Since it's inception Salvage has been greeted with lukewarm enthusiasm. It's not that it takes too much time (because there is a time cap), or that the gear from it is poor. So far as I know many end game LSs on the server just aren't running them on a regular basis and I'd like to open a discussion as to why.
Is it the difficulty or general lack of knowledge on about Salvage? Is it because there are other events that push it out of the way? Would people actually like to do Salvage on a regular basis but just don't want to organize it? I'd like your opinions about it because I find it somewhat mysterious as to why this particular event gets overlooked.
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Salvage is very popular among Japanese player. I am trying to get a Salvage LS.
I do not know why NA LS does not do them. People are lazy to do Assault :3?
I do not know why NA LS does not do them. People are lazy to do Assault :3?
Amanada (Cerberus-Retired) (aka MaiNoKen/Steven)
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
Just from my point of view :P
Me, Dw and Micheal WANT to do Salvage (We got tons of Assault points ready (more than 40k of points awaiting our decision)). But our problem lays out like this:
1) We were told that you can only choose one set.... ONE!?!..... I have 7 lvl 75 jobs (working on more) and choosing the ONE I want above others is tough. This is also Dw's problem. Why would we be tortured with nice sets that you can only choose one of.....?..... Is there truth to this rumor?
2) Assuming we finally choose the ONE we can get then we need to arrange a SP group. Hopefully one where there isn't 4 ppl wanting the same set ~ the best goal would be having 1 set being wanted by each person (and/or 2 ppl wanting the same set not to big but all 6 wanting the same one could be very problamatic...) I should put out there in small groups if at all possible.
Guess that's our problem.... We want to do it but we need more information as to whether or not the ONE set ONLY rumor is true and have to arrange a group where the mix of who wants which set is as even as possible.
Me, Dw and Micheal WANT to do Salvage (We got tons of Assault points ready (more than 40k of points awaiting our decision)). But our problem lays out like this:
1) We were told that you can only choose one set.... ONE!?!..... I have 7 lvl 75 jobs (working on more) and choosing the ONE I want above others is tough. This is also Dw's problem. Why would we be tortured with nice sets that you can only choose one of.....?..... Is there truth to this rumor?
2) Assuming we finally choose the ONE we can get then we need to arrange a SP group. Hopefully one where there isn't 4 ppl wanting the same set ~ the best goal would be having 1 set being wanted by each person (and/or 2 ppl wanting the same set not to big but all 6 wanting the same one could be very problamatic...) I should put out there in small groups if at all possible.
Guess that's our problem.... We want to do it but we need more information as to whether or not the ONE set ONLY rumor is true and have to arrange a group where the mix of who wants which set is as even as possible.
Pretty sure the one set rumor is just that... a rumor.
Some screenies have started to surface of players in the new Salvage gear and it looks pretty sweet! Of course, they are all JP... to Ama's point.
I'm interested in doing Salvage as well... but I think the *majority* of people don't want to get involved until it's more of a known commodity. People will stick with their old ways of gearing up end-game jobs for quite some time... until they see more and more come along with Salvage and hopefully future gears.
Maybe NAs should take baby steps and just do some Assaults to get warmed up first, hehe. I can't say I interact with many others who are Sergeant Major like myself.
Some screenies have started to surface of players in the new Salvage gear and it looks pretty sweet! Of course, they are all JP... to Ama's point.
I'm interested in doing Salvage as well... but I think the *majority* of people don't want to get involved until it's more of a known commodity. People will stick with their old ways of gearing up end-game jobs for quite some time... until they see more and more come along with Salvage and hopefully future gears.
Maybe NAs should take baby steps and just do some Assaults to get warmed up first, hehe. I can't say I interact with many others who are Sergeant Major like myself.
I am willing to take an active role in organizing a Salvage LS. Right now, I admit , is being quite passive. It is more I am being lazy or limited time then not willing to try or to die. Jelly and Vedder if you wish to get some ideas up, I will be willing to take up the task too.
