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#1 Sep 11 2007 at 11:40 AM Rating: Decent
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I wonder if SE ever looks at all the BS that people to do each other in the game and wonders if they should "end it all". Of course, in this case, unlike the real world, the creator of the game can't stop the crappy stuff from happening simply by wiping out "the world", it would transpose itself into another game (ie WoW, not that it doesn't already happen there... I'm sure it does, would just be more people doing it in WoW than before). In any case, just posted this as food for thought.
#2 Sep 11 2007 at 11:55 AM Rating: Good
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What Internet worlds (not just FFXI, I have seen it in IRC channels when I am anime fansubber), "citizens" of the Internet world are not bound by tough civil rules, and often punishment is limited -- it is simply not feasible to enforce tough rules that will make the citizens feel the "rules."

SE, IRC network admin or even a Counter Strike server admin can really only kick a person off their network, it cannot stop that person from coming from another way, or put them in jail or whatever. The Internet is just too complex and anonymous.

So accountability over the Internet is all by honor system, and people tend to use games and internet as a place to go "alternate-ego" to relief RL stress... And we all know what happens next.

Honor system usually works ok for any internet world or life at the beginning. It is like Adam's Apple; the first guy broke the rule, and there is hell to pay.

It is human nature to be greedy, and someone is going to bow in to the temptation to break the rule to get ahead. Even Oliver Twist says "I want some more."

The only way to avoid annoyance of the Internet is not to use it >_< In RL, if someone is being a jerk or a sinner, he is going to have his **** kicked or got thrown into jail. That will never happen over the Internet. Even Interent fraud or child **** groups are very hard to catch.

Edited, Sep 11th 2007 3:56pm by scchan

Edited, Sep 11th 2007 3:57pm by scchan
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#3 Sep 13 2007 at 9:40 AM Rating: Good
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Some rogue GM could gain access to their billing address and go around kicking some 14 year olds ***** much like the ending of Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back. :O

Anyway... The internet will lead to the demise of social interaction as we know it.
#4 Sep 13 2007 at 10:06 AM Rating: Good
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Anyway... The internet will lead to the demise of social interaction as we know it.


The rise of modern telecommunications and information technology will make its mark when your grandchildren study "modern" history. I do not think a lot of people realize the scale of change is occurring. When I am still 5 years old, if there is emergency and urgent messages need to be sent, we still used "telegraph," and the first consumer cel phone does not appear until I am like 12 or 13.

When I am high school student, "modern history" is WWII and Cuban Missile Crisis.

My dad still does not like the concept of "chatting over the internet." :P

Edited, Sep 13th 2007 2:07pm by scchan
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#5REDACTED, Posted: Sep 15 2007 at 1:01 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) This is such a BS and uneducated mob comment.. As if social interaction was such a big thing to begin with.. because it did such wonders for human civilization like you know.. wars.. slavery and such... Its the same as jumping on the right comments regarding moral degradation in society. I'm sorry, but i just don't ever recall a time in the past when society was ever not morally retarded, maybe u can point that out, along with when social interaction was a big thing as well.
#6 Sep 15 2007 at 2:51 PM Rating: Good
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Sorry to turn on you Ama, I'm going to have to side with Jogiyat on this one. The internet is part of a grander scheme of things that delves its hands into most aspects of our lives and this concept has a name: Globalization. This, like many things, is a double-edged sword. It can further increase nations' interdependency (as in economics), help close culture gaps through availability of information (assisting in stifling, though never erradicating ignorance), and increase global communications so we can attain experiences with peoples around the world at our convenience. The other side of the blade, as it were, being the following: nations interdependent on each other can take down the whole global market if they fail to maintain their end (domino-effect), can further promote existing ethno-centrism to peoples who are already all negative in their view of foreign cultures, and make it easier to penetrate networks and attain vital information (secrets from the government or your credit card numbers for example).

I apologize for the text wall, but the basic conclusion is that someone tending to think on the positive side (in favor, generally, of our species' survival) like myself, and Jogiyat apparently (sorry Jogi if I'm putting words in your mouth), would disagree with Ama. I am not saying, however, that Ama is wrong. He just has another perspective.

I would like to point out that abrasive lagnuage (not to be confused with offensive or obscene) is not the most effective way to offer up a descenting argument though.

