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#1 Feb 24 2004 at 12:05 PM Rating: Good
Well, it appears it may all someday be a moot point now. The Shrub has taken Uncle D1ck's advice and decided to support a constitutional amendment. Time to brush up on the Amendment process.
#2 Feb 24 2004 at 12:10 PM Rating: Good
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It never ceases to amaze me that one man can be so short-sighted. Out of all the issues he could possibly address in vying for re-election in a time of great national stress, he picks THIS? This is almost as bad as focusing on additional missions to the moon. It'll never pass, but it still ticks me off.
#3 Feb 24 2004 at 12:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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Just in case you were wondering, this is how it is done.

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Article V of the Constitution provides two processes by which
amendments can be proposed and approved

Congress proposes amendments.
As is the case with the flag burning amendment, both houses of Congress approve by two-thirds votes a resolution calling for the amendment. The resolution does not require the president's signature. To become effective, the proposed amendment must then be "ratified" or approved by the legislatures of three-fourths of the states. Congress typically places a time limit of seven years for ratification by the states.


The states propose amendments.
The legislatures of two-thirds of the states vote to call for a convention at which constitutional amendments can be proposed. Amendments proposed by the convention would again require ratification by the legislatures of three-fourths of the states
#4 Feb 24 2004 at 12:24 PM Rating: Decent
It looks like Bush is worrying about a re-election and is struggling to stay above the water.
#5 Feb 24 2004 at 12:33 PM Rating: Good
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Just in case you were wondering, this is how it is done.

I'm just a bill, yes I'm only a bill...
#6 Feb 24 2004 at 12:44 PM Rating: Good
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It looks like Bush is worrying about a re-election and is struggling to stay above the water.


Thank you for that insightful addition to the discourse, sock-puppet, or troll, whichever you are.
#7 Feb 24 2004 at 12:50 PM Rating: Good
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I'm afraid he may be biting off more than he can chew with this one.

Even if I were vehemently opposed to homosexuals in general, which I'm not, or even more fired up about their desire for possible marriage, which I am also not, I would still say "no" to this line of Bush branded *********

Need to feel important ? Become a televangelist and brainwash your children.

Don't put this **** in our Constitution by adding your own brand of idiocy into our Amendments.

I think it will be interesting to see if some of the old school conservatives who view the Constitution as sacred, will see exactly how it will affect it as the "Law of the Land."
#8 Feb 24 2004 at 1:37 PM Rating: Decent
Actually he is doing exaclty what he should do and telling Americans how he feels about the issue and taking a political stand. He is backing the decision 38 states have already made. Now he is making the issue a federal case because the will of a FEW activist judges and elected officials are trying to over throw the decision that a majority of America has already stated they want and that is the sanctity of marriage as it has been. Did you not read the entire article where he says that states will still have the right to recognize civil unions.

As someone stated in another thread, Now is the time to discuss the issue. Though I believe an ammendment to the constitution will not pass, at least the issue is definitely on the front stage. Hell even Kerry does not support gay marriage and he is the Democratic Front runner.

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Kerry has said he supports civil unions and equal protection for homosexuals, but opposes marriage. He also said he believes it should be a state issue.


#9 Feb 24 2004 at 1:49 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm so happy that he's got nothing better to worry about than whether two gay people are getting married. Forget the deficit (thought Republicans were for LESS government -- oh wait, only when they're in the minority), Korea, a nearly jobless recovery, Iraq, civil liberty concerns, health care, the environment, the complete ******* of local governments (No Child Left Behind - here's some standards, find your own ******* money -- as a side note, I thought Republicans for were local control) Haliburton, and all of the other areas that he's completely screwed up on. Let's worry about gay marriage.

He is indeed the most worthless piece of **** we've EVER had in office. He's supplanted such quality Presidents as Carter and Warren G. Harding. The man is everything that the Republicans accused Bill Clinton of (another President I'm not too keen on) and more. He's lied to the American people (seems like Clinton was accused of that), and has been accused of helping his buddies get ***** us (Haliburton for Bush - Clinton being accused of providing favors for people he pardoned and for contributors).

