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Them gun bunnies are just helping those Muslims make their date with their 70 virgins. 'Glad to oblige.
RACK Apache pilots!
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That was a pretty empresive show of firepower! I saw a round they use in one of those guns on the apache, slug is about the size of a golf ball, shell a little smaller then a coke can.
I saw that clip last week, it's just amazing.
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we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
There are two miniguns that Apaches use, a 7.62 and a 20mm, By the fire rate I would say that is the 7.62. YES!!! That is so awsome!
Yay! More footage of us blowing the **** out of people! Why can't we get this on network TV?
Because you have to dig for these diamonds, buddy.
Totem
Totem
You know, I can't even bring myself to watch that clip. Sick ********
^Glad I'm not the only one.
And why can't we get more footage of the carnage after car & suicide bombings? More blood & guts, I say! Remind us what we're fighting for! Prime entertainment & oil!
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Personally I'd like to see/hear more of the intel used in setting up these ambushes. I'm not squeamish, but if I'm going to watch a video of men dieing I'd like to be sure it's for a sound military reason. I have a hard time feeling that way about most of the news coming out of Iraq. Sometimes they get lucky, sometime civilians die.
Glorifying this mission is crap it was an execution. Can't say whether it was warranted or not from the footage.
Glorifying this mission is crap it was an execution. Can't say whether it was warranted or not from the footage.
For those of you too squeamish to look upon such human "tragedy," allow me to provide a word picture and some context of what is occuring in the video.
The video is taken at night with the Apache's TADS FLIR system, which, for the uninitiated, is a slaved night/thermal optics system that allows the pilot and gunner to see heat "footprints" and look through some objects which are thin enough to get thermal signatures. In this particular case the men you see in the film are being recorded on the gun camera which is activated when the 30mm chain gun selector switch is depressed. The crew received information the three men were traversing an area off limits and were likely saboteurs. According to the ROE (rules of engagement) these men were now acceptable targets for the crew.
As the gunner begins to fire you see one of Iraqis pull something out from under his robe/coat-- which turns out later to be an RPG --and the bullets begin to rain down like Allah's wrath upon the evil Zionists. <rollseyes> The last Iraqi tries to hide under the rightmost truck, but his leg is sticking out and the FLIR can easily see that. The gunner zips him too even though he is obviously wounded to ensure he is no longer a threat.
This is what most soft and gentle hearted folk object to in this video, but unless you've been in combat you simply cannot understand the pragmatic and perfectly rational reasons behind such actions. Cops who have been shot at and killed a suspect are the only ones in civilian life who can empathise with such a decision and everyone else is just being a Monday morning quarterback who pompously thinks they could have done better had they been in charge.
Mathematically it looks like this:
Questionable activity + curfew + off limits terrain
Apache gunship = Death
or its' corollary:
Apache gunbunny > Iraqi insurgent
Any questions? Class dismissed.
Totem
The video is taken at night with the Apache's TADS FLIR system, which, for the uninitiated, is a slaved night/thermal optics system that allows the pilot and gunner to see heat "footprints" and look through some objects which are thin enough to get thermal signatures. In this particular case the men you see in the film are being recorded on the gun camera which is activated when the 30mm chain gun selector switch is depressed. The crew received information the three men were traversing an area off limits and were likely saboteurs. According to the ROE (rules of engagement) these men were now acceptable targets for the crew.
As the gunner begins to fire you see one of Iraqis pull something out from under his robe/coat-- which turns out later to be an RPG --and the bullets begin to rain down like Allah's wrath upon the evil Zionists. <rollseyes> The last Iraqi tries to hide under the rightmost truck, but his leg is sticking out and the FLIR can easily see that. The gunner zips him too even though he is obviously wounded to ensure he is no longer a threat.
This is what most soft and gentle hearted folk object to in this video, but unless you've been in combat you simply cannot understand the pragmatic and perfectly rational reasons behind such actions. Cops who have been shot at and killed a suspect are the only ones in civilian life who can empathise with such a decision and everyone else is just being a Monday morning quarterback who pompously thinks they could have done better had they been in charge.
Mathematically it looks like this:
Questionable activity + curfew + off limits terrain
Apache gunship = Death
or its' corollary:
Apache gunbunny > Iraqi insurgent
Any questions? Class dismissed.