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I remembered being part of the group first killing JoL and 2nd group taking down HQ Ouryu BC and Dynamis-Tavazia (Keisuke LS was the first group beating both HQ Ouryu and D-Tavaniza). I haven't done it since then, but the memory was sweet ;)
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I'm interested in doing Salvage as well... but I think the *majority* of people don't want to get involved until it's more of a known commodity. People will stick with their old ways of gearing up end-game jobs for quite some time... until they see more and more come along with Salvage and hopefully future gears.
I think the knowledge of Salvage are getting in quickly now. And I can even dig out information what monster drop what item or trigger to pop a NM that another item (like those Arrapago Cards etc).
A big part of older LS is that those LS are so time tight already, and is extremely inflexible to try new things. I will continue to propose and support the idea of event LSs that only devote to one type of game content, and disencourage those do-it-all LSs. Such organization is very inflexible, and also encourage friction among LS members when there are difference in LS priority or friendship with rivaling LSs.
Edited, Feb 20th 2007 3:38pm by scchan
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I remembered being part of the group first killing JoL and 2nd group taking down HQ Ouryu BC and Dynamis-Tavazia (Keisuke LS was the first group beating both HQ Ouryu and D-Tavaniza). I haven't done it since then, but the memory was sweet ;)
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I'm interested in doing Salvage as well... but I think the *majority* of people don't want to get involved until it's more of a known commodity. People will stick with their old ways of gearing up end-game jobs for quite some time... until they see more and more come along with Salvage and hopefully future gears.
I think the knowledge of Salvage are getting in quickly now. And I can even dig out information what monster drop what item or trigger to pop a NM that another item (like those Arrapago Cards etc).
A big part of older LS is that those LS are so time tight already, and is extremely inflexible to try new things. I will continue to propose and support the idea of event LSs that only devote to one type of game content, and disencourage those do-it-all LSs. Such organization is very inflexible, and also encourage friction among LS members when there are difference in LS priority or friendship with rivaling LSs.
Edited, Feb 20th 2007 3:38pm by scchan
Amanada (Cerberus-Retired) (aka MaiNoKen/Steven)
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
when you start 1 set you need to finish the set before starting the other one
that is true
so if yopu start Ares you need to get all pieces to started morigan (exemple)
that is true
so if yopu start Ares you need to get all pieces to started morigan (exemple)
Thanks for the info Rata :D~ it makes me so much more at ease since it would be terrible to have to only choose one... Was driving Dw and I crazy.
Ama I'll let Dw and Mike know about this post and you and Vedder see if they have other ideas for Salvage. I believe Dw wanted to start out small maybe a SP of 6 ppl and we'd have 5 w/ you and Vedder and one other that I think would want to come w/ us but we'd have to check. I'll repost tomorrow (or maybe later today) on this thread and let you know what my guys are thinking.
<3 Jen
Ama I'll let Dw and Mike know about this post and you and Vedder see if they have other ideas for Salvage. I believe Dw wanted to start out small maybe a SP of 6 ppl and we'd have 5 w/ you and Vedder and one other that I think would want to come w/ us but we'd have to check. I'll repost tomorrow (or maybe later today) on this thread and let you know what my guys are thinking.
<3 Jen
Oh one thing, before jumping in. There is a need to level hand-to-hand and have your hi-potion tanks for that. Bah thanks to my monk being level 8, my H2H is under level 30 haha.
Amanada (Cerberus-Retired) (aka MaiNoKen/Steven)
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
I support the concept of separate event LSs for different end-game activities... and I'd like to give Salvage a go, so if you can pull something together I'll give it a try. ^^
There are other good peeps in my LS that would like to give it a shot as well, but if you all want to go with a skeleton crew (6-8 members) first to get the hang of things, I'd be good with that too.
H2H on THF, 125 and rising. ^^
There are other good peeps in my LS that would like to give it a shot as well, but if you all want to go with a skeleton crew (6-8 members) first to get the hang of things, I'd be good with that too.
