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One wonders if Cheny will use his Santanic powers to heal the poor tounge speaking snake handling yokel we refer to as the Attorney General.
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
It could happen. I mean, someone keeps performing the voodoo rituals necessary to keep you up and posting, so there's gotta be hope that the People's Minister Civil Rights will walk again.
Smashypoo wrote:
One wonders if Cheny will use his Santanic powers to heal the poor tounge speaking snake handling yokel we refer to as the Attorney General.
Haha, at first glance, I thought he wrote "Santana Powers" and I had a funny mental image of Cheny playing the guitar.
I guess Ashcroft will just keep on keepin' on, eh, Smash, since there is no God? There is apparently no repercussions for taking a stand on anything since there is no Diety to whom we are answerable. Ashcroft is a law unto himself.
It must suck to be an atheist.
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It must suck to be an atheist.
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It must suck to be an atheist.
No, actually its quite nice. No fear of hell. No fear of sin. The simple realization that the world we live in is the only one we have to worry about.
Its very reassuring.
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No, actually its quite nice. No fear of hell. No fear of sin. The simple realization that the world we live in is the only one we have to worry about.
Its very reassuring.
No, actually its quite nice. No fear of hell. No fear of sin. The simple realization that the world we live in is the only one we have to worry about.
Its very reassuring.
Oh, you mean like Morphine? I get ya, it eases your mind from the complications currently happening. Sure is going to suck when that morphine wears off though, and you realize your legs are gone...
Figuratively speaking of course.
Hey, if god does turn out to exist...I'm gonna ***** slap that tard across eternity. I'm going to hell anyway, might as well go with a smile on my face.
I don't think so, D. He's got an incredibly overpowered damage shield on himself...
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Oh, you mean like Morphine? I get ya, it eases your mind from the complications currently happening. Sure is going to suck when that morphine wears off though, and you realize your legs are gone...
Figuratively speaking of course.
Figuratively speaking of course.
I think you've got things a little backwards. That statement would apply to the 'Opiate of the Masses' very well, but is completely inapplicable to atheism. Religion is the drug. Religion is the escape and the rationale, the crutch for the weak and the superstitious that can't accept that life is just a cosmic accident and is only meaningful to those that live it.
And if there were a God, a God capable of creating all existence with the mere power of his thoughts, what possible interest could he have in us? We'd be less to him than microbes are to us. Why would he possibly crave our adoration?
The notion is just plain silly.
But if it makes you feel better to think that its so, by all means feel free. I don't suppose religion is that much different than ************* unless its taken to extremes, it really doesn't do any harm.
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That statement would apply to the 'Opiate of the Masses' very well, but is completely inapplicable to atheism.
Oh, so you're saying "I'm not the one that is different, you are!"?
Let me guess what's next, you're rubber and I'm glue right?
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That statement would apply to the 'Opiate of the Masses' very well, but is completely inapplicable to atheism. Religion is the drug.
Don't kid yourself. Atheism is as much a religion as Catholizism or Islam or any of the other mono- or poly- theistic beliefs. It just shrinks the number of available deities.
See Deathwysh, I'm kind of a fence sitter on the whole topic of religion, so I get to play Devil's Advocate. You say that the universe was the result of some cosmic accident and that this life is the only one that we will ever exist in, right?
What if the "Big Bang" was actually God's doing. What if it was God that actually created the universe, out of sheer whim. Sure, the bible says it took Him 6 days to make the universe, but do we know how long those 6 days actually were? Or how about how long the big bang actually took? Do you honestly believe that the universe could be created in the blink of an eye?
My theory is that science and religion are saying pretty much the same thing as far as the universe goes, just giving the credit to different people (or cosmic anomolies). What if there IS a God, and you in your athiesticness are sent to Hell?
With that said, I'd also like to say that all religions are cults. All of them. To me, religion isn't about God, or who are the chosen people. Religion is an institution set up to instill a set of moral values in us. It's just a way to create civilized, decent people. Whether this is God's will or the will of man, that's the real question of religion.
Edited, Sat Mar 6 02:05:59 2004 by TwiztidSamurai
What if the "Big Bang" was actually God's doing. What if it was God that actually created the universe, out of sheer whim. Sure, the bible says it took Him 6 days to make the universe, but do we know how long those 6 days actually were? Or how about how long the big bang actually took? Do you honestly believe that the universe could be created in the blink of an eye?
My theory is that science and religion are saying pretty much the same thing as far as the universe goes, just giving the credit to different people (or cosmic anomolies). What if there IS a God, and you in your athiesticness are sent to Hell?
With that said, I'd also like to say that all religions are cults. All of them. To me, religion isn't about God, or who are the chosen people. Religion is an institution set up to instill a set of moral values in us. It's just a way to create civilized, decent people. Whether this is God's will or the will of man, that's the real question of religion.