-edited for Typos >< -

Edited, Sep 15th 2007 6:52pm by MMKusanagi
#7 Sep 17 2007 at 12:27 PM Rating: Good
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I think it is wrong to assume globalization is a good thing. Ok... First off, I am not one of those people that will go to do those socialist protests and start chaos in Seattle and Hong Kong streets during WTO meeting.

If anything, enhanced communication and globalization has also increased noise to our brains and human conflict. There are more unproven rumors, more arguments.

The world may have been more advanced. We may know more, and we may eat better. But has our spiritual life gotten better? Are we happier now than the past? Or does being well informed and richer necessary make us happier?

I think I can show a red neck that works for a country side auto shop may actually a happier life than a 9-6 salary man in center of the Big Apple. Sometimes it is better to have less thing to worry. People even threatened to burn people at stake for arguing about the Earth roundness or Earth goes around the Sun.

The above is actually presented who study the sciences. If anything, I have learned that human behavior evolution has not been on par with human knowledge and productivity.
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#8 Sep 17 2007 at 1:50 PM Rating: Good
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Perhaps you didn't read my post fully Ama. I didn't assert that you were wrong, unlike what you apparently did to me. I merely stated that, though globalization can and does have negative consequences, it is generally a good (here comes the emphasis:) !!!!CONCEPT!!!! that if used to an appropriate extent can, indeed, have a positive impact towards our species' survival. However, I lack the data and professional expertise to definitively declare it as the path humanity must walk. It's just a belief, based on my perceptions, that the benefits of this concept, applied appropriately, seem to outweigh the risks.
#9 Sep 17 2007 at 10:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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I don't think S-E really cares what we do to each other, to get back to the OP's topic. Oh I'm sure an occasional GM wishes he could just whip out the bamstick when (s)he hears way too many complaints about camp stealing and the like; but I'm virtually positive S-E looks at this purely from a business standpoint. In other words, is a behavior bad enough to drive off enough subscribers that they begin to care? If not, it's allowed to continue; if so, S-E does something about it. Simple as that.

I have a lot of thoughts on what positives and negatives globalization can present to us, but I think this would turn into a small novel if I got into all of them :P

I will say two things however; first, globalization is very likely to happen whether good or bad. There's no denying it's the path the world is on, and will very likely continue down.

Second, Ama brought up a scenario (and quite a plausible one) of a redneck being happier than a 9-6 worker being in the middle of NYC. I feel it is valuable to remember, however, that evolution arguably requires we be challenged. History has taught us through endless examples that those who 'rest on their laurels' or cease to challenge themselves fail to evolve, adapt, and succeed. The city worker is arguably far more challenged than the redneck to adapt.

Not to say that globalization is for sure a good thing; evolution in the wrong direction will have results just as horrendous as no evolution at all. I was merely seeking to make the point that just because a relatively limited life brings us happiness does not mean it is, in fact, the lifestyle our civilization should pursue. There must be enrichment, whether happiness comes with it or not.
#10 Sep 18 2007 at 12:42 AM Rating: Default
Globalization isn't likely to happen.. it already has... I'm a south east asian who was born in Canada educated in the US and working for a multinational bank in Switzerland. Would this have been possible for me 20 years ago? Ama should know better being asian and all, the only reason he's able to turn Alla in to Ama's blog is simply because of the internet and globalization, otherwise both of us would probably be mending rice farms.

Are farmers and rednecks happier then the 9-5 chaps? Probably.. i mean ignorance is bliss after all. But why is that question so important anyways? Only a self-absorbed person would constantly be asking themselves, am I happy? I'm sure if they had to choose between being a redneck and who they are.. i would bet the house on who they are.

"If anything, enhanced communication and globalization has also increased noise to our brains and human conflict. There are more unproven rumors, more arguments."

By the way Ama, put up some facts against your statements, on a per capita basis, there is less conflict today then at any point in history. Noise is good, information is power, i'd rather have a misinformed human being sitting next to me then a completely uninformed one.

