flavors of the same intelectual anestesia.

HAve fun though. I've certainly nailed my share of the occasional hot Wicca chick for a few weeks untill the ******** got too much take.
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#12 Apr 11 2004 at 8:02 PM Rating: Good
Alot of pagans believe they can manifest their will through spellwork. Any true Wiccan follows the Wiccan Reed of "Harm none, do as you will."

Most generally craft spells of prosperity, blessings, wards against negativity. Some delve into deeper, darker arts.

I know it sounds goofy to some, but it's ok. Some think it's one big joke, others are like "hey, more power to ya," others are genuinely interested.
#13 Apr 11 2004 at 8:32 PM Rating: Good
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How many peirceings do you have?


None, fúck you very much.

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I'm a little unsure how a diviniation techinique invented out of whole cloth in the 80's by a new age hustler (Ralph Blume) in which there are less than thirty unique seeds and can be more presice than a deck of hundreds of cards but whatever.

Here's a revelation for you. Neither of them can be more "presice" than the other as they're both useless party games that you have, apparently decided to take FAR too seriously.


Whole cloth? WTF? Again, fúcking clueless. Runes have been around for hundreds of years. It's actually the earliest known language. The Ouija board is a game that has been taken too seriously.

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There's nothing funnier than someone decrying people who engage in self pity one sentance who in the next sayd "They have no clue how much suffering has happened".


They don't. Anyone who claims they are wiccan just to follow a fad or to fit in is as fúcking clueless as you. When Christianity was the latest fad sweeping the lands (forcefully I might add), Wicca and Druidism as well as every other Pagan religion had to go underground. Unfortunately, it was underground so long, and christianity had taken such a root hold, that when there was a resurgance, it was mainly taken as a joke.

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No, you care a lot. You want attention from them. You want to be persecuted because you're "diffrent". You want to be "missunderstood". There's really not another compelling reason to practice a fringe religion.


Right...I just walk around all day long with a big *** sign that reads MARTYR. Grow up. As far as "fringe religion," the fundamentals for Wicca and Druidism were around far longer than christianity.

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Yeah. You're completely diffrent than the person who gets sucking into Scientology by their Scientologist co-worker.


Scientoligsts need to be shot. L Ron Hubbard has publicly announced he wrote that book as a joke, and people still follow it.

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Yeah, here's the thing. I completely understand it.


Obviously not for you to be spouting out the drivel that you are.

Listen. . .You are obviously going to believe only what you want to believe (probably because people told you to). If you don't like my way of life, or what I believe, oh fúcking well. Nothing you can say or do is going to change me. You are wasting your time. Certainly not mine. I get paid to post.
#14 Apr 11 2004 at 9:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Side Note Edit: Please be serious y'all.


Excuse me, but are you posting & reading in the same OOT forum, I am, or are you in another dimension? Just curious.

#15 Apr 11 2004 at 10:11 PM Rating: Decent
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psychojester wrote:
I'm a 24yo man who could care less about what society thinks.


And yet, you seem to care a lot about what people think of your skullie. Interesting....



Edited, Sun Apr 11 23:20:47 2004 by Tare
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None, fúck you very much.

Well, personally, I'd recomend you go that route to display your FTW conformity to the world. That'll show em!

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Whole cloth? WTF? Again, fúcking clueless. Runes have been around for hundreds of years. It's actually the earliest known language. The Ouija board is a game that has been taken too seriously.

Yes, as an ALPHABET.

You, as previously stated are using them as a DIVINATIONAL technique. While this was likely practiced in ancient times by the Germanic tribes who used the Runic Alphabet no one has any idea how it was done, nor are there any texts indicating how it was done.

When the new age movement first started to make some serious $$ in the 80's a guy named Ralph Blume thought to himself "Damn, I can't belive people selling Ryder-Waite Tarrot decks from the '30s are making so much damn money. I want me some of that."

So he invented something simmilar to Tarrot Reading, but with the Runic Alphabet. Arbitrarily, from whole cloth, off the top of his head, a system of divination using the Runic Alphabet.

He said to himself, "Let's see. People like Scrabble. How can I incorperate Scrabble into this?"

So he created a system using a bag, like Scrabble. Tiles with letters on them, like Scrabble. And he added a "blank" rune. Why? Because Scrabble had one.

So if you should loose your bag of "runes" just think you can go to any Target and just buy a travel edition of Scrabble and be on your way to fortune telling goodness in no time!

Serious historical study of Germanic Rune casters indicates that we have no written record at all of the meanings of individual runes or even runic "script" spells. None whatsover.

Did that stop Blume? Nope.

He just made em up! I mean, really, what's the diffrence, right? We're talking about selling soap to suckers here. As long as you're sufficently vague it really doesn't matter what you say each letter means. Little did he know that people would take it seriously enough to include it as part of their religion. He was just looking to make a quick buck.

Oh, and by the way, he did. He made just a metric ***-tom of cash out of it. He wrote lots of books about runes, just making it up as he went along. I mean, really who's going to argue with him? It's not like Icelandic scholars are going to the Occult section of Barnes and Noble looking to argue over facts.

