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#27 Jun 10 2008 at 5:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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May be I should ask Obama to support a federal regulation to require computer users to install proper security, and force Microsoft to make their OS not "bootable" unless people do security updates


Lol, windows and macs and linux for that matter should have to have decent security developed for their OSs, so people don't have to spend money to buy them. I mean come on, we are paying 1-500 dollars for an OS, the least they can do is try to make them secure.

And lol at the not bootable windows if you aren't up to date.... 95% of Americans would not be able to use computers.... :). That would be hilarious!
#28 Jun 10 2008 at 6:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's very nice of you to admit you bot. >.o

No offense to people that I know are in end game, but it is just pure trash. And I have next to no respect for those types of people.


wow...... u base your respect off of the way someone plays their Video Game.............. sad part is by u saying something like this u make your self look more like the bad guy....

...Ok now let the Insults and D***sitting of my character begin!

Edited, Jun 9th 2008 9:41pm by Drakenmaster



Lets see...You cheat in a video game...how much more would it take you to I don't know? Steal from your work? Cheat on your significant other? ETC. And you think I'm going to respect someone that hacks their way to the top of a game and think your sooo cool?

Pffft. Keep dreaming. Keep dreaming.

Also, respect has to be earned to be respected.
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#29 Jun 10 2008 at 8:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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It's very nice of you to admit you bot. >.o

No offense to people that I know are in end game, but it is just pure trash. And I have next to no respect for those types of people.


wow...... u base your respect off of the way someone plays their Video Game.............. sad part is by u saying something like this u make your self look more like the bad guy....

...Ok now let the Insults and D***sitting of my character begin!

Edited, Jun 9th 2008 9:41pm by Drakenmaster



Lets see...You cheat in a video game...how much more would it take you to I don't know? Steal from your work? Cheat on your significant other? ETC. And you think I'm going to respect someone that hacks their way to the top of a game and think your sooo cool?

Pffft. Keep dreaming. Keep dreaming.

Also, respect has to be earned to be respected.


Green you hit it right on the head.

Cheating in a game is a sign of a behavioral pattern. That's a type of person that I avoid associating with, be it in this game, at work, or when I'm out in a social setting.

Draken, you're just not going to win, let it go.
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#30 Jun 10 2008 at 8:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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If I was stalking Drakenmaster I'd say something like "lolDrakenmaster". But I'm not, so I won't.
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If I was stalking Drakenmaster I'd say something like "lolDrakenmaster". But I'm not, so I won't.


I don't know why, but that made me laugh pretty hard.
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#32 Jun 10 2008 at 11:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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NCCoda wrote:
TheManKev wrote:
If I was stalking Drakenmaster I'd say something like "lolDrakenmaster". But I'm not, so I won't.


I don't know why, but that made me laugh pretty hard.


:D

Don't forget now... I used to stalk him, remember? (according to him)

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#33 Jun 10 2008 at 3:15 PM Rating: Excellent
I could care less if somebody cheats their **** off in a video game, honestly... if it's a single player game. If you like playing games like that on easy mode then you just go right ahead and knock yourself out. It's hacks and bots in online games that are really harmful, you're actually harming somebody else for your own selfish gain, and that's wrong no matter how you slice it.
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anax: i forgot to ask, but does bladesingers still exist? i noticed it was still in your (very classy looking) banner (with impressive credentials!).
#35 Jun 10 2008 at 3:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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anax: i forgot to ask, but does bladesingers still exist? i noticed it was still in your (very classy looking) banner (with impressive credentials!).


Sure does, go to http://bladesingers.us and E-mail the address on there if you want a pearl, I'll put in a good word for ya.
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#36Drakenmaster, Posted: Jun 10 2008 at 5:40 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Cheating in a video game has s*** to do with someones IRL Behavior, point example; Your best Friend ingame Could Bot and you wouldnt know, has happened to me and many people. They pay their monthly fees just like you so dont act like your better then them or they are lesser then u. Its not Like they stabbed someone and is a F***ing killer on the loose.
#37 Jun 10 2008 at 10:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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Oh noes, he played the "RL" card, classic.