Totem
For the full video showing what led to the "arab skinnies" getting "lit up", go here:
http://www.fileplanet.com/dl.aspx?/planetrainbowsix/atwar/GR/media/apache_mission_in_iraq.avi
You have to be a member of fileplanet, and probably wait about 4 minutes for your turn to download it, unless you are one of the suckers that pays for "instant" downloads there.
Basically that pick-up truck pulled up, one of the guys reaches in and pulls out a rocket launcher, runs over to the left side of the field behind some debris of some kind and drops it on the ground. The pilot asks the troops that are closer to confirm wether or not it is a weapon, they confirm, and give commands to shoot if they go near it again. Two of the "skinnies" run over to the weapon and troops not filming open fire, they are out of range so they order the apache to open fire. There must have been more munitions in the truck because a wounded "skinny" starts crawling over to the truck, the apache is notified about this and shoots the big truck he was hiding behind. Even more injured now, he continues to try to crawl to the pick-up truck, where they put him out of his misery by hitting the truck and him. Looked disturbing when I saw just totems link, but after I saw the whole thing, I understood why they opened fire, and why they didn't capture the wounded one for questioining. Apaches only have around 2 hours of fuel, he was close to death, and landing would have opened them up to an attack. Great range and accuracy on those Apaches. They panned out towards the end to make sure they wouldn't get shot as they turn away, and you get to see that they were pretty far away from the "skinnies"
So yeah, they wern't just shooting at some arabs sitting around by a truck chatting, having a good time. I don't care what country you're from, if you are running around with a rocket-launcher, you are probably up to no good.
Queen Skeet
http://www.fileplanet.com/dl.aspx?/planetrainbowsix/atwar/GR/media/apache_mission_in_iraq.avi
You have to be a member of fileplanet, and probably wait about 4 minutes for your turn to download it, unless you are one of the suckers that pays for "instant" downloads there.
Basically that pick-up truck pulled up, one of the guys reaches in and pulls out a rocket launcher, runs over to the left side of the field behind some debris of some kind and drops it on the ground. The pilot asks the troops that are closer to confirm wether or not it is a weapon, they confirm, and give commands to shoot if they go near it again. Two of the "skinnies" run over to the weapon and troops not filming open fire, they are out of range so they order the apache to open fire. There must have been more munitions in the truck because a wounded "skinny" starts crawling over to the truck, the apache is notified about this and shoots the big truck he was hiding behind. Even more injured now, he continues to try to crawl to the pick-up truck, where they put him out of his misery by hitting the truck and him. Looked disturbing when I saw just totems link, but after I saw the whole thing, I understood why they opened fire, and why they didn't capture the wounded one for questioining. Apaches only have around 2 hours of fuel, he was close to death, and landing would have opened them up to an attack. Great range and accuracy on those Apaches. They panned out towards the end to make sure they wouldn't get shot as they turn away, and you get to see that they were pretty far away from the "skinnies"
So yeah, they wern't just shooting at some arabs sitting around by a truck chatting, having a good time. I don't care what country you're from, if you are running around with a rocket-launcher, you are probably up to no good.
Queen Skeet
Skeet & Totem, I repsect your views.
I agree that the rules of engagement were followed, and the actions taken were neccessary. I don't claim to be any type of expert. I do appreciate our military, and know they need to keep a tight lid on things to keep safe.
My point is that going 'Woohoo, we killed us some gun-bunnies with our awesome technology' is in pretty poor taste. I know I don't appreciate the crowds of Iraqi's standing around the suicide bombing sites and cheering.
Should we be glorifying killing people? Let me know what you think. (/ducks and covers for incoming flames).
I agree that the rules of engagement were followed, and the actions taken were neccessary. I don't claim to be any type of expert. I do appreciate our military, and know they need to keep a tight lid on things to keep safe.
My point is that going 'Woohoo, we killed us some gun-bunnies with our awesome technology' is in pretty poor taste. I know I don't appreciate the crowds of Iraqi's standing around the suicide bombing sites and cheering.
Should we be glorifying killing people? Let me know what you think. (/ducks and covers for incoming flames).
Well perhaps all us white-collar cubicle dwellers feel the need ti live vicariously through others; the need for some kind of action in our dreary mundane lives leads us to glorify those who actively make a difference (one way or another). Or, maybe some of us are just juvenile, macho guys with a homoerotic fixation on guns and shooting people. Heh heh, I said ****!
