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#1 Jan 12 2004 at 12:38 PM Rating: Good
It has been my experience recently to be dissapointed in the recent chart toppers.
Boy bands of admittedly good looking young men prancing about singing re-releases. PoP Idol 1 hit wonders and then TV stars trying desperately to break into song (when it is most amusing to see that most singers trying the reverse just like Madonna Smiley: laugh)

It struck me today, I am old. I am of the bygone generation. The has beens and whittled old dog eared generation that was once going to rule the world! We had Bananarama! We had VoX! We had the Human league, Duran Duran and dare I say .. Take That Smiley: bowdown All these wondrous bands that thrilled and touched us with their dances, song and utterly appalling haircuts. May the film 'The Wedding Singer' stay an eternal reminder of the time that once was Smiley: smile

So what has happened to this golden era of music? Is it all in my head. Am I just remembering the 80's and 90's as being of better quality music than today, or is it that so much of todays music is merely covers of said oldie songs? Am I old, decrepit and past my sell by date? Smiley: frown

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#2 Jan 12 2004 at 1:13 PM Rating: Good
Joe Strummer is dead, Danny Elfman is doing TV and movie soundtracks, Weir is beating the horse that is Jerry's memory in to the ground, Henry Rollins wants to be an actor, the experiment that was PE is now ended and Chuck D nothing more than a celebrity commentator, the Beastie Boys haven't had a decent album since Check Your Head and Mick Jagger is a knight of the realm. My brother and I sat watching John Meyer on SNL over Christmas, and simultaniously asked where originalty had gone. My father's generation had music that truly expressed the pain of an era. Buffalo Springfield, CSNY, The Dead, Country Joe. My cousins had music to express and era. DK, the Clash, the Sex Pistols. I had ******* nirvanna. Kurt Cobain was my generations Morrison? F*CK THAT!!! Rage breaks up. Sublime can't keep a lead singer off heroine. XTC can't get out of a bull-sh*t contract and R.E.M. records Shiney Happy People. There you go, folks. The decline of modern music in a nutshell. That f*cking song, and Eddie f*cking Brickell. Yeah, I know what you are too. Now, shut the F*CK up and sterilize yourself. I haven't bought anything "new" in 3 years. I am just filling holes. Robert Johnson and Frank Black in a checkout line gets some looks. :)
#3 Jan 12 2004 at 1:20 PM Rating: Good
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ill start this by saying that im 23


your calling the 80's oldies ? sheesh i always considered anything before the Beatles lead the british invasion as "oldies"

i agree however that mainstream music is ona downward spiral.

i dont hate rap and hip hop and the likes ( ok yes i do i wish they would all die and go to hell.. layers of hell not even satan would visit its so bad) i just dont understand how people could constantly listen to music that promotes the degridation of woman and promotion of violance along the lines of "f*ck the police". i dont understand why middle class kids wish they were black and living in the ghetto. and the excuse for the lyrics is "i just like the beat".

and covers.. /shutter. covers are fine but no one should ever be famous for doing covers. why should you make millions over a song dobi grey did ( mind you he also did it a million times better then you )(( refering to the cover of "Drift Away" for those of you who dont know Dobi Grey))

i dont understand because i hate this style of music im an ignorant racists closed minded person. however kids dont give my style of music 2 seconds of consideration. WTF!?

#4 Jan 12 2004 at 1:32 PM Rating: Good
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Robert Johnson and Frank Black in a checkout line gets some looks. :)


Saw Frank Black last year at a small club. He rules. Proof positive that the "oldies" not only have something to offer, but are innovative and just plain cool still today. The youth could learn a thing or two from ol' Frankie...
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#5 Jan 12 2004 at 1:42 PM Rating: Good
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Am I just remembering the 80's and 90's as being of better quality music than today


Not sure how old you are, Jennock, but I grew up in the 80s and therefore I have a ton of memories linked with that music. I listen to songs that make Merri (who is 11 years younger) cringe, but for me it pinpoints a place in time I will never see again.

I don't think the music was better, really. I think it was just different. And to be honest a lot of it downright sucked. Just like now.