Edited, Sat Mar 6 02:05:59 2004 by TwiztidSamurai
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I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.
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And if there were a God, a God capable of creating all existence with the mere power of his thoughts, what possible interest could he have in us? We'd be less to him than microbes are to us. Why would he possibly crave our adoration?
The notion is just plain silly.
The notion is just plain silly.
Let's not start another "Does God exist?" thread hijack over this, but...
Here's a crazy notion for you.
Having existed always, and being the sum total of all matter, energy, and time (kinda like the universal mass before the moment of the Big Bang), God one day asked himself, "Is this truly all?".
Wanting to find out for Himself, he scattered His essence into untold fragments; some became planets, stars, sand, water, fish, bacteria, black holes, quasars...humans. Us.
The universe is constantly expanding...for now. But one day it will draw back upon itself and collapse, reforming itself into exactly the single unified mass of everything it once was. Kinda like being "...made in someone's image...", isn't it?
Think about it. If you had existed before even time did, and things had always been as they were and always would...wouldn't you feel a little limited, a little...bored? You were all...how could you know what it was like to be anything else?
Solution? Make yourself less than all, into fragments, and let those fragments operate individually...and then one day draw it all back in and absorb the new knowledge that such a state had procured you.
We're all made from fragments of the single unified force that once existed. One way or the other, we're a part of it and we'll return to it ("...ashes to ashes, dust to dust....") wether we like it or not, since matter and energy are never actually lost, simply converted to another state.
The trick for me to accept a notion of spirituality was to stop thinking of "God" and the Bible and all the world religions as literal explanations, and seeing them for what they were; stories relating those brief moments in time where some person's consciousness tapped into the guiding, motivational force of the universe. Having returned from that brief moment, our Earth-bound mind would be unable to accept or explain what it had seen and felt, and would therefore "metaphorize" everything...put it in a context we could understand. Hence the Holy Books of all the world religions, which are really nothing more than parables.
Do I think "God" is an individual consciousness looking down on all of us, there but separate? Do I think He has a body of some sort? No.
But can I deny that the entire universe and all its incredible balance and clockwork precision and complexity, a complexity we can't even begin to understand the simplest workings of, is a pure fluke? No.
And only someone as vapid and without the ability to reflect on any thought more complex than "I'm wearing pants!" would claim life is an accident. Spend more time at least trying to understand things, and less being a cynical f*ckwit.
Edited, Sat Mar 6 05:24:54 2004 by Fellgaze
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The universe is constantly expanding...for now. But one day it will draw back upon itself and collapse, reforming itself into exactly the single unified mass of everything it once was. Kinda like being "...made in someone's image...", isn't it?
Think about it. If you had existed before even time did, and things had always been as they were and always would...wouldn't you feel a little limited, a little...bored? You were all...how could you know what it was like to be anything else?
Solution? Make yourself less than all, into fragments, and let those fragments operate individually...and then one day draw it all back in and absorb the new knowledge that such a state had procured you.
Think about it. If you had existed before even time did, and things had always been as they were and always would...wouldn't you feel a little limited, a little...bored? You were all...how could you know what it was like to be anything else?
Solution? Make yourself less than all, into fragments, and let those fragments operate individually...and then one day draw it all back in and absorb the new knowledge that such a state had procured you.
Wow! What a great attempt to rationalize religion with scientific theory! And you've got the gall to call me a ********
The God you describe is so incomprehensible to the humand mind as to make him utterly irrelevant to our existence. Its very nice that you can casually dismiss the worlds religions so easily, but very simply NONE OF THEM, absolutely none of them has a doctrine which suggests that what you say is in any way true. Does that make you the next great prophet?
There is entirely too much randomness in this world to suggest to me that there is any conscious entity behind it all. If you want to belive otherwise, by all means, knock yourself out.
Edited, Sat Mar 6 08:52:29 2004 by Deathwysh
Or we're here because of some alien experiment..........
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Or we're here because of some alien experiment..........
That's just as good an explanation as 'god got bored and split himself into myriad parts to keep himself company'.
God, I'm so sick of talking about God....
What's bred in the bone will not out of the flesh.
Man, for an athiest, you sure have a LOT of strong beliefs, Deathwysh. Maybe you just can't accept the fact that you aren't in direct control of your own destiny. That fact honestly scares the **** out of a lot of people. Maybe you refuse to accept the fact that there is something in this universe that is better than you.
I could go on and on, but I know that I won't be able to change your mind. Just like you can't change the minds of the others on this board with your ranting.
God, this thread is going downhill fast.....
I could go on and on, but I know that I won't be able to change your mind. Just like you can't change the minds of the others on this board with your ranting.
