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#1 Mar 08 2004 at 1:00 PM Rating: Good
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The Rev. Louis Sheldon, chairman of the Traditional Values Coalition, said he has been campaigning against gay activism since 1972 and has never seen an issue rouse such passions as same-sex marriage.

"America stands at a defining moment," he said. "The only comparison is our battle for independence from England."


Christians say the darndest things. Smiley: oyvey



#2 Mar 08 2004 at 1:06 PM Rating: Decent
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"The only comparison is our battle for independence from England."


sure you spent all that time getting independence from what is now your primary Ally i wonder if that means gays will form the basis for a recovery in christianity?

Nah silly me
#3 Mar 08 2004 at 1:09 PM Rating: Good
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lmao.
#4 Mar 08 2004 at 5:53 PM Rating: Good
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tarv wrote:
sure you spent all that time getting independence from what is now your primary Ally i wonder if that means gays will form the basis for a recovery in christianity?


seeing what christianity (and other organized religions) have become, I don't see this as too far fetched a possibility. i went to gay pride in SF last year and saw floats go by in the parade advertising "gay christianity". Aside from the obvious oxymoron, it supports your possibly sarcastic statement as being closer to reality.

dunno why it seems like a shocker to anyone though..the bible talks about all of this as the beginning of the end of times.
#5 Mar 08 2004 at 5:55 PM Rating: Good
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dunno why it seems like a shocker to anyone though..the bible talks about all of this as the beginning of the end of times.


We don't all read the Bible. Shocker.

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#6 Mar 08 2004 at 6:00 PM Rating: Good
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not at all a shocker, actually.
#7 Mar 08 2004 at 7:17 PM Rating: Decent
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dunno why it seems like a shocker to anyone though..the bible talks about all of this as the beginning of the end of times.


The Bible has been talking about it being the end of times ALL THE TIME.

/yawn.

#8 Mar 08 2004 at 7:22 PM Rating: Good
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The Great Empyre wrote:
not at all a shocker, actually.


So, why are you wondering why people are shocked?If we don't all read the Bible, then we don't all know (or believe) in the coming of the "end of the world," do we? Seemed simple to me..
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#9 Mar 09 2004 at 2:55 PM Rating: Good
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actually, the bible hasnt been talking about the end of time being all the time..in fact, it says none of us will ever know when he will come again. we just have always had doomsday prophets to tell us the end is near. it DOES give you enough hints as a believer to understand when the end is near..certain things require believers to do different things in the end times. for that reason, the bible gives guidance for believers in order that we will survive and maintain our faith. as the end times unfold, it will be harder and harder to believe, as satan will have more and more control over the earth.

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So, why are you wondering why people are shocked?If we don't all read the Bible, then we don't all know (or believe) in the coming of the "end of the world," do we? Seemed simple to me..


your right..my context was probably a little whack. its tough once you believe and start to understand to expect others have as well. and just because we don't believe in something doesn't mean its not going to happen...people live horrific lives every day in denial. I never believed drugs would destroy the nerves in my head..people i know never thought they would get raped if they hung out at sketchy places and people end up dead every day because they thought certain laws did not apply to them.

but thats free will for ya..
#10 Mar 09 2004 at 3:10 PM Rating: Good
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The Great Empyre wrote:
and just because we don't believe in something doesn't mean its not going to happen...


On the contrary, it doesn't mean that it IS going to happen either.
#11 Mar 09 2004 at 4:42 PM Rating: Good
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aye. but who loses if it doesn't? noone really.

and who loses if it does? ..
#12 Mar 09 2004 at 4:46 PM Rating: Good
Empyre, your opinion here was more respected when you turned ************ and stopped posting here because we were all "too mean " to you.

By the way, Tokenblack says "Hi".

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#13 Mar 09 2004 at 4:50 PM Rating: Good
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Empyre, your opinion here was more respected when you turned chicken-sh*t and stopped posting here because we were all "too mean " to you.

By the way, Tokenblack says "Hi".


shows what you know. i post rarely now because of a new project at work thats eating my time. implying that I'm scared of you or anyone on here (not even APPROACHING the fact this is a messageboard) is just silly.

besides..we alllll know that you are are one to talk about being respected. pot..kettle..black?
#14 Mar 09 2004 at 5:07 PM Rating: Decent
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aye. but who loses if it doesn't? noone really.

and who loses if it does? ..


well for us non believers our personal actions will not bring about the end of the world so we have no guilt if it does and since we will all be dead and i don't believe in the afterlife so i won't be around to regret it.

I think that make me the winner. No hang ups in life and no worries when i'm dead.



Edited, Tue Mar 9 17:08:55 2004 by tarv
#15 Mar 09 2004 at 5:19 PM Rating: Good
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unless of course you ARE accountable...in which case eternal damnation is a bit more difficult to deny exists if it becomes reality.

your choice to deny..i'd hate to be in a non-believers shoes when they standing in front of the one that created them trying to make excuses when asked what they have to say for themselves and their sins.

If God is as big and powerful as we believers believe, then there won't be any shadows to hide in either..but if people want to take that chance, so be it.
#16 Mar 09 2004 at 5:35 PM Rating: Decent
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If my only sin is not to believe nwhy would i fear judgement? i pretty much live by the basic tenements of the christian faith anyway because that is the way the english are brought up.

I do not need a god figure to tell me what is right or wrong i have a conscience for that.

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your choice to deny.


No my choice is to live. live without fear, live without hate because someone is different, live without judgement of others, live with the joy that come from knowing that i have one shot of life and i have to make the best of it

choose life , choose a car, choose a family to care for, choose a house to live in and spend month redecorating just before you sell it after years of neglect, choose a job you hate, choose a partner you can connect with, choose a board with bazaar posters, choose a wheelchair bound psycho to praise, choose a large tub of ice cream, choose a new phone even though yours still works properly, choose a great man to lead you, choose to ignore the fact the great man isn't but above all choose life.
#17 Mar 09 2004 at 5:50 PM Rating: Good
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but if God is the creator, and that driving force in your conscience then you are believing in him (sort of), just not giving him credit. and if all he requires to get into heaven is to believe he delivers wisdom and truth, that christ is that truth and the holy spirit is the method of delivery, then even though intentions are good...you are still denying the one that created you exists. in which case, why would he give you the luxury of living forever in heaven?

everyone sins..its in our nature and all around us. but two things happen as a believer. 1) we get forgiveness of those sins just by asking him, and 2) as a true believer, we don't want to sin...so our life is a constant improvement process. Only bible thumpers think that you need to stop what you are doing and cannot have another sin in your life until you die in order to get into heaven. in my opinion. but once you have a relationship with God, you want to sin less and less..he works on us little by little once we are saved. noone on this earth is strong enough to resist sin their entire life...otherwise he wouldn't have had to come to the earth in the flesh in order to give us a way to be saved.

bah..anyways. the dead horse gives up.
#18 Mar 09 2004 at 10:41 PM Rating: Good
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The Great Empyre wrote:
but two things happen as a believer. 1) we get forgiveness of those sins just by asking him,


So going with this, say I die and you were right. Now I'm standing before god and his judgement. Ok, now I'll believe. Can I ask for forgiveness and be saved? According to your beliefs I would say yes.

#19 Mar 10 2004 at 12:35 AM Rating: Good
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no...once you've seen him and are in front of the throne its over..its not about faith anymore and judgement is upon you (and us all).

think of it like a trial. God is the judge. you are asked to account for your sins. in this respect, everyone is guilty...but if you are a believer and believe christ died for our sins, then he has paid the price for you already and there is nothing to account for. if you DONT believe, the price is paid by yourself...eternal damnation.
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