I really like this guy, want to join my LS?
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#38 Jun 10 2008 at 11:21 PM Rating: Good
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Best thing is, noone except himself compared ingame behaviour to RL personality.

Defending botting in this game and saying it harms noone.... yeah man totally not bad at all. I see it now. You convinced me. Because the people who use it are nice people in RL. Makes sense now. Thank you.

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AnaxagorasZ wrote:
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anax: i forgot to ask, but does bladesingers still exist? i noticed it was still in your (very classy looking) banner (with impressive credentials!).


Sure does, go to http://bladesingers.us and E-mail the address on there if you want a pearl, I'll put in a good word for ya.


thanks anax. believe it or not, i'm still a member on the site. =) i'll drop a word there.
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i take that back. >.> my account on bladesingers is inactive. guess i'll do a quick re-registration. heh.
#41 Jun 11 2008 at 4:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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Oh noes, he played the "RL" card, classic.

I really like this guy, want to join my LS?


Oh yes, please do. Greenie needs someone to murder. =D
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#42 Jun 11 2008 at 8:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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This thread made me lol at work. srsly.
#43 Jun 11 2008 at 5:44 PM Rating: Default
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Best thing is, noone except himself compared ingame behaviour to RL personality


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Oh noes, he played the "RL" card, classic.

I really like this guy, want to join my LS?



Oh i was the first to compare, lets Reread post................ I mean cuz reading isnt hard....... i learned watching Reading Rainbow like everyone else.(Yes, another RL comparison)

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Lets see...You cheat in a video game...how much more would it take you to I don't know? Steal from your work? Cheat on your significant other? ETC. And you think I'm going to respect someone that hacks their way to the top of a game and think your sooo cool?

Pffft. Keep dreaming. Keep dreaming.

Also, respect has to be earned to be respected.




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Green you hit it right on the head.

Cheating in a game is a sign of a behavioral pattern. That's a type of person that I avoid associating with, be it in this game, at work, or when I'm out in a social setting.



Draken, you're just not going to win, let it go.










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Defending botting in this game and saying it harms noone.... yeah man totally not bad at all. I see it now. You convinced me. Because the people who use it are nice people in RL. Makes sense now. Thank you.


I seriously hope this isnt Sarcasm, cause if it is its irrelevant and you know it. Because if it is, means everyone on maurys old botting list were not cool people, cause i knew many people on that list, and i wasnt gonna lets that change my view of the person.

Just Never camped a NM with em. > .>

Please Explain to me how Botting a NM, HNM, Fishing/Synth, harms you.

And no i dont bot, i have always been a Xbox 360 player, Gamertag: Fir360s if you dont believe me.



Edited, Jun 11th 2008 9:57pm by Drakenmaster
#44 Jun 11 2008 at 6:38 PM Rating: Good
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Please Explain to me how Botting a NM, HNM, Fishing/Synth, harms you.


It's circumventing the game mechanics to give yourself an unfair advantage.

Now, I don't camp, so I could care less who bots and who doesn't, it's not my problem. You asked for an explanation, it's that simple.
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#45 Jun 11 2008 at 6:57 PM Rating: Decent
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It's circumventing the game mechanics to give yourself an unfair advantage.


It is written black and white in the ToS that anyone caught botting can be banned. SE is at least trying to enforce that rule (people do get banned). The spirit of the rule, is of course, to try to level the playing ground to be fair.

Sometimes there is no way even tell if a bot is there or not anymore. People brag they use bots just to bluff people away from camping HNM.



Edited, Jun 11th 2008 10:58pm by scchan
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#46 Jun 11 2008 at 7:10 PM Rating: Default
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Not really unfair if your good at claiming, ive beaten alot of bots at getting NMs.
Not Hard if you actually apply yourself, only few shells have tried and they have been successful but others give up to easy or dont try, so saying unfair advantage isnt gonna cut it.

Life isnt fair suck it up princess.

