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double post monster bit me in the ***

Edited, Wed Jan 14 16:32:13 2004 by tarv

not all that much really and they are used for promoting british industry and for diplomatic purposes so they pay for themselves in the long run

i think the royal family get about 20-30 million to spend per annum. and only direct reletives of the Queen get it now anyway.

I say Bravo to that! I work my *** off for the measly paycheck I bring home, while some people do absolutely nothing and get paid for it.

I hate black and white arguments. These issues are way to broad and complex for easy answers. We all know do nothings who can't keep jobs, who refuse to better themselves even by picking up a book. These people are sponges, yes. When you meet them, by all means, don't let the sponge off you. Idealogically it is easy to condemn them, but what have you done? Nothing.

Life isn't easy for anyone, and these people are by no means livin the good life off our taxes. I think you'll find that almost noone lives off of welfare anymore, with the exception of subsidized business. Clinton and the Republican controlled Congress passed welfare reforms which limits the amount of time people can be on unemployment. In most states, work for welfare reforms passed, along with new child support laws which take child support in arrears from fathers to pay back welfare.

I agree, the welfare system is fooked. But I think we all should be, in general, more compassionate to the lower class, because not all of them are sponges, many are poor people who work to support a family. Because someone is poor, doesn't mean they are lazy or inept. People make mistakes, especially when they are young. I know, I am 28 and make $350 a week.

I don't want your taxes anymore than you want to give them to me. But I resent that this administration slants the favor so much towards management side of business. The CEO clowns are getting very fat from our tax dollars, not the poor. I think you guys are misplacing your anger here. I believe that the free market is optimal. I believe that our government should have an interest in the business world. I believe that businesses need a reasonable about of regulation to curb abuse. Bush like to use the word "accountable" to schools, apply it to business as well. I also believe that these tax cuts on dividends reward people who make money by having money. People who get these cuts are there because of position, not ethics or because they are hard workers.

I look at my paychack and see a nice chunk taken from payroll and social security. I don't mind paying my share of taxes but I disagree with how it is spent. It makes me mad to no end that the oil companies are going to get $20B from the energy bill to find more oil. These people are some of the few that turned a very good profit during our last ressesion.

How much money are we spending in Iraq this year? If you truly believe that we invaded Iraq out of compassion of Iraqis, you are a fool. All this compassion for Iraqis, but none left over for American working class and poor. /Bonk. That war was started for financial reasons. As a rule of thumb, if the question is ever Why? the answer is money. Halliburtan, among others, is gettin rich over there, along with Worldcom, a business that alegedly fudged it's books and screwed all it's workers out of retirement. Worldcom is building a wireless network in Iraq, something for which it has zero experience.

We used to charge war profitters with treason.

This is a rich country, yet Ernie Fletcher, the governer of my state and the first Republican elected into that office in Kentucky for thirtysome years is planning to cut education. States are going bellyup, the feds are running huge deficits. We've been taught that all taxes are bad, which is rediculous. Bush tells us "It's your money" but neglects to mention that it's also our services that are being cut. I believe these guys are playing at Starve the Beast, aka Bankrupt the Government Because if We Were Honest and Admitted We Wanted to Get Rid of Social Security We'd be Thrown out of Office.

You smug middle class people out there, go ahead and support Bush for reelection and se what happens. When your primo job gets outsourced to India, when you are working a job like mine as a senior because there is no such thing as social security any more, give yourself a pat on the back.

Just my $18k a year opinion.

Hmm, Americans are know the world over for their obsession with size over quality, a trait that is considered vulgar and in poor taste.



You know what I hate more than anything? American food. It disgusts me, and was probably my least favourite part of living in the US when I was there.

First the obsession with size - restaurants seem to be judged by Americans on portion size above food quality. This is why so many Americans are disgustingly fat.

Second, why the **** do you freaks have to kill food with sauces to the extent that you can only taste the sauce?

Now I know you yanks consider British food to be bland, and I would agree that some of our more traditional food can be. But that is what food tastes like dammit! If your tongue was not desensitised by the disgusting, gloopy, artificial sauces you get smothered over everything, then you would have a more refined sense of taste.

Did you know that your groceries are genetically modified to be bigger? The first time I went grocery shopping, I couldn't for the life of me find any onions, I must have been looking for 10 mins. Do you know why I couldn't find them? They were the size of a freaking Britsh grapefruit. What I discovered though was this: an American onion may be three times the size as a British onion, but it has the same total amount of taste. In other words, 3 times less taste density.

And if you insist on a sauce, make it with proper ingredients rather than synthetic, mass produced crap.