I can't, no matter how hard I try, say that the music they play on the radio is any good. But there are still bands out there that are awesome. You just have to find them. =)

And yes, your sell by date is long gone, but then so is mine. =)
#6 Jan 12 2004 at 1:52 PM Rating: Decent
The death of music is Country. For every country album sold, an angel looses his wings. D*cksucking Chics, Shania ****, all of them can go to hell and die.

At least they will meet up with their dog that died, and not have to worry about losing their house, and their spouses leaving them, their tracter being stolen, tears in their beers, etc etc..

Skeet

#7 Jan 12 2004 at 2:13 PM Rating: Good
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I agree with Angua. Keep in mind, I'm talking about Top 40 style music that got radio play in the 80's since Jennock is talking (it seems) about the same today. You might have grooved on the Sugarcubes, but if Casey Casem never dedicated one of their songs to some little girl's grandmother, I don't want to hear it.

Keep in mind that the 80's had its share of manufactured teen stars and bands. Tiffany, Debbie Gibson, freakin' Menudo, man. It's hard to complain about today's youth listening to N'Sync when you have to admit your sister was playing Menudo during your formative years. Even much of the other stuff wasn't all that great. It was "good" and it's an instant nostolgia trip but was Tears for Fears that amazing? Men Without Hats? Dexy's Midnight Runners?

Don't get me wrong, I'll take a cut of Come on, Eileen any day of the week before something you'd find on the Top 40 stations today, but that's only because I grew up with it. I remember when an 80's format radio station started up a few years ago here. Granted, they were owned by ClearChannel so they had a playlist of about thirty songs, but really once the novelty of hearing One Night in Bangkok and Kyrie Eleison wore off after the fifth day, you got tired of it pretty fast.
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#8 Jan 12 2004 at 2:16 PM Rating: Good
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Come on, Eileen
oh i swear what i mean
at this moment you mean everything

you in that dress
my thoughts i confess
verge on dirty
of come on Eileen
#9 Jan 12 2004 at 2:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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And Eliott Smith went and offed himself.
I don't know, I think there is a lot of good music out there, some great rap and hip-hop, good neo-soul, electronica, etc, but I think that what is popular right now sucks. It's manufactured music, and that sucks whether it's Vanity or the Osmonds or the Partridges. Suck is timeless.
I also think it depends on what you look for in music. I don't want the same kind of music at work, or while relaxing, that I do in the club.
#10 Jan 12 2004 at 3:12 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't even know what's popular anymore, except the tidbits I see in Entertainment Weekly and Rolling Stone. I'm 26 and I generally only listen to those who were big before I was born (1977). I grew up as a kid in the 80s, hated the music. Remember Rick Astley? Cutting Crew? So much weird ****. I don't even like new stuff by the older guys: "Red White & Blue" by Skynyrd (one of my favorite bands) is just annoying. Don't care for Zevon's "Disorder in the House" or Springsteen's "The Rising". Give me old school Bruce, Billy Joel, the Allmans.
Just as in Hollywood, there are no new ideas anymore. They've all been used up; everything is now a remake or a resample.
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#11 Jan 12 2004 at 3:19 PM Rating: Good
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muddy waters invented electricity
les paul invented the electric guitar
rap just reinvented the pile of ****.


give me van the man and led zeppelin
give me dylan and hendrix
allman brothers, zevon
the doors and floyd
beatles and the stones
#12 Jan 12 2004 at 3:26 PM Rating: Good
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WTF? "Uptown Girl" rocks! Smiley: laugh
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#13 Jan 12 2004 at 6:51 PM Rating: Decent
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the 80's sucked just as much as the 90s and now, if not more.

Alice Cooper > all
#14 Jan 12 2004 at 10:00 PM Rating: Decent
Lol I listen to all sorts of stuff - mainly "old" stuff, 70's 80's types. We even got our daughter (she is 8) singing AC/DC, Aerosmith, and addidcted to Styx. We caught a Styx show on cable the other night, she was pi$$ed we made her go to bed before it was over.