H2H on THF, 125 and rising. ^^
Spoke with Dw a lil during my lunch break ~ (eating while typing as we speak lol) he was thinking more along the lines of tops 12 ppl to start. That we should try to gear the Salvage Group to have 3-4 (4 being MAX) to a set ~ so that there aren't 10 ppl going for the same set out of the 12. :P (Since not everyone is so devoted to doing Assaults and we wouldn't want to setup a night and have 3-4 ppl saying they don't have points so the extra team would ensure our weekly continuation)
This will take a bit to arrange but perhaps between the five of us we could bring enough variety of sets in to make the full 12 players.
Currently my H2H is lil above 100 @_@;; Something I suppose we'll all have to work on for a lil bit before putting this into play. :D
I've been thinking that I'd like to start on the Nin set myself and I know Mike wants the Nin set (unless he changed his mind to the Blu set... I'll have to recheck with him). Dw still contemplating but I think he's leaning towards the Pld/War set.
I would think that there are at least 3-4 others that I know would likely join up on this endeavor but I will not speak for them until I message them tonight.
We currently have a dormant LS that we could use for this purpose.
This will take a bit to arrange but perhaps between the five of us we could bring enough variety of sets in to make the full 12 players.
Currently my H2H is lil above 100 @_@;; Something I suppose we'll all have to work on for a lil bit before putting this into play. :D
I've been thinking that I'd like to start on the Nin set myself and I know Mike wants the Nin set (unless he changed his mind to the Blu set... I'll have to recheck with him). Dw still contemplating but I think he's leaning towards the Pld/War set.
I would think that there are at least 3-4 others that I know would likely join up on this endeavor but I will not speak for them until I message them tonight.
We currently have a dormant LS that we could use for this purpose.
/em is back from getting the car fixed.
I think part of the reason I made this thread was just to see how many people would actually be interested in doing Salvage on the server, at least as Amanada points out, on the NA side.
I'm trying to get Salvage runs organized on my LS this week and am hopeing the turnout will be okay, but it is an LS that likes to do everything and frankly I have no idea if they'll want to as this will make an event happen every day of the week. In my mind I was toying with the idea of an all Salvage LS if it didn't work out. If you're going to up and form one already I'd like to be a part of it. It's not so much the gear that draws me to it. It's the fact that I missed the first generation of Dynamis and sky and sea and so on that got to do all the real adventuring and not reading a guide. I want to be one of the first explorers ;)
I still remeber when Amanada loaned me her Vermy cloak on my very first Dynamis run so I am ready willing and able to follow her to multiple deaths and beyond ;) I know you're good people.
Here is the kinda rule structure I was setting up for my LS and I thought I'd share:
First off, assuming this becomes an LS and a largish one, Assualts will have to be done to maintain an AP buffer. Probably 3 manning Golden Salvage a few times with a summoner or similar would do the trick. I also understand that some of the Corpral Assualts are easy for melee, but I'm only a Superior Private. However, if this becomes organized and big Assualts are going to have to be a part of it by nature.
For the drops we should encourage multiple runs by setting up a tiered lotting system. Only lot on boss drops if you have 2/3 of the armor you're trying to get as it seems boss drops will be the hardest to come by. Naturally if no one has 2/3 it goes to 1/3 and then 0/3. Next hardest are the NM drops and then the level 15 armor. So the order in which people get drops should go from easiest to hardest 15,35,25. It would also probably help to have a /seacom comment for what you're after so that no 'accidental' lotting takes place.
It would probably be best to hold off on doing boss runs for a while as well. From what I've read it seems that the time in each zone only allows for a straight run at the boss or a hitting NM's in the zone. I think it would be best to start out just farming 15 and 35 gear, allowing people to become familiar with how Salvage actually works and then attempt the bosses once people become efficient enough to make it to the boss with a good time buffer. Probably a good idea to designate which run is for NM farming and which is a boss run.
Also rotating which zone is done each time would be fair because there are different items that complete the armors in each zone that people will want (not to mention the cards).
I've got a few more ideas bouncing around in my head as well, but those can wait before this becomes a gigantic unreadable post ;).
Gimmie (Cania) a /tell in-game if ya wanna talk more about this or keep posting. Whatever is most convient.