Capito?

/applaud Meadros

That was probably one of the best responses I have seen on this thread so far, because it is all true. Of course the war in Iraq was started because of money, wars ALWAYS generate income and stimulates the economy. You don't believe me, take a look at the history books. Now, maby Bush didn't have that planned, maybe he just did it so that the Oil Barons could get richer (him included) but he did succeed in stimulating the economy enough that the repression we were in is almost over, well, in some areas.

Nicely done Pat.

/dutifully reaches for his ankles.

this coming from a country who's diet consists of cola , twinkies and jelly doughnuts?? it least we eat portions for 1 person not the entire Zulu nation when we sit down for dinner.

'would you like fries with that?'

umm what would u consider american food ?
other then junk food and other such crap most of the food we cook/eat in america is from other cultures.

First off, this is no black and white argument. You forgot the yellow, brown and red. I am including all races in my diatribe. And don’t kid yourself. Life is easy for lots of people. You refer to them over and over in your post.

Let me explain to you where I sit, sir, so that you, and any others here who are confused, will understand the context of my posts on these matters. I am a firm believer that civilization, in its current form, has done little more than insure that we as a race will meet our downfall quickly. We lack crucial gene pool thinning. The herd is grown too large. I believe some people are not meant to live. Some medical procedures should be withheld. I believe welfare is the crutch of generations of people.

Most of your post refers to business, it being evil, and politicians who support it being in some way responsible for the crucifixion of Christ. Trivia question for you. What does it take to make money? Too hard? Ok, how about this one. Who creates jobs? Not quite with me yet? Ok, where is the incentive for someone with money to create a job for you to have a paycheck to bring home to feed your kids and pay your rent? Is it the kindness of his heart? Is he a philanthropist? Absolutely not. The person is in it to make money. Why risk his hard earned money hiring your sorry *** when he could simply not hire you and sit on his cash? Tax cuts on dividends, to address one specific point of yours, are regressive. Taxes have already been paid on that money. You suggest that it doesn’t take hard work to get in a position of power. I suggest, sir, that with an attitude like that, it’s no wonder you are in your situation.

I am not even gonna touch your Iraq arguments. I am gonna let the NSA sniffers seek you out and “disappear you”. LOL



States are going belly up because of social programs. Christ, the state of Minnesota raised spending 4% on education and the sniveling, whining, pissin-n-moanin democrats in this state spent months calling is a cut to education because it was less than the 15% they wanted. I wish they would cut “services”. If they did that, we wouldn’t have the deficits we do today.



Call me smug, call me a ****, call me whatever you like. I will support the President of the United States of America. I like the direction the country is headed in. That’s me. I am a Republican. I lean so far to the right on some issues that Pat Buchannon has to make a special trip to see me. When my “Primo” job gets outsourced to India, I will do the same thing I did the last time that happened. Get another job, wait for the Indian my job got outsourced to to ***** it up, and get my old job back. As for my retirement? I will be just fine, thank you. Even if Social Security goes teets up.



And damn glad to have it here. :)

I'd consider a lot of steaks, chops, etc "American". Not that they don't eat a sirloin in Europe, but it's evocative of the American west. Then again, unless you slather your steak with steak sauce or something (in which case buy better steaks, you hobo) the sauce comment doesn't really apply.

I'd consider most fried foods to be American as well. Which you can call junk food, but people were frying chickens long before Col. Sanders started stuffing it in buckets.

On the other hand, I don't know where Patrician was eating on his US tour so maybe he just needs to find better eateries. I don't recall any exquisite dining experiences while I was in London but then again I stuck with pretty average joints for food.

I do agree about to portion sizes (not that I want to give up my Monster Burger, I just agree.. heh) and produce. It seems about the only way to get decent produce in this country is to grow it yourself. If you think onions are bad, try buying a tomato. Even if you grow it yourself, who knows what the evil scientists at Monsanto did to your packet of seeds?

No. They don't. That's the whole point. They can't quit the $8 an hour job or thier children starve. They can't borrow $200 from their parents to pay rent. They can't afford clothes for a job interview. They can't afford to go to community college or their kids don't eat.

It's not a level playing field.

Ok, what part of me making $100 a week didn't you see? I am poor. Granted, I don't have kids but that's because I'm not stupid enough to have them when I can't afford them. (ok, that and I'm a lesbian)

So tell me why should I pay these people to sit on their asses at home? If they have a job making $8 an hour (and are doing better than I am, in that case) that's all good and they are supporting themselves.

Perhaps you aren't getting my point. I don't have a problem with people who work for a living. I have a problem with people who can work, but choose not to.