You know you are old when Guns 'n Roses is being converted to elevator music.../sigh
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#15 Jan 13 2004 at 6:22 AM Rating: Good
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Joe Strummer is dead, Danny Elfman is doing TV and movie soundtracks, Weir is beating the horse that is Jerry's memory in to the ground, Henry Rollins wants to be an actor, the experiment that was PE is now ended and Chuck D nothing more than a celebrity commentator, the Beastie Boys haven't had a decent album since Check Your Head and Mick Jagger is a knight of the realm. My brother and I sat watching John Meyer on SNL over Christmas, and simultaniously asked where originalty had gone. My father's generation had music that truly expressed the pain of an era. Buffalo Springfield, CSNY, The Dead, Country Joe. My cousins had music to express and era. DK, the Clash, the Sex Pistols. I had @#%^ing nirvanna. Kurt Cobain was my generations Morrison? F*CK THAT!!! Rage breaks up. Sublime can't keep a lead singer off heroine. XTC can't get out of a bull-sh*t contract and R.E.M. records Shiney Happy People. There you go, folks. The decline of modern music in a nutshell. That f*cking song, and Eddie f*cking Brickell. Yeah, I know what you are too. Now, shut the F*CK up and sterilize yourself. I haven't bought anything "new" in 3 years. I am just filling holes. Robert Johnson and Frank Black in a checkout line gets some looks. :)


That was pretty Dennis f*cking Leary of you.

Mostly I'm just replacing stolen CD's.

Nothing new has really grabbed my ear other than Live.

Best. Band. Ever.
#16 Jan 13 2004 at 6:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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Oddly enough, I agree with Skeet. Country can go die somewhere and not ever be missed.

Other than that, I have very eclectic music tastes, so I'm probably not the best person to make judgement calls on music. Now CD covers, them I can comment on, 'cause I have design/layout credits on a published CD! yay.
#17 Jan 13 2004 at 6:38 AM Rating: Decent
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i think as a Def Leppard fan i should really stay out of this thread but while i agree music has been stale for a few years pop especially <*cough Pop Idol *cough> there are alot of old bands doing good New stuff and a couple of new bands bringing a fresh style

Red Hot Chilli Peppers has done 2 great albums in the last 3 years, Linkin Park are pretty good as are Korn <Darkness are pretty trashy though and they managed to out sell them both>

but if you want a pointer as to why Rock died for 15 years, can you name a new rock band between Nirvana and Limp Bisket?

kirt Corbaine i hate you and i am glad your dead! B*stard killed rock for an entire generation. Even worse you only managed too record 3 songs worth remembering your sorry *** for.

#18 Jan 13 2004 at 8:28 AM Rating: Good
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#19 Jan 13 2004 at 9:49 AM Rating: Good
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kirt Corbaine i hate you and i am glad your dead! B*stard killed rock for an entire generation. Even worse you only managed too record 3 songs worth remembering your sorry *** for.


WTF!?!
first off its Kurt Cobain. and contrary to popular belief he did not kill rock n roll. 80's chease hair metal killed rock n roll. Kurt Cobain invented grunge with his less is more mentality to guitar playing. He may not of written any rock anthems ( some may say "Smells like teen spirit" is and id agree) however he contributed more to the world then anyother band in the late 80's early 90's.


another band from the 90's that kicked royal a$$. Stone Temple Pilots. The DeLeo brothers are 2 incredible musicians and with Wieland frontmanning them it was an incredible team. its a shame he is such an addict i expected so much more from that band.
#20 Jan 13 2004 at 10:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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Stone Temple Pilots.

I had some very teen-deep moments to that band. And Pearl Jam, before they sucked. Also let's not forget the Smashing Pumpkins. Whenever I hear "Disarm" I still feel like crying, and not sure why. Very evocative.
#21 Jan 13 2004 at 10:55 AM Rating: Good
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80's chease hair metal killed rock n roll.


Agree 100%. In California we called it Glam Rock. Can you say Poison? LMAO

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Kurt Cobain invented grunge with his less is more mentality to guitar playing.


No offense, Murth, but Kurt Cobain didn't invent sh*t. He took punk, slowed it down and pussified it, made the lyrics less angry, more self-centered whininess and waited several years too long to enjoy the delicacy of cold blue steel (buckshot's a ***** to get out of the ceiling). Less is more? Bar chords in the key of E. Time honored tradition. That is all.