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#10 Feb 24 2004 at 1:53 PM Rating: Good
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sanctity of marriage as it has been.
Was I asleep during history class? Is the Constitution now meant to protect the "sanctity" of certain concepts? Isn't that a function of church, not state?

Edited, Tue Feb 24 13:53:34 2004 by Atomicflea
#11 Feb 24 2004 at 1:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Though I believe an ammendment to the constitution will not pass, at least the issue is definitely on the front stage


Why the hell would an insignificant issue like gay marraige deserve to be on the front stage? Seriously. There are literally hundreds, if not thousands, of concerns that rate higher in the grand scheme of things than that. It's a political ploy, nothing more. He's not the only one doing it, but certainly he should be attending to other matters.

I realize the issue is titalating to the press, but it's a complete non-issue in my book. Worry about the important matters.

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#12 Feb 24 2004 at 1:58 PM Rating: Good
On the up side, we have some movement on Korea, it is a recovery, Iraq is free of Sadaam, the majority of the people really whining about civil liberties are the same that whined before the Patriot Act, seniors will get their drug coverage, there are now national standards for education, and Haliburton is being investigated. Those, and he's never perjured himself. :)

As for the environment, if I want to ride my snowmobile in the wilderness, ***** the tree-hugging hippies who wouldn't know a good time if it sat on their face and wiggled.
#13 Feb 24 2004 at 2:53 PM Rating: Good
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good for bush. I say this for two reasons. 1) If you've followed my views in any other threads this reason is evident. and more importantly to our country 2) It shows vigilante officials and judges in the country they can't do what they want despite what the people have said.

our judicial system is polluted anyhow..someone needs to put their foot down and put some process and justice back into our system..
#14 Feb 24 2004 at 3:49 PM Rating: Decent
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we have some movement on Korea


Great. We'll pay them off and then they'll keep making nukes. Great job!

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it is a recovery


Wall Street and the Dow Jones are happy, but they're not making any jobs. So, the good news is, that portfolios are up some, the bad news is that people can't contribute to a 401K because they don't have living wage jobs. I'm so happy that corporate executives are making millions and billions of dollars more and barely a portion of that is going to the people who actually make and fix things. GREAT!

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Iraq is free of Sadaam


But they've got us now. Those lucky devils. Out of the frying pan...

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the majority of the people really whining about civil liberties are the same that whined before the Patriot Act


Since you brought it up... I don't feel that we'll see the repercussions of the Patriot Act for a couple of years. The slow disintergration of our rights isn't going to happen overnight, but we're following the wrong track right now.

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seniors will get their drug coverage


Great, what about the rest of us? What about the obscene cost of prescription drugs? How about some incentives to work on real drugs with the same vigor that you work on hard-on pills? God bless you if you need viagra, but it's right up there in importance with gay marriage. How about curtailing advertising so that drug companies don't WASTE billions of dollars telling us about erection/allergy/heartburn pills? How about finding out exactly how a drug company can make 5 times the average profit than a typical Fortune 500 coupany?

Oh, and the Medicare Prescription Drug package is nothing more than a contribution to the coffers of those drug companies. Probably in response to all the contributions they've given to GWB.

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there are now national standards for education


You think that's a good thing? I don't. I don't know about you, but I'm for local control. I seem to recall that the Republican platform used to be based on that ideal. NCLB is simply a plan to destroy public schools. That's it. I'm going to assume you're one of the idiots that thinks that's a peachy keen idea. Because obviously the MARKET is the way to fix our educational system. We trust big companies like Enron, WorldCom and Global Crossing...

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Haliburton is being investigated


Curiously there's no investigation on how they got the billions of dollars of work... it's an investigation of their overcharging on gas.

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As for the environment, if I want to ride my snowmobile in the wilderness, ***** the tree-hugging hippies who wouldn't know a good time if it sat on their face and wiggled.


Obviously Looney ******* Gaylords such as yourselves are wholely worshipping a false idol. I don't see how any self-respecting Republican can look at what slapnuts in the Oval Office is doing and think it's great. Keep listening to your Rush and Hannity, to your Ann Coulter's (what a dumb ******* C-U-N-T she is), and keep telling yourself that "This is MY guy". I'm able to look at myself in the mirror and say I didn't vote for this ******** (I voted for Brown), that I didn't put this disgrace in office, and he's not MY president. He may be the President of the country that I live in, but a real President wouldn't hire a fascist like Ashcroft, make my kids pay his bills, and wouldn't be in Washington telling me how to run every facet of my life.