Edited, Sep 18th 2007 4:47am by jogiyat
#11 Sep 18 2007 at 2:38 AM Rating: Good
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I work 10am-6pm =( Those 9-5 people get all the god complex's!
#12 Sep 18 2007 at 4:13 AM Rating: Good
Well, I have never posted on Allakhazam, so if my post seems newbish,,well it is. Probably about the same status on my game play on our game. Maybe its my naive nature as being a redneck. Which brings me to my point on this post.
Why is it assumed that all rednecks are ignorant? I don't believe that is at all true. Less opportunity, very possible. Less intelligence,, highly doubt it. I guess as a person with a college education that chooses to live the simple life in rural Maine and work a menial job in a pizza shop, my idea of happiness is different then yours. Are you happier then me because you have more money then me? Are you happier then me because you drive a nicer car then me? I doubt it. And when it comes right down to intelligence,, who is going to survive longer "if" our technology turned on us and we suffer the consequences we all fear when our technology catches up to us?

I just feel like the simple life > rush rush rush of the city life. Maybe you enjoy that rush feeling, many people do. That's great. It takes all kinds to make the world go 'round. Ya, we need the city folk to keep all our great technological devices working properly, keep advancing the toys we all love to play with. All I ask, don't think because we don't make as much money as you, or the car you drive costs more then the house we live in, or the watch on your wrist is more costly then our tv's, that your life is superior to ours, and that we are ignorant to goings on of the world. Because ya, sometimes people actually choose to live the lifestyle.



Edited, Sep 18th 2007 8:23am by dirtyal
#13 Sep 18 2007 at 6:54 AM Rating: Good
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Second, Ama brought up a scenario (and quite a plausible one) of a redneck being happier than a 9-6 worker being in the middle of NYC. I feel it is valuable to remember, however, that evolution arguably requires we be challenged. History has taught us through endless examples that those who 'rest on their laurels' or cease to challenge themselves fail to evolve, adapt, and succeed. The city worker is arguably far more challenged than the redneck to adapt.

Not to say that globalization is for sure a good thing; evolution in the wrong direction will have results just as horrendous as no evolution at all. I was merely seeking to make the point that just because a relatively limited life brings us happiness does not mean it is, in fact, the lifestyle our civilization should pursue. There must be enrichment, whether happiness comes with it or not.


I think there is another way to say what I really have in mind, I really do not think globzlization is good for evolution. The biggest fallacy of human evolution and development is again human spiritually and ethics never matches up to development in knowledge. And I precieve that is the biggest threat to human future. At least back in Roman Empire, someone just got stabbed a spear. If Bush, Putin, or Hu Jintao suddenly go enraged mode (whether they are crazy enough already is another issue:P), they can kill 1/3 of the population on Earth in matter of minutes. Human impact to nature is also completely unprecedented, and that is all fueled by unethical and unsustainable use of technology. A simple country redneck probably would care less about what are the latest advancement in nuclear arms or pollution control, and himself unlikely would be the person to abuse technology (well let set aside about the emission of his 1970s Buick :P) But a NYC stock broker will probably obessed and concern only profit and efficieny above all, and forget that sustainable use technology of the companies which he help his client buys/sell is just as important.

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Perhaps you didn't read my post fully Ama. I didn't assert that you were wrong, unlike what you apparently did to me. I merely stated that, though globalization can and does have negative consequences, it is generally a good (here comes the emphasis:) !!!!CONCEPT!!!! that if used to an appropriate extent can, indeed, have a positive impact towards our species' survival. However, I lack the data and professional expertise to definitively declare it as the path humanity must walk. It's just a belief, based on my perceptions, that the benefits of this concept, applied appropriately, seem to outweigh the risks.


I think a lot of people still do not understand the true danger of globalization isnt globalization itself. The danger is within the human mind. So globalization can be perfect, but it is imperfect because of how humans are doing it.

It does not God, Jesus, or Allah to go divine mode, but the bible is right, the biggest danger to humans are humans themselves. Nearly all religion (or whatever divine theory you believe) ethics is all about rise about your own self for spiritual and ethical development.

God complex is bad thinking we are superman that we can change anything the way we want.

Just like in Vana'diel, people think they can do whatever they want.

"I want to get the ridill, use t3h botz in DA!"
"I want to have that HQ blah blah, click I-G-E ftw!"
All they are doing is killing Vana'diel.

It does not matter if GM goes god mode, we need to rise above ourselves for the greater good :3

What people are doing in Vana'diel is there any worse than RL :3 ?


Edited, Sep 18th 2007 10:56am by scchan
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#14 Sep 18 2007 at 9:26 AM Rating: Good
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The biggest fallacy of human ethics and sustainability is human greed knows no border. I am not promoting communism or whatever, but modern capitalism, globalism and economics work under the assumption is current profit and growth above all. The biggest failure of communism is that is basically runs against human nature.