It isnt Illegal till u get caught. > .>

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It's circumventing the game mechanics to give yourself an unfair advantage.

Now, I don't camp, so I could care less who bots and who doesn't, it's not my problem. You asked for an explanation, it's that simple.


again..........

How does this harm you?.................

Edited, Jun 11th 2008 11:12pm by Drakenmaster
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It isnt Illegal till u get caught. > .>


Better live a life that you feel confident to walk around freely without fear, then to live in fear and shame. Sometimes pushing the rules to the extreme and create confrontations does not really benefit yourself -- a concept that a lot of people, even adults, do not understand. Neither a lot of people understand it is often better to share joy, and not the joy by being superior and masters of others.

I guess some people are raised differently in terms of respect and ethics. People only claim life is unfair is because they are spoiled with the advantage to begin with. I know this is a game, and I am playing with a lot of strangers. Just because they are strangers or an avatar that they do not deserve to be treated and respected as a human.

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How does this harm you?.................


Just because it does not harm you, it does not make it right.

I do agree something should be resolved more within the group involved. Cheating in the game does affect other -- people are bluffed away from camping those NMs, people do not enjoy the fun to camp such NM because of the drama it may stir.

It has nothing to do whether I know I can beat a bot. It has more to deal with I do not want to put up with a bot and knowing people next to you is going to do whatever it takes to win.

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#48 Jun 11 2008 at 9:05 PM Rating: Default
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Not everyone care about the pressure of SE rules, some people have the mind state of "Hey if i get Banned for botting, ***** it ill just pop in my Call Of duty 4 and have some fun on a different game..."


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It has nothing to do whether I know I can beat a bot. It has more to deal with I do not want to put up with a bot and knowing people next to you is going to do whatever it takes to win.


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Once that is done only thing in your way is 3 hours, Paying attention, and spamming your claim macro quick enough.

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Neither a lot of people understand it is often better to share joy, and not the joy by being superior and masters of others.


some people like to be superior, in a way we were made this way, you gotta fight to make it to the top, either way you put it, theres always a scenario in this game where anyone is your competition.

If everyone can have a Relic, or a ridill, it would defeat the purpose of making the item. Me as well as other people like to be the best but to be able to Be distinguished from other ppl by just observing rare gear that hardly no one has.

This in some people eyes is in a way is being superior.
If i monopolize something, guess what that is? ^

To those of you who worry about HNMLS monopolizing HNMS.
Do the Following:

-Get better at claiming

-Hop your A** on FFXI-app and buy a bot

-Or stfu and go to WoW



Edited, Jun 12th 2008 1:14am by Drakenmaster

Edited, Jun 12th 2008 1:18am by Drakenmaster
#49 Jun 11 2008 at 11:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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again..........

How does this harm you?.................


I, don't think I ever said it did. I was merely answering your question, but good try hero!

Edit: I bet this dude totally jacks my account tomorrow.

Edit 2: (Yeah yeah, it's late) In regards to your competition of other players. I don't compete against other players. I compete WITH other players, against monsters.

(But you did sound really cool with your ending statement there pal)


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#50 Jun 11 2008 at 11:45 PM Rating: Good
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First of all, i never directly accused you of botting Draken, i just can't understand why you defend botting in this game and say it can't harm anyone.

Shall i give a few examples?

1) The drops have changed, but not too long ago it was almost impossible to get O.Kote, Fuma Kyahan, Monster Signa, Thief's Knife etc, cause the NMs were camped by RMT bots Luckily SE changed the drops to Rare/Ex. Or the infamous botted Ulikummi spawns before his pop conditions were changed? How did this not harm normal players who wanted the respective equipment?

2) Botting Morbolger for the brown belt item. How did this not harm normal MNKs who wanted to finish the quest?

3) Choco digging bots. After a few digs, a zone is empty. Normal choco diggers have it much harder to dig anything up. Additionally, due to the bots the fatigue limit for digging was set to 100 or 200 i think - result: It now takes at least a year to get the highest digging rank. How did this not harm normal players?

