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#1 Feb 06 2004 at 8:34 PM Rating: Decent
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It doesn't seem to have made much of an impact on the national media, but down here around where it happened, it's pretty much all we talked about today.

http://www.tampatrib.com/MGAWIGCTBQD.html

I don't know why this particular incident is bothering me so much, but I feel incredibly saddened and enraged by this.

I'm sorry for bringing such a depressing story here, but I'm home alone with the kids and I keep thinking about how her family must feel. And I keep thinking about my daughter, and how helpless she would be...

Sorry, I just needed to say something to somebody about it, and you guys were it.
#2 Feb 06 2004 at 8:40 PM Rating: Decent
I read somewhere that the suspect could have possibly been at her friends house before the incident caught on tape.

What's up with that?!
#3 Feb 06 2004 at 8:59 PM Rating: Decent
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I caught a bit of that today, too, but not enough to make any sense out of it.

Most of the day we talked about what should be done to the dude.
#4REDACTED, Posted: Feb 06 2004 at 9:18 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) do you know her? do you know anyone who knew her? if not, why should you care? if so, your loss sucks, alot, but im afraid i just cant be bothered to care about a complete stranger.
#5 Feb 06 2004 at 9:49 PM Rating: Decent
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We were also talking about this at work today. I also kept thinking about what this poor girl went through, and how she must have felt.

Hippo, I'm sure you've heard this before, and I'm sure you'll hear it again: wait til you have kids, then you'll understand. Before I had any children, I could give a rat's *** about other kids dying. And even now, I don't get too bent out of shape over adults who get murdered. (Hell, a lot of them deserve it)

But when an 11 y/o is just walking home from school, minding her own business and gets snatched up by some horny freak with all his sexual wires crossed, yeah... it bothers me. And it bothers a lot of folks.

Really, this isn't a flame towards you. Just somewhat of an explanation of why ppl are talking about it.
#6 Feb 06 2004 at 11:41 PM Rating: Default
Honestly, I think parents of todays youth need to start stepping up to the plate and being more responsible. This girl was WALKING home from a friends house.

These are the same type of parents that let 11 year old girls wear low rider jeans with their thongs hanging out and their waist showing. 11 year olds cant comprehend the consequences involved with showing off thier "azzes" in public. Its the parents responsibility to bestow this onto their kids. And that starts with not allowing **** like this to happen. If the girl didnt have a dependable ride to and from this friends house, then she shouldnt go.... period. Its just sad that these things have to happen, and the underlying issues will still be overlooked while we kick the crap out of the man that abducted her.

I dont condone the acts of this man by any means, but on some level, the parents should be blamed for a part of this story.

Of course this is just my humble opinion.
#7 Feb 06 2004 at 11:53 PM Rating: Decent
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i dont know what sort of neighborhood she lived in, but i dont think its unreasonable to have a kid walk home from a friends house. chances are if the friend was close enough for her to walk it wasnt an unreasonable distance to allow an 11 year old to travel alone.
#8 Feb 06 2004 at 11:54 PM Rating: Decent
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many, many people died today


If you're talking about Moscow, yes that's nuts.

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i just cant be bothered to care about a complete stranger.


See, that's the thing. Once we see that video tape of her being kidnapped, she's no "stranger" anymore.


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i feel nothing for them


Spread the cheer, why don't ya? ;)
#9 Feb 07 2004 at 12:10 AM Rating: Default
Hey! How many of you walked to and from school growing up, and how many of you walked to a friends house not 2 blocks away?? There is nothing wrong with letting your children be kids, but its to the point that our world is too god damn soft to put these ******* out of their misery! We should have no second chances, fry them! Fry them all! We shouldnt have to be prisoners because ******* like that "slip" threw the system. Grow some God Damn balls and fight back! Damn! America is becoming france the III !
#10 Feb 07 2004 at 1:01 AM Rating: Good
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Except I bet the child abduction rate per capita in France the First is lower.

As for Hippo, we went over the same thing after 9/11. Either you feel empathy for others or you don't. If you don't, no one is going to "teach" you how to feel it and if you do, you're not going to be able to validate it to the people who say "S'what? I didn't know 'em." Trying to argue "why should you feel sorry for this guy being dead and not this guy here?" is a fool's errand.
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#11 Feb 07 2004 at 10:22 AM Rating: Default
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This is what happens when the criminal justice system is so wimpy that it lets a man with 17 crimes out of jail with barely a slap on the wirst.