God, this thread is going downhill fast.....
Jophiel wrote:
I managed to be both retarded and entertaining.
I have faith that we'll figure out the answers eventually.
Reality is subjective, obviously. In my reality, we are all responsible, accountable and self determined, so we'd better take care of this world, and each other. In my reality nobody else is going to do this for us.
I don't think this makes me a cynical f*cktwit.
Reality is subjective, obviously. In my reality, we are all responsible, accountable and self determined, so we'd better take care of this world, and each other. In my reality nobody else is going to do this for us.
I don't think this makes me a cynical f*cktwit.
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God, I'm so sick of talking about God....
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Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Wow, this thread went from Ashcroft to if god exist and in which way. personally i belive in God.
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I'm going to hell anyway, might as well go with a smile on my face.
I feel sorry for you because you know that there is a hell but for some reason you know your going there and you dont care? Are u an idiot? apparently you dont understand what hell is about, go to church and maybe you will understand the mistake of what you said, i hope atleast.
personally the reason i think lots of people dont think God exist is because we humans cant comprehend it. if we knew then we would know but we dont, besides the reason u dont acknowledge God is because you dont want to rationalize all the filthy and bad things we do. its like doing something bad and getting in trouble from your parents, ur scared.
hope that help some of you understand.
There isn't a God. Athiesim isn't even vaguely related to a religion. Atheisim is exactly the same as realizing there is no Easter Bunny. It doesn't require faith in anything, it requires a minimal ability to reason and not randomly accept things which are obviously untrue without a single vague shred of evidence.
If you belive in God or Gods or whatever it is that you let your mush filled brain be filled with to benefit other people you're a moron. Period. It's not a debate. You're an idiot.
If you "found God" because you prayed for a hammer and found one in your garage, you're a moron.
If you "have faith" because the followers of a dead carpenter who got nailed to a tree two thousand years ago realized they had a money making opportunity on their hands, you're a moron.
If you believe you belong to a set of "chosen people" because you believe that what a small arab tribe of slaves wrote on a scroll is an accurate way to deal with the world, you're a moron.
If you believe that a guy in a cave spoke directly to God and then went out to conquer infidels and that means you should accept what he had to say and bleieve in his god, you're a moron.
You're a moron on the scale of someone ten thousand years from now who discovers a tape of "Barney and Freinds" and decides that it's a message from god and that people really should all be a big happy family and starts to worship a large purple dionsaur.
Grow up, deal with reality.
You're not special. There is no higher power looking out for you, guiding you life, watching over the spirits of your deade relatives, whatever. Whatever ludicrous pathetic weakness it is that you are possesed of to have to give up your grip on reality enough to believe in the random ******** ddesigned by someone else to make them rich, it's not real.
If you belive in God or Gods or whatever it is that you let your mush filled brain be filled with to benefit other people you're a moron. Period. It's not a debate. You're an idiot.
If you "found God" because you prayed for a hammer and found one in your garage, you're a moron.
If you "have faith" because the followers of a dead carpenter who got nailed to a tree two thousand years ago realized they had a money making opportunity on their hands, you're a moron.
If you believe you belong to a set of "chosen people" because you believe that what a small arab tribe of slaves wrote on a scroll is an accurate way to deal with the world, you're a moron.
If you believe that a guy in a cave spoke directly to God and then went out to conquer infidels and that means you should accept what he had to say and bleieve in his god, you're a moron.
You're a moron on the scale of someone ten thousand years from now who discovers a tape of "Barney and Freinds" and decides that it's a message from god and that people really should all be a big happy family and starts to worship a large purple dionsaur.
Grow up, deal with reality.
You're not special. There is no higher power looking out for you, guiding you life, watching over the spirits of your deade relatives, whatever. Whatever ludicrous pathetic weakness it is that you are possesed of to have to give up your grip on reality enough to believe in the random ******** ddesigned by someone else to make them rich, it's not real.
Disclaimer:
To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
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I feel sorry for you because you know that there is a hell but for some reason you know your going there and you dont care? Are u an idiot? apparently you dont understand what hell is about, go to church and maybe you will understand the mistake of what you said, i hope atleast.
Spell it with me brando. J. O. K. E. See? Not that hard to figure out. Tard.
Well hum u didnt say u were joking and i know nothing about you so how would i know your joking? u didnt say u were or imply anything that you were, ive heard people say they didnt care they were going to hell and meant it.
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if we knew then we would know but we dont, hope that help some of you understand.
I'm truly amazed at your mastery of the english language. Your ability to string together random words, and somehow form complete sentences leaves me awstruck. Bravo old boy, bravo.