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He may not of written any rock anthems ( some may say "Smells like teen spirit" is and id agree) however he contributed more to the world then anyother band in the late 80's early 90's.


IMHO The Chili Peppers of the late 80's/early 90's contributed more to music than damn near anyone. Also, Metallica began to come in to its own around that time, even though damn near everything they did from black to now is sell out bull-sh*t.

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Thank you. He's a god. The only better compliment would have been Dennis Miller, but I have to get a LOT more esoteric for that. :)
#22 Jan 13 2004 at 11:13 AM Rating: Good
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metallica had allready peaked and began to die by the time nirvana came around. and no i wasnt giving kurt cobain much credit for being inventive. how can soemone be "inventive" by using less chordds and skill on the guitar? he just stylized grunge which only worked for them. grunge was overall crappy.

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Also let's not forget the Smashing Pumpkins. Whenever I hear "Disarm" I still feel like crying, and not sure why. Very evocative


yep i forgot them. disarm and various tracks from Infinite saddness made up about a year of my teanage life.

Disarm you with a smile
And leave you like they left me here
To wither in denial
The bitterness of one who's left alone
Ooh, the years burn
Ooh, the years burn, burn, burn

how very depressing. still i look back at the song fondly.

and yea ill agree with you the chili peppers brought a sh*tload to rock and roll.
#23 Jan 13 2004 at 11:42 AM Rating: Good
Reflection having gotten the better of me, I am reminded of a band that spent much of the 80's rising metiorically to the heights of fame and fortune on a simple principle. The music > all. At the pinnacle of success, they went away to make it all up again and came back something different, something strange to those who had loved them once. From Berlin recording sessions to Wal-Mart concert promotions, they took the envelope and obliterated it, causing some to wonder if they'd lost their damn minds. Once quoted as saying "sometimes you have to walk around the back to get the door opened.", the lead singer had taken "rock star"-dom and run with it. The last album, however, was something of a throwback. Mixing the band's new found polished stardom and its roots of a simple plan, it redeemed them in the eyes of quite a fiew fans, me included. Sentimental songs? Forget about Boys Don't Cry. I am moved to tears every time this line comes out of a speaker:

I don't believe in painted roses
Or bleeding hearts
While bullets rape the night of the merciful
I'll see you again
When the stars fall from the sky
And the moon has turned red
Over One Tree Hill

Christ, reading it now brings back too many damn memories. Here's to you, Tiny. Smiley: boozing
#24 Jan 13 2004 at 12:09 PM Rating: Decent
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however he contributed more to the world then anyother band in the late 80's early 90's.


yup your right as i ponted out i can't remember any other bands since the record companies dropped rock bands like hot potato's about the same time that Grunge fell apart. My sister was a senior sales exec from 89 - 02 with EMI in south africa and most Rock style acts where dropped due to the unpopularity of rock post Nivana.

how can you say he controbuted anything hell they only had 3 albums and two of them where utter drivel that only sold anything because of the name on the sleeve. Extreme where much the same Pornographiti was awesome but nothing they did after that was worth listening too.

if you want controbutions to music look at people with talent like stu hamm, Steve Vai , Joe Satriani ect. since most artist are influenced by the extreme talents and use the basics generated to form a more 'Pop' form. Jimi Hendrix is the most famous of these.
#25 Jan 13 2004 at 12:13 PM Rating: Good
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if you want controbutions to music look at people with talent like stu hamm, Steve Vai , Joe Satriani ect. since most artist are influenced by the extreme talents and use the basics generated to form a more 'Pop' form. Jimi Hendrix is the most famous of these.


I am just curious as to whether you are referring to Jimi as generating the 'Pop' form, or being one of the extreme talents (read "God reached down to touch his fingers and blessed the world with the creation of electric guitar as art form")?
#26 Jan 13 2004 at 12:17 PM Rating: Good
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to be picky the had 4 albums:
Bleach
Insesticide
Nevermind
In Utero

none of which was pure drivel.

and im just referring to the time period when grunge was around. if i were to be talking about all time greatest players you can read my other posts in this thread for who i feel is top of my list.
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