4) The notorious fishing bots. You might not know this, but a zone can be fished empty too. After a while you can't catch anything anymore. You have no chance to pull up stuff as fast as the fishbots, or being able to select what you want to pull up exactly. Fishing Fatigue sucks too, after 200 fish you have to wait for next JP day to be able to fish again. This was implemented due to fishbots. How did this not harm the normal fishermen?

5) Pos-hacking mining bots in Ifrit's Cauldron, Mount Zhayolm, Halvung etc. Players were not being able to mine anything, cause the mining bots pos hacked from one mining point to another, leaving the normal miners who had to dodge aggro nothing at all. How did this not harm the normal players who wanted to mine for some money?

6) King Arthro is still botted for the Velocious belt. How does this not harm other players who want this belt?

7) Synthing bot. Obviously, you are NOT crafting. Obviously you are not trying to craft stuff and sell it for profit. Have you ever tried it? In many cases friends ask me to synth stuff for them, and most of the time (if they don't want signed stuff) i say: go to AH, it is cheaper than synthing it. in 90% of the cases, you make a loss if you NQ. Tell me, how do you want to compete with a crafting but that churns out Sole Sushi 24/7, getting its ingredients from other fishing bots. The crafting bot has no expenses, and they can synth all day. I bet you, you can't even stand synthing 2 hours or 3 hours, that stuff gets boring. So how does this not harm the normal crafters.

See, there are your examples that you wanted how botting harms me. Also notice that i didn't even get into HNM botting.

It is not about competition like you suspected, and not about being outclaimed. It is about being outclaimed by a bot, that stood afk at the other end of the zone, and suddenly came to life when the NM spawns, warps across the room and instant-claims. Yeah, totally fun, doesn't harm me. Nope.

Please just don't defend botting, because it doesn't harm you or because your friends bot/LS bots. Concerning your FFXIApp example: I had a friend who was in Whirling Wind who quit. He showed me a screenshot where he used some tool or plugin to remove the darters at Fafnir camp. I told him he's an @#%^ for botting. I was not: Oh you're cool and we chat over ICQ so it is ok you're botting. At least he had a bad conscience about it. No i didn't tell him to leave me alone, i still talked to him, and he is a cool guy in RL. But that doesn't mean i have to accept his botting. Yes, i don't repect people INGAME who bot or buy gil. For whatever reason.


"Drakenmaster" wrote:

If everyone can have a Relic, or a ridill, it would defeat the purpose of making the item. Me as well as other people like to be the best but to be able to Be distinguished from other ppl by just observing rare gear that hardly no one has.

This in some people eyes is in a way is being superior.
If i monopolize something, guess what that is? ^

Honestly, if you want to be proud because your LS botted a sword for you, that's cool. I am rather proud that i accomplished a lot in this game without the support of a big HNM LS.

I distinguish myself from others by having almost all quests in this game completed, have almost all maps, have some rare titles, have a craft at 100, i QUESTED Lu Shang (meaning i fished up 10,000 carps).

See, not for everyone in this game it is all about having the super pimp best equipment. If it is the way you enjoy your game, by meriting all day and camping HNM and getting nice and good drops from them, it is all well if you do that. I won't walk up to you and say: HNM camping is boring sh*t, meriting is boring, don't do it, all HNM campers are losers or whatever.
But please accept that my way of enjoying this game is not in doing endgame, meriting and HNM, and don't say stuff like you are superior to me or a better player cause your LS bots Fafnir or zergs Dynamis Lord in 12 nanoseconds.

Don't think you are better than the other player cause he doesn't have Adaman Hauberk or Crimson Cuisses. Respect others, and you get respected.

Long post indeed ^-^


Edited, Jun 12th 2008 9:50am by Choracco
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Sorry but this has turned into some major LOL!

Draken, sorry buddy, but you are a moron. Now I am really glad I denied your application from our linkshell a while back. I am usually one to give someone the benefit of the doubt, but with you, just ...no. Glad I went with my gut on that one.
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