Deathwysh wrote:
If the only origin you can accept is that everything was made by some big man in the sky, that's fine. Intellectually, I cannot accept that. It raises the question, where did the big man in the sky come from?
Okay, to make this clear once more...
Fellgaze wrote:
"...and my views don't involve some self-aware, all-knowing, all-seeing, benevolent entity guiding my steps through life..."
I thought that rather clearly established that I do not, in fact, believe in some "big man in the sky". Maybe it didn't...or maybe you just missed it. You decide.
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It just always was. Forever expanding until the interia of the last big bang is overcome by the forces of gravity, and it all starts to collapse again into one huge ball so dense that it forces another bang. And it all starts over again.
Exactly so. However, since there is no verifiable way of confirming this, never has been, and never will be...you're making a leap of faith if you believe that explanation, which is exactly the same as believing in a god without having any proof it exists.
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Its quite irrelevant to me.
Cynical defined; "...Negative or pessimistic, as from world-weariness....Expressing jaded or scornful skepticism or negativity..."
I think I could also add apathetic to the qualifiers that fit you.
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Really? So let me ask you, how many times has this happened? How many times has the universe been through this whole "big-bang/expansion/collapse/big-bang" process? Are you assuming that THIS is the only time its happened? Have you considered the possibility that it has happened an incalculable number of times?
Yes, I have, and that's exactly why I believe what I believe.
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If it has... well that certainly makes the odds a lot stronger in our favor, eh?
Oh yes, this Big Bang may indeed have happened so many times that out of the trillions upon trillions upon trillions of stellar bodies in the universe, our planet finally got a shot. Yes, those represent "stronger odds". Then again, maybe it didn't, and maybe this is the first time. As you said...I don't know, and neither do you.
I think you're missing the point; I'm not criticizing your atheistic beliefs, I'm criticizing the rather offhanded way you had of crapping on those of others when you're faced with rather strong evidence that they may, in fact, have a point.
GAH!!! I love a good debate...couldn't keep up my resolve to not post about this anymore.