I once overheard on the radio when I was driving. They is a presentation about ethical/sustainable investing. Ethical/sustainable investing are only investing on companies where it passes a certain standard in human rights, greenness, and international trade ethics. The argument against is that an investor, stock broker, fund manager job should be profit above all, bring maximize return the fund; intentionally holding back profits for values is as unethical to fund investors as it defeats the purpose of investing and growth.

In the end, humans are what matters the most, not money. If you ever watched Al Gore's movie, there is one place Al Gore shows a slide that some lobbyist has used -- a slide that try to weighs Earth with a bunch of gold. And Al Gore said "Hmmmm Earth... Gold...." I will let you choose:P

Sorry for going off topic >< I like such philosophical discussion even it has completely broken away from the topic.

Edited, Sep 18th 2007 1:27pm by scchan
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#15 Sep 18 2007 at 10:20 AM Rating: Good
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Just thought i'd point out that someone said Bush, Putin, et al can wipe out the 1/3 of the human population in minutes. Your facts are off, you may want to look into what America alone has for nuclear aresenal... it's sadly far scarier.
#16 Sep 18 2007 at 10:36 AM Rating: Good
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Just thought i'd point out that someone said Bush, Putin, et al can wipe out the 1/3 of the human population in minutes. Your facts are off, you may want to look into what America alone has for nuclear aresenal... it's sadly far scarier.


It was not intended to be precise :P Yes I am well aware that there are enough arms on Earth that can destroy Earth probably a few times.

But 1/3 or a multiple of times is just a number. Stalin said "A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic." A lot don't realize how fine and dangerous a game we are playing :P Oh if more than a few million did die (say by nuclear weapons or A Day After Tomorrow-- even a lot of that movie is really exaggerated), it is no longer a statistic, because they would be no one to count it.

Edited, Sep 18th 2007 2:37pm by scchan
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#17 Sep 18 2007 at 2:44 PM Rating: Good
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First off, my apologies to Dirtyal, ridiculing a self-described redneck was not my intent. I was using the dictionary definition which is an uneducated and rural laborer; it was merely for the purpose of argument. Clearly since you went to college, you don't fall into this designation anyway. Choosing a lifestyle is entirely different than never knowing anything else.

And second, in response to Ama, I was quite careful to point out that I was not arguing globalization was a good thing, nor the proper evolutionary direction. Personally I agree with you; I think we need far more advancement morally at the moment than we have been getting. However, again, we need influences and enrichment in order to accomplish said evolution.

Simply having a happy lifestyle is not enough if we must be ignorant to obtain it. A stereotypical redneck will not further human evolution at all, scientifically or morally, because of the lack of complex and challenging influences forcing them to adapt. They might be happy as a clam, but we must have the enrichment as well.

Edited, Sep 18th 2007 6:45pm by VhailorEmp
#18 Sep 18 2007 at 4:52 PM Rating: Good
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Forget God! We should all worship the wonderous creature known as Wobbuffet.
#19 Sep 19 2007 at 11:43 AM Rating: Decent
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Just thought I ought point out the logical fallacy that college means you are more intelligent. Intelligence is not quantifiable, so schooling, while necessary for a lot of careers, is kind of an oxymoron in a sense. While it does provide you more education, what makes one intelligent is not necessarily what he knows, it's how well he can apply the knowledge practically. There are many people throughout human history that prove this argument, people we consider wise and/or intelligent despite their lack of formal education.

That being said, base knowledge can go a long ways toward making an individual intelligent or wise by giving him the tools he needs to be able to apply his thoughts practically.
#20 Sep 19 2007 at 12:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Just thought I ought point out the logical fallacy that college means you are more intelligent. Intelligence is not quantifiable, so schooling, while necessary for a lot of careers, is kind of an oxymoron in a sense. While it does provide you more education, what makes one intelligent is not necessarily what he knows, it's how well he can apply the knowledge practically. There are many people throughout human history that prove this argument, people we consider wise and/or intelligent despite their lack of formal education.


I will certainly agree with that.

Did not our president go to Harvard for a MBA :P?

It does take some education to know a famous Stalin quote, but probably does not need Harvard education to grasp what that Stalin quote means ;).

Edited, Sep 19th 2007 4:14pm by scchan
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