Have you seen the gigantic database of KNOWN pedophiles? You probably live near one, we all do. Do you really think the little jail time they did cured them? And that is only the ones they know about, that HAVE been caught at least once or twice...

We have way more criminals on our streets than in our jails, and the criminal has more rights than the rest of us. Jails are full and no one wants to spend the money to build more.

Our kids don't have the freedom to "walk" anymore, until they are big enough to defend themselves against an adult (not that most women can defend against an adult male without a gun). You take them to school, wait until they get inside before leaving. You drive or walk them to a friends house half a block away. Better go with them to the park, the mall, etc. Way overprotective, but the bad guys are out there in force.

No one wants to deal with any of the consequences of the modern liberal society we have made for ourselves.
#12 Feb 07 2004 at 12:39 PM Rating: Decent
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but im afraid i just cant be bothered to care about a complete stranger.


It's not a stranger; it's not about whether we know her or not. It is an 11 year old girl we're talking about.

An innocent.

If you can't be bothered to care about the loss of an innocent, then I really fear for you, and for those around you.

If the loss of life has no impact on you, then it's possible you have the makings of a sociopath.

I really hope you're exhibiting nothing but a rebellious teen "I don't give a ****" attitude.
#13 Feb 07 2004 at 5:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Hippo's right.

10000 11 year olds will die this year, how many will you be saddened by?

Why is this girls death any more signifigant to the girl who dies in a car accident? Or the girl in Somalia who starves to death? Because there's videotape of the circumstances?

Grow up.
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#14 Feb 07 2004 at 5:29 PM Rating: Decent
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This is what happens when the criminal justice system is so wimpy that it lets a man with 17 crimes out of jail with barely a slap on the wirst.


He was Arrested thirteen times.

He was AQUITTED of the other attempted kindapping charge on his record. What is it you recomend, exactly, that we lock up everyone who's AQUITTED of a crime?

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Have you seen the gigantic database of KNOWN pedophiles? You probably live near one, we all do. Do you really think the little jail time they did cured them? And that is only the ones they know about, that HAVE been caught at least once or twice...


Yeah the KNOW pedophiles like the 17 year old boys who have sex with 15 year old girls. RUN! RUN!!! THE SKY IS FALLING!! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!

You know that children are 90, yes NINETY, times more likely to be sexually assaulted by family or a family freind than they are to be attacked by some imaginary sexual predator lurking in the bushes.

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We have way more criminals on our streets than in our jails, and the criminal has more rights than the rest of us. Jails are full and no one wants to spend the money to build more.


RUN!!! WE'RE OVERRUN WITH CRIMINALS!!! THERE'S ONE OVER THERE!!!


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Our kids don't have the freedom to "walk" anymore, until they are big enough to defend themselves against an adult (not that most women can defend against an adult male without a gun).


What the **** is wrong with you exactly? Is there some sort of "Irrational Alarmist Mushbrain Syndrome" I was unaware of?


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You take them to school, wait until they get inside before leaving. You drive or walk them to a friends house half a block away. Better go with them to the park, the mall, etc. Way overprotective, but the bad guys are out there in force.

Or you could say "Gee there's a 1 in 400,000,000 chance that a stranger will abduct my eleven year old on her way home from school" and go on with your life.

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No one wants to deal with any of the consequences of the modern liberal society we have made for ourselves.

Yeah it's the society that's changed, it's not the fact that 24/7 media coverage of crimes like this offers the less sharp among us the idea that it's no longer safe to let children walk the streets. That's it.

Edited, Sat Feb 7 17:29:43 2004 by Smasharoo
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#15 Feb 07 2004 at 6:38 PM Rating: Good
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I don't know what jury or judge would allow this man to be on the street.....

How about someone abducts angryhippo? How about someone senlessly murders him? Now I don't really want that to happen, or anyone, save UBL, but would he care more if it did? The real issue here is, how did this man get on the street? I say we don't let him slip thru again, and give him the death penalty (not joking...... time to teach him crime doesn't pay)



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#16 Feb 07 2004 at 7:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Iagree with you Smash that children are more likely to get hurt by people who know them.

After that I obviously disagree with almost everything you said.

Of course the man should not have been locked up for an acquittal, but he was convicted of enough crimes and should not be on the street.

You make the database of pedophiles sound likes its full of young teens attacking (or having sex with) younger teens. That is just not true.

If someone ever harms your child, no doubt the comfort of your statistics will make you feel better.
#17 Feb 07 2004 at 9:46 PM Rating: Good
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What was he convicted of? Do you even know without looking, or have you allready assumed that he was an evil mosnter freed by the corrupt system?

