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#1 Jan 18 2004 at 4:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Will Lord of the Rings do to epic battles what the Matrix did to action?

Now emideatly after the release of the first Matrix movie there was a large 'epidemic' if you will of just totally unbeliveble, craptacular fight scenes. Movies that with no justification defied the every rule of physics with no reason, other then they just wanted to one up the matrix, which was never done, the fight between Neo and Smith in the subway was the best done fight that will ever be.

Right after the matrix though, MI:2, The Medallion, Kill Bill, The One, and Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, thats just off the top of my head emerged, movies that just decided "Hey the matrix had people jumping 20 feet in the air and jumping off of walls, if we don't do it we won't be as cool" the problem is that not one of these movies did it well.

Now that Lord of the Rings is out will that be the standard, if you don't have 500,000 people going at it in your movies do you fail? We are already starting to see this trend with Troy. You don't have to have to create your entire battles on CGI because you have so many people you coulden't hire that many actors, some of the best battle scenes in the world have had 2000 or so people, Spartacus, Braveheart, The Last Samurai (Took me 5 diffrent trys to spell Samurai).

Yes RotK did it, and did it well, but if you send 1 million people to fight in a battle that only had 5,000 you will most definatly fail.

I had another thought, while watching Gladiator today I realized there hasent been one real 'Strategy' based RTS out there. I think Myth probibly came the closest. Every RST is who can build what the fastest. Who thinks a RTS based around the Spartans would do well? Instead of build build build, attack attack attack how about a RTS where you use terrain, use different formations depending on what you are up against, instead of building Barracks that produce a full grown soldier at the click of a button you build walls, set up ambushes, and lay traps.
#2 Jan 18 2004 at 8:10 AM Rating: Decent
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probably right Mren it is inevitable, lets hope that the make good films around the crappy mass battle scenes. But i think you missed the point with Crouching Tiger, the Hong Kong film industry have been making film like that for years, It was not influenced so much by The Matrix as 30 years of chop sokky films.
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#3 Jan 18 2004 at 8:18 PM Rating: Good
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Ohhhhhh! A query. I thought this was going to be a discussion about Angry Hippo and the upcoming new Fall lineup for television. Nevermind then...

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#4 Jan 18 2004 at 9:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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#6 Jan 18 2004 at 9:39 PM Rating: Decent
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No offense Mrens, but I think you're oversimplifying both the Matrix and RoTK. I will grant that a whole bunch of movies jumped on the craptacular effects (great description) bandwagon, but the original Matrix plot also had some merit (as opposed to the next two, ugh.)

Ultimately, while effects can have impact on the audience the first time, I hope that writing, acting, and directing will be the final determinators of quality. Just having massive CGI battles scenes shouldn't make a movie good (although increasingly gory violence seems to have worked for the movie industry).

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