Anyways, I wouldn't rank this among suicide bombing. There are rules of engagements for reasons; namely not to hurt innocent civilians. In most cases strikes (like this one) are carried out with extreme caution and precision, getting the clearest possible idea of intent and activity (ie, running around with RPGs) before engaging. Suicide bombing is the exact opposite; killing indiscriminately with no immediate justification to show disregard for the enemy, the citizens or any kind of order.
Of course, this could all simply be justification for cheering on our boys (I have family in the military, both active and retired) and showing my own disdain for these heathen scoundrels.
Anyways, I wouldn't rank this among suicide bombing. There are rules of engagements for reasons; namely not to hurt innocent civilians. In most cases strikes (like this one) are carried out with extreme caution and precision, getting the clearest possible idea of intent and activity (ie, running around with RPGs) before engaging. Suicide bombing is the exact opposite; killing indiscriminately with no immediate justification to show disregard for the enemy, the citizens or any kind of order.
Of course, this could all simply be justification for cheering on our boys (I have family in the military, both active and retired) and showing my own disdain for these heathen scoundrels.
btw, anyone manage to figure out the range of that encounter? My friend was wondering why the Iraqis didn't see or hear the Apache watching them; this encounter could easily have taken place from half a mile away. I haven't been able to make it out on the recording; all I can see is header and ammo.
There was a number above the compass that seemed to fluctuate accordingly when it switched to closer, or farther targets. The number was around 280. Wether that is meters or yards or what ever, I'm not sure. Yards seems a little bit much. Almost 3 football fields away doesn't seem too likely.
Queen Skeet
Queen Skeet
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There was a number above the compass that seemed to fluctuate accordingly when it switched to closer, or farther targets. The number was around 280. Wether that is meters or yards or what ever, I'm not sure. Yards seems a little bit much. Almost 3 football fields away doesn't seem too likely.
meter > yard
Edited, Mon Jan 19 23:33:41 2004 by Angry Hippo
My ***** > your *****.
Queen Skeet
Queen Skeet
The engagement took place at 400 meters.
The Apaches were likely in defilade behind either buildings or terrain which would mask the sound of the rotors.
As for me glorifying the snuffing of some A-rabs, well, I was a Cobra pilot for years, so the desire to feel the aircraft shake and shimmy when knocking down targets-- oooooh, gives me chill bumps.
Totem
The Apaches were likely in defilade behind either buildings or terrain which would mask the sound of the rotors.
As for me glorifying the snuffing of some A-rabs, well, I was a Cobra pilot for years, so the desire to feel the aircraft shake and shimmy when knocking down targets-- oooooh, gives me chill bumps.
Totem
The uppermost numbers is the direction, the lower right is the ammo count, and range (which in the vid fluctuates between 370 to 390 meters), the rest is various switchology symbols for the the target box (which shows the available azimuth and elevation for missle and rocket fire), FLIR, laser range finder, and which weapon is selected and its' status.
Just for comparative purposes, the Apache's switchology is 1.5 times more complex than an F-16, but the Commanche's will be 5 times more complex. It has the possibility of flooding the field commander with too much information, but the joint services are working on systems which pare and simplify incoming data so that the firehose is a more managable garden hose-like flow.
But c'mon, who of you didn't sprout wood seeing those Iraqis get sent to the Big Oasis in the Sky? If it were me flying, I'd have stalagtites hanging all over the cockpit.
Totem
Just for comparative purposes, the Apache's switchology is 1.5 times more complex than an F-16, but the Commanche's will be 5 times more complex. It has the possibility of flooding the field commander with too much information, but the joint services are working on systems which pare and simplify incoming data so that the firehose is a more managable garden hose-like flow.
But c'mon, who of you didn't sprout wood seeing those Iraqis get sent to the Big Oasis in the Sky? If it were me flying, I'd have stalagtites hanging all over the cockpit.
Totem
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I think the troops were totally justified in their actions...in my opinion right there it's kill or be killed
I showed it to my buddy who's in the Army, stationed at Fort Bragg in NC right now. He seemed pretty impressed with it.
By the way. How can you tell that those are Arab Skinnies? Just because it's recent so it's presumable that it must be them? Or you know what arab skinnies look like through that camera mode?
By the way. How can you tell that those are Arab Skinnies? Just because it's recent so it's presumable that it must be them? Or you know what arab skinnies look like through that camera mode?
Don't think you can tell ethnicity via those optics, but the actions were pretty sketchy. I wouldn't trust anyone who appears to be inconspicuously dumping heavy weaponry into a field, especially under the circumstances (militant-infested occupied zone).
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