Ok. So let me see if I've got this right:
There's this guy. Let's call him "God". He creates the entire universe and everything in it. Except that he provides no evidence to this act except for one set of scrolls written down based on an oral tradition of one relatively minor tribe of people. We're supposed to pray to him, but you can never determine if what you prayed for happened because he did it, or because it just randomly happened. Ok. Got it.
Now. There's this set of rules you have to follow. Now. Just like the other lack of evidence, there's no evidence that these rules come from God. They're just stuff someone wrote down and said come from God. Now. If you break those rules. Nothing will happen to you. God wont reveal himself by punishing you after all. Nope. He'll wait until you're dead and then toss you into this place called hell. Oh. Did I mention hell? Yet another place for which we have no evidence, but to which those who believe in God say we'll go if we are "bad".
There's also this place called "heaven", where you go (also conveniently enough after you die), if you are "good". There's no evidence of its existence either. How could there be? You only go to one place or another after you die, and we don't get to talk to people who've died, so it's all terribly convenient for the religous folks, isn't it?
Oh. And those rules? While they include some reasonable stuff about not killing eachother and stealing eachother's stuff, the most "important" rules are the ones saying you must worship God. After all, he apparently doesn't care what kind of person you are, he just wants to reward people who believe in him (again. with no proof at all).
Also, "worshiping" God often includes giving power to the priests of God. After all, they know best what God wants, right? They're priests! Worship also often includes tithes of money and/or time to the church. After all. It's not enough to be a good person, and to say you worship God. You've got to show it through some kind of sacrifice as well (give till it hurts baby!). How convenient that the same religions who are the only source telling you that God exists in the first place are the exact same organizations that benefit from your worship of God. Coincidence? I think not...
Look. If you want to believe that, you're welcome to. I'll tell you what though. I'll give God the exact same amount of active worhip as he shows me active signs that he exists. As long as he quitely runs things from wherever he hangs out, I'll quietly live my life the way I want to. If he likes what I'm doing, fine. If he doesn't, then it's his own damn fault for not actually giving someone something to believe in beyond the word of a bunch of obvious shysters. I have no problem with the belief, or lack of belief in the divine. I just have a real problem with organized religions, which are led by men and use faith as a yoke to keep people under their control. Until you realize that you can be a moral and "good" person without requiring the perission and head patting approval of some church, you will always be a slave.
But that's just my take on things. Believe what you want. I'm not particularly worried about my soul at all...
There's this guy. Let's call him "God". He creates the entire universe and everything in it. Except that he provides no evidence to this act except for one set of scrolls written down based on an oral tradition of one relatively minor tribe of people. We're supposed to pray to him, but you can never determine if what you prayed for happened because he did it, or because it just randomly happened. Ok. Got it.
Now. There's this set of rules you have to follow. Now. Just like the other lack of evidence, there's no evidence that these rules come from God. They're just stuff someone wrote down and said come from God. Now. If you break those rules. Nothing will happen to you. God wont reveal himself by punishing you after all. Nope. He'll wait until you're dead and then toss you into this place called hell. Oh. Did I mention hell? Yet another place for which we have no evidence, but to which those who believe in God say we'll go if we are "bad".
There's also this place called "heaven", where you go (also conveniently enough after you die), if you are "good". There's no evidence of its existence either. How could there be? You only go to one place or another after you die, and we don't get to talk to people who've died, so it's all terribly convenient for the religous folks, isn't it?
Oh. And those rules? While they include some reasonable stuff about not killing eachother and stealing eachother's stuff, the most "important" rules are the ones saying you must worship God. After all, he apparently doesn't care what kind of person you are, he just wants to reward people who believe in him (again. with no proof at all).
Also, "worshiping" God often includes giving power to the priests of God. After all, they know best what God wants, right? They're priests! Worship also often includes tithes of money and/or time to the church. After all. It's not enough to be a good person, and to say you worship God. You've got to show it through some kind of sacrifice as well (give till it hurts baby!). How convenient that the same religions who are the only source telling you that God exists in the first place are the exact same organizations that benefit from your worship of God. Coincidence? I think not...
Look. If you want to believe that, you're welcome to. I'll tell you what though. I'll give God the exact same amount of active worhip as he shows me active signs that he exists. As long as he quitely runs things from wherever he hangs out, I'll quietly live my life the way I want to. If he likes what I'm doing, fine. If he doesn't, then it's his own damn fault for not actually giving someone something to believe in beyond the word of a bunch of obvious shysters. I have no problem with the belief, or lack of belief in the divine. I just have a real problem with organized religions, which are led by men and use faith as a yoke to keep people under their control. Until you realize that you can be a moral and "good" person without requiring the perission and head patting approval of some church, you will always be a slave.
But that's just my take on things. Believe what you want. I'm not particularly worried about my soul at all...
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