Known /brd Campaign bottersFollow

I rarely hear GM move character to check bots. If GM found someone is botting, they don't need to him to move him around the same map. They can just move them to the GM jail. There are known bots that move character in pre-defined path; that is how fish botters, fish, walk to the right NPC, sell the fish, and walk back to fishing spot and fish.

Interview to SE developers has said that the developers are aware of this problem. In the next VU, there will be sure something done to this.

Edited, Aug 11th 2008 6:31pm by scchan

First off, I'm a PS2 user and don't know a lot about windower and botting . I do know the basics and it sucks when doing end game and so on. I don't get the whole cheating thing over gear in game, but I guess that's why I'm so gimp. lol

Is there more of a beef with these three people besides someone "Botting" in a campaign?
I ask this because IF someone is "Botting" in Campaign........it doesnt steal claim, prevent you from "getting gear" etc and unlike the players who take their level 15 jobs into Besieged it doesnt contribute to lag because the /brd people are generaelly far from battle. If no, then obviously someone is just bitter about not being able to exploit the easy xp as nicely as the "Botters" can

I don't know the three players and I hope your not ruining someones reputation over something as lame as /brd in Campaign.

If you go by the honest/dishonest method then you need to get out of any endgame LS because I would bet all my gear that there are people using Windower. Even without the major cheat plugins like extended macro's and whatnot it's still against the user agreement. No idea if you use it, but if so then you fall into the dishonest.

Seriously, who cares if they get easy free xp? They're still not getting as much per hour as they could in a real party (most of the time)...granted with a bot you can theoretically go 24/7 except we all know you'll get booted from the server eventually. Anyone that's left mules up with a bazaar for any period of time can attest to that. They're not harming you or your gameplay in anyway and honestly, at times I'd exploit the easy xp once in a while (while watching a movie or something on the laptop) if not for the fact that I don't have the necessary jobs to do it.

If SE didn't make so many aspects of this game so ridiculously hard to achieve for the normal player, ie obtaining certain gear, then half these issues would be non-issue. Don't get me wrong, I love how hard some things are to do in game. I love the challenge. However I don't like the fact that to get any gear beyond basic stuff for my MNK or DRG requires more time then even I have (and I've had a lot of free time this summer). You're average player almost has to cheat to afford to do a lot of things, be it buying gil, botting or whatever. Doesn't make it right but if you don't often get to play for hours and hours on end and/or don't have access to certain zones and don't have the friends/LS to help you get there, you're more or less screwed.

Is botting OK in my book? Nope. But if they're not hurting my xp or claim then I don't really care and am not gonna worry about it when there's so much more in the game to spend my time thinking about. Now it's time for me to go get a bunch of /dnc people killed. /grin

Dude, most of use would rather be able to think that too. Hell, I'd like to see someone with 2+ relic weapons and think "good job" and not "How much did they spend on gil for those?"..however that's not how it works in online games like this. Sucks but it's the truth.

The reason for the "who cares" attitude isn't because we don't care (thereby making your attitude superior and moral(thats my word of the day lol))...that's right, parenthesis inside parenthesis...it's because at the end of the day, even if RMT/Botters get banned so many just come back that it's not worth getting worked up over. Report what you see and move on. Simple as that.

Hahaha... take a look at a current /cmap one day if you want a reason why /brd (botting or not) is a bad thing for everyone as a whole.

The beastmen don't get lazy and look for shortcuts to XP, etc.

It is a little more understanding for people below level 50 to do /BRD (even it is very very hard to argue that being /BRD is something of game design intent, and SE said they know about this). Below level 50 simply cannot contribute much apart of curing people.

I have more concern with thing like some level 60-70 job subbing BRD. You gain more exp for actually fighting, and for people who mix fighting or self buffing, that can sub a job like WHM or DNC or RDM so NIN so they can avoid taking damage or curing themselves (and Reraise for yourself if you are /WHM). So everyone is subbing sub optimal sub jobs, and had to rely on others if they die or take damage to satisfying their me-me-me greed. That is what I have the MOST problem with. It is nothing more lame to see a BLM74/BRD5 and walk around throwing random nukes and buff themselves with everyone dead on the ground. Of course, we do not deserve to be winning in Campaign if that is what people like to do.

About mobs too hard in Campaign, I do not know what you are doing, but I can even hit the regular grunts with a staff as SMN60. The grunts do not hit especially hard either (40-60 damage per hit damage is small for DDs and mages that are not geared for damage mitigation). Bosses do hit hard, I do acknowledge that. But a regular Campaign grunt is easily tankable by a 60-70 PLD or NIN if they know what they are doing. Yet I see NINs and DDs out there wear full time attacking gear and do not know how to control/avoid the damage taken by themselves. Scorpion Harness is not dead folks.