And that's how we got to the modern practice of fortune telling with runes. Blume just made it up to make money. Pretty good move on his part, actually. If you're looking to blik suckers there's no better place to start than with spirituality. Ask Mel Gibson, or Jimmy Swaggert and on and on.

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They don't. Anyone who claims they are wiccan just to follow a fad or to fit in is as fúcking clueless as you.

Yeah, as opposed to a genuine reason to claim to be wiccan like....what?

A personal experience with spellcasting? Just be honest, you got into because you wanted to **** some chick who was into it because she was between the Horses Phase and the Goth Phase and it was just easy to fit in for you. I'm sure that out in Idaho or wherever it is you are it's viewed as a strange and mysterious thing, but for the rest of the world it's just seen as a pathetic cry for attention.


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When Christianity was the latest fad sweeping the lands (forcefully I might add), Wicca and Druidism as well as every other Pagan religion had to go underground. Unfortunately, it was underground so long, and christianity had taken such a root hold, that when there was a resurgance, it was mainly taken as a joke.

you're right, it should have been taken much more seriously. I mean if we don't take people who claim to tell the future with Scrabble tiles seriously they might cast spells on us.

Light a black candle for me will you?

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Right...I just walk around all day long with a big *** sign that reads MARTYR.

I'm not the one that posted about my altar and the "readings" I was doing and getting a skull, Skippy.

So, yeah, basically you are walking around all day long with a sign that reads "LOOK AT ME!!!" or the internet equivilnet of it.

You should have titeld your post "100k at m3!! I have a 1337 religion!" Because that was the point of it.


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Grow up.

Yeah, I'll get right on that. I'll sit and think about my lack of maturity because a self described "pagan" runcaster who is deciding if he should have a skull or not sugggested it. Good idea.

Maybe later I'll take hygine tips from someone that swims in Ebola infected **** all day long too.

Or maybe not.

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As far as "fringe religion," the fundamentals for Wicca and Druidism were around far longer than christianity.

So was human sacrafice. Must be a good idea then!

"Fringe" means marginal, Edith Hamilton. It doesn't mean "new". It means "a small number of people practice it".

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Scientoligsts need to be shot. L Ron Hubbard has publicly announced he wrote that book as a joke, and people still follow it.

Yeah, like the people that take runecasting seriously. What a ******* joke they are. They need to be shot right after the clams.

Oh, sorry, but people in glass houses and all.


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Obviously not for you to be spouting out the drivel that you are.

Right, because if I disagree with you that means I don't understand something, right? That's a lovely point of view. Must make it easy to never have to examine your beliefs.

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Listen. . .You are obviously going to believe only what you want to believe (probably because people told you to). If you don't like my way of life, or what I believe, oh fúcking well.

I really couldn't give a fu'ck actually. I just think it's amusing that there's a 99.9999 percent probability that I know more about the religion you practice than you do. I also find it amusing that people who become "pagans" or whatever you want to label yourself as ***** about how silly Christanity is then do the exact same things Christians do.

That's the part that makes me laugh the hardest. If you had been born into Paganism and Christanity was the fringe religion, you'd be Christian. It's just a style thing. That's fine, but trying to make it seem deeper than that just makes you look like an ignorant pretentious moron.

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Nothing you can say or do is going to change me.

True. I'm not your real father! Right?

Sorry, just wanted to get into the spirit of your rebellion there. You'll grow your hair long if you want to and I can't stop you!

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You are wasting your time. Certainly not mine. I get paid to post.

You get paid to post?

You lost me there, sparky.
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#17 Apr 11 2004 at 10:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Oh and by the way:

Am I really so far out?

NO.

You're actually completely ordinary to the point of being predictible. A cartoon character of a young adult looking for meaning in an otherwise empty life.

Could be worse, you could on crank I guess.
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.

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It's not like Icelandic scholars are going to the Occult section of Barnes and Noble looking to argue over facts
Druidic ones do though, right? Because I'm opening my collection of Llewellyn Press texts to private viewing by appointment for academic purposes.
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My favorite Llewllyn Press book:

http://www.llewellyn.com/bookstore/book.php?pn=K182

It's got Celtic legends, Tarot cards and Dragons all rolled up into one nifty package.

A surefire winner if ever there was one.
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#20 Apr 12 2004 at 10:17 PM Rating: Decent
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No freaky stalker sh*t. LOL


You know...Naw...too easy, too easy.

On a similar subject had a friend who dated a pagan for awhile. She believed she could divinate the truth with a pendulum. Finally one night we forced her hand, had a deck of cards lying face down, spread out. Told her to use the pendulum to find the Ace of Spades. She said, 'sure', and, using the pendulum, picked the wrong card. Mocking her, I shot a rubber band at the cards and turned over the card it hit...Ace of Spades. Maybe I should write a book, too?

--DK
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Mocking her, I shot a rubber band at the cards and turned over the card it hit...Ace of Spades. Maybe I should write a book, too?

--DK


Well... Clearly she "losened it". :)
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