Just curious.
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#18 Feb 07 2004 at 10:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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The convictions were for theft and drug charges.
#19 Feb 08 2004 at 9:32 AM Rating: Good
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No one wants to deal with any of the consequences of the modern liberal society we have made for ourselves.



Our "modern liberal society" has a higher percentage of our population incarcerated than any other nation on earth. How much more restrictive and conservative would you like us to be?


Hmm... I guess we're not so liberal after all.
#20 Feb 08 2004 at 1:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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The difference between Carlie Brucia and the anonymous children starving to death or being killed in car accidents is the media coverage. So many people are taking this one hard because they'd been exposed to the case over and over during the past week. We've been shown the pictures, the family's pleas, the investigating officers, the suspect, and the abduction itself on camera.

I'm not usually bothered by world events. Terrorist attack overseas, car accident, mudslide, small plane crash. Minutes after the newscast has moved on from these stories, I've moved on too. But every once in a while something comes along that just sickens me for much longer than those few minutes.

"Missing child" stories go through pretty much the same motions. They don't typically differ from one another. This past week was no different.

We hear about the case, then the video is shown. An abduction actually caught on camera. The media will be all over this one. Initial reaction is "Good God, how can this happen?" ... It's only been a day or two, there's still hope. Next come the widely publicized press conferences with the investigators. The parents on national television pleading for their daughter's return. (I don't think I'll ever find it easy hearing from the parents in missing children cases.) The tips come in. Hope builds up, maybe she'll be another Elizabeth Smart. Meanwhile, we're exposed repeatedly to the surveillance video. "Do you recognize this person?" More pleas through press conferences. Talk of a suspect. Now they've put a name and face to him -- they even have him in custody. He's not talking, and though we still have hope, deep down we know his silence doesn't bode well for this 11 year old girl. It's a matter of time now, and Friday morning, there it is: The punch in the gut to those who've been following the case. Those lasting images were indeed the final moments of her life.

Why did this case get to me and so many others? The excessive media coverage? Seeing the parents' pleas? Seeing the abduction happen? The loss of an innocent child? The fact it could have been anyone in her place? Perhaps the combination of everything above. Who knows for sure.
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#21 Feb 08 2004 at 1:36 PM Rating: Decent
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This is what happens when the criminal justice system is so wimpy that it lets a man with 17 crimes out of jail with barely a slap on the wirst.


Our criminal justice system isn't wimpy. Just ask the pot smokers currently serving mandatory sentences.

It's interesting how we've set our priorities, isn't it?
#22 Feb 08 2004 at 2:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Seeing the abduction happen?


That's it right there. A picture is worth a thousand words. So 24 frames a second x ten seconds of compelling video= 240,000 words.

Or to be a little less obtuse, one thing you can see is much more entralling then many more things you only hear or read about.
#23 Feb 08 2004 at 5:55 PM Rating: Good
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The convictions were for theft and drug charges.

Right. So is the suggestion of the local alarmists REALLY to lock up drug addicts and shoplifters for life?

Or is just that they're so stunningly lazy they didn't even care what the convictions were for, they just wanted to hop on the bandwagon of people condeming "the system" which somehow failed to realize that of the millions of people with drug and theft convictions that this one guy was going to kill a child.

Pathetic.
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#24 Feb 08 2004 at 6:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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If someone ever harms your child, no doubt the comfort of your statistics will make you feel better.

If my child or any child for that matter is harmed, it's a terrible thing. What it's not is MORE terrible because there's good video of it happening. My child, your child, anyone's child is 100 times more likely to die in a car accident than to have somehting like this happen. Probably 1000 times more likely.

The point here is that you apparently want THIS ONE CHILDS DEATH to destroy the lives of MILLIONS of petty criminals who had nothing to do with it. Great idea.

What would ahve happened if he had no criminal record? Would we just arbitratily start locking up people who looked like him? Maybe we should just execute ten random people every time a child dies. Maybe THEN people will get the message and stop killing them. Maybe we should keep our children inside Lexan bubbles at all times and not ever let them leave the house.

Or maybe JUST MAYBE we should accept this for what it is, a freak occurance, sympathise with the family and go about our lives as if nothing signifigant has changed. Which it hasn't.
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#25 Feb 09 2004 at 9:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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LOL, Katie. Who's France the II? (I'm assuming France is the Original, the O.F.)
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