Anyway, we are losing in Campaign is a little more than people doing /BRD. It also includes mages rather melee when there are like 10 bodies around, people that can tank and do not tank, hide in a corner and ninja solo. And I also feel people underestimated the role of Ops in winning. The critical Ops include supplying resources and intercepting opponent transporters. Yet I feel everyone just want to repair the fortifications (with no outside areas, we do not get to do the suspicions object one :P)

Edited, Aug 13th 2008 1:42pm by scchan

/BRD or whatever, the biggest problem with Campaign is it has become official sanctioned I-do-whatever-I-want me-me-me playground. The intent of Campaign is good, but just like other game content, Square-Enix underestimated how bad players are. You cannot trust players to stick to the honor system and have self control.

Rather than thinking, "Hey, I cannot reraise or even cure myself or other as BLM/BRD, it makes no sense" They think "***** that, it is other people problem if they die" They didn't get "If the other guy die, you will die next" or "We will all get more exp and win the Campaign if you can keep yourself and other alive". What SE really need to add is to some form of "punishment" of keep losing Campaign. Be it like Besieged, that is the ultimate way to fix Campaign.


I bet a lot of those mages just hit attack and turn on the TV to watch soap opera and Beijing Olympics...

Edited, Aug 14th 2008 1:57am by scchan

I usually see only 3-4 people doing /BRD campaign. So even I am not a fan of /BRD campaign, I would not say that is the biggest problem why we are losing.

As a rant about tanking in Campaign... I tank a lot as THF or NIN in Campaign, but nothing worse to see a worthy PLD or NIN just hack the enemy I am attacking and do not help tanking the thing, or go grab another thing that they are capable of tanking and go tank it. But sometimes often mages take a lot of blame like that -- mages melee and go AFK, does not even try to enfeeble the enemy, feed TP to the mob (making the mob even harder to tank!), and letting whoever tanking to die. And that reinforces people that can tank not to tank, and let their lazy fingers to kick in and go melee and then do not pay attention to hope to grab some easy exp.

People who tried to do it right does earn more in Campaign, but people are who are being lazy out there are grabbing comparable amount. I know it is politically incorrect to say, but it reminds me "homeless" people that are begging as much money as people who get paid for doing real work.

Edited, Aug 14th 2008 2:21pm by scchan

The main problem I have is that eventually they're going to want to do something with those jobs outside of Campaign, and I might be there with them. I don't want to party with a level 75 who has absolutely no idea what they're doing or is really good at knowing the theory but can't apply the practice to save their (or my) life.

It wouldn't bother me at all if there was no chance of me interacting with them (and they don't by far simply hang out in towns, you can see them in lots of campaign areas, the smarter ones don't go near towns as it's easier to get caught), but things like that make me even more leary of using my orb first in something like a BCNM or KSNM or doing things with strangers, which is something you need to be able to overcome in an online gaming environment.

I agree with Anaxagoras. They annoy me when I see them, usually because they are in my way to the tag NPC. But I'm more concerned with when they are all of lvl sufficient to want to do other things with actual people and have no skill.

On a different note, I'm always more than willing to party up in a campaign. I'm usually pup/something so I can have my puppet set to cure party members. Or I'm 42sch since I am usually not in a party and I feel I can help more people with that job than my pup. While low i have some nice healing power...and raise:)

Just send me a /t.

-Phoenikas

All I know is that Bard Bowling is the best FFXI game ever.

And that's the problem that I initially had with Campaign.
I ran in, assuming that by tanking the mobs that I would be supported, and after dying over and over and sitting around waiting for raises and weakness, I just got tired of it.

I'd much rather /RDM and grab my own mob, then whoever wants can help me kill it, but if I can't solo it I don't grab it. It gets too discouraging dying so much and seeing multiple mages standing around not curing anyone.

The only thing I can say about the solo aspect is that if you are a BST or PUP you almost have to solo a lot of the time because so many morons think those jobs are of no use in parties. The day I got a random invite on BST without my flag up I looked out my window for flying pigs. Just because someone solo's a lot doesn't mean they can't do well in a party type atmosphere, however it could mean their gear is lacking. If I see one more BST in full AF in a campaign battle I'm gonna start mpk'ing them just because I can. What's one more death when I die 3-4 times a battle anyway.