In parting, just because a guy is a Republican doesn't make him good. No more than just because a guy is a Democrat does it make him good. Or either bad for that matter. Wake up and watch what's going on instead of listening to the rose colored banter of a few mindless in-kind contributions to the Republicans (like for instance Rush "I'm for Personal Responsibility (except for me) and Privacy (only for me)) Limblab.

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#15 Feb 24 2004 at 3:57 PM Rating: Good
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Brown? Refresh my memory, Grady. Who's Brown? We're not talking about Carol Mosely Braun, are we? Or the Honorable Mayor Brown of Oakland? Algore wore brown-- in fact it's his favorite color. Is that who you're refering to?

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#16 Feb 24 2004 at 4:03 PM Rating: Good
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maybe charlie brown? o_O
#17 Feb 24 2004 at 4:05 PM Rating: Decent
a) I don't listen to conservative pundits, or read them. I listen almost exclusively to MPR for news, etc., and read our local paper (Saint Paul).

b) I happen to like the changes that are happening and most of those proposed.

As an alternative we would have who? Mr. "I wouldn't use the rainforest if cutting it down would save my mother from breast cancer" Gore? Mr. "I invented the internet" Gore? Or Mr. duller than **** democrat who would have done nothing effective when the recession that Clinton was ushering in hit Gore?
#18 Feb 24 2004 at 4:05 PM Rating: Good
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Who's Brown?


I'm brown!Smiley: yippee

I don't remember running, though.

Edited, Tue Feb 24 16:06:08 2004 by Atomicflea
#19 Feb 24 2004 at 4:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Harry Browne (forgot the "e"). Libertarian candidate in 2000.

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#20 Feb 24 2004 at 4:08 PM Rating: Good
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what SHADE of brown? typcial, dark or allakhazam border brown?
#21 Feb 24 2004 at 4:11 PM Rating: Good
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what SHADE of brown? typcial, dark or allakhazam border brown?
I'm about two milks in a Denny's cup of coffee brown.
#22 Feb 24 2004 at 4:18 PM Rating: Good
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Ahhh, that Browne. A symbolic yet ultimately empty gestured vote, eh?

;)

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#23 Feb 24 2004 at 4:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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James Brown has excellent qualifications for President. After all, he has been the "Ambassador of Soul" for more than 25 years.
#24 Feb 24 2004 at 4:37 PM Rating: Decent
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You know Totem, I don't look at it that way. The way I see it is that in the morning, when I turn on the news and see what GWB or Gore or CLinton has messed up, I can look myself in the mirror and honestly say I didn't support them or their flawed agendas. I know in the grand scheme of things that my vote didn't make a bit of difference, but it makes me feel better :P

But, that was then, and this is now. I'll give pretty much anyone a shot over our currently elected leadership. The Democrat who wins the nomination has my vote.

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#25 Feb 24 2004 at 4:40 PM Rating: Good
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Grimfar wrote:
James Brown has excellent qualifications for President. After all, he has been the "Ambassador of Soul" for more than 25 years.


Sorry, Grimfar. James is the Godfather of Soul. Although, technically, he is an ambassador too. Smiley: grin

Good God, y'all!!



Edited, Tue Feb 24 16:42:04 2004 by Tare
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#26 Feb 24 2004 at 4:51 PM Rating: Good
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The way I see it is that in the morning, when I turn on the news and see what GWB or Gore or CLinton has messed up, I can look myself in the mirror and honestly say I didn't support them or their flawed agendas.


wouldn't this also be considered turning a blind eye to a matter that needed fixing? sort of like me seeing a woman being raped in an alley, but turning and walking away and pretending I didnt see it to avoid confrontation?

personally I don't mind GWB. I didn't vote for him either, and he's not the brightest crayon in the pack, but we are crawling out of our recession and aren't a 3rd world country yet.
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