I think part of the reason I made this thread was just to see how many people would actually be interested in doing Salvage on the server, at least as Amanada points out, on the NA side.
I'm trying to get Salvage runs organized on my LS this week and am hopeing the turnout will be okay, but it is an LS that likes to do everything and frankly I have no idea if they'll want to as this will make an event happen every day of the week. In my mind I was toying with the idea of an all Salvage LS if it didn't work out. If you're going to up and form one already I'd like to be a part of it. It's not so much the gear that draws me to it. It's the fact that I missed the first generation of Dynamis and sky and sea and so on that got to do all the real adventuring and not reading a guide. I want to be one of the first explorers ;)
I still remeber when Amanada loaned me her Vermy cloak on my very first Dynamis run so I am ready willing and able to follow her to multiple deaths and beyond ;) I know you're good people.
Here is the kinda rule structure I was setting up for my LS and I thought I'd share:
First off, assuming this becomes an LS and a largish one, Assualts will have to be done to maintain an AP buffer. Probably 3 manning Golden Salvage a few times with a summoner or similar would do the trick. I also understand that some of the Corpral Assualts are easy for melee, but I'm only a Superior Private. However, if this becomes organized and big Assualts are going to have to be a part of it by nature.
For the drops we should encourage multiple runs by setting up a tiered lotting system. Only lot on boss drops if you have 2/3 of the armor you're trying to get as it seems boss drops will be the hardest to come by. Naturally if no one has 2/3 it goes to 1/3 and then 0/3. Next hardest are the NM drops and then the level 15 armor. So the order in which people get drops should go from easiest to hardest 15,35,25. It would also probably help to have a /seacom comment for what you're after so that no 'accidental' lotting takes place.
It would probably be best to hold off on doing boss runs for a while as well. From what I've read it seems that the time in each zone only allows for a straight run at the boss or a hitting NM's in the zone. I think it would be best to start out just farming 15 and 35 gear, allowing people to become familiar with how Salvage actually works and then attempt the bosses once people become efficient enough to make it to the boss with a good time buffer. Probably a good idea to designate which run is for NM farming and which is a boss run.
Also rotating which zone is done each time would be fair because there are different items that complete the armors in each zone that people will want (not to mention the cards).
I've got a few more ideas bouncing around in my head as well, but those can wait before this becomes a gigantic unreadable post ;).
Gimmie (Cania) a /tell in-game if ya wanna talk more about this or keep posting. Whatever is most convient.
My limited experience with Salvage goes this way:
1) Lotting rights for cells are determined by only one "dictator" (group leader). He calls for certain jobs can lot the cells, no one argues, and no one except the jobs allowed to lot. Things are kept simple and in order. People who are not supposed to lot the cell are asked to pass right away.
-- lotting rights of melee weapons cells always goes to monks first, then tanks then other jobs. White Mages usually go last (I think).
-- lotting rights or ranged weapons cells always go to Rangers first and then Bards and then everyone else that can use a ranged weapon.
-- Silence removal always go to healers (WHM) first and then PLD or NINs and then other mages.
-- lotting rights for armour cells always goes to tanks first
-- lotting rights for JA limit removal cells always to people who tanks
The above is nothing more than common sense -- cells go to the person who can be of most use for the group at that time.
2) Lotting rights for the equipment are like in Dynamis. People enter with one item set chosen, and stick with it. Unlike Dynamis, I don't think you will get a free lot at for a forseeable future in Salvage (at least for next 1-1.5 year) -- nearly every item will have a person who wants it. So many DRG and BST AF2s are wasted in Dynamis >_>
3) At least 2-3 people that can use H2H are needed since no one at the beginning can use a weapon. Everyone needs at least 5-10 hipots, since everyone enter as being silenced. Save up your Assault Hipotion tanks now :3
1) Lotting rights for cells are determined by only one "dictator" (group leader). He calls for certain jobs can lot the cells, no one argues, and no one except the jobs allowed to lot. Things are kept simple and in order. People who are not supposed to lot the cell are asked to pass right away.
-- lotting rights of melee weapons cells always goes to monks first, then tanks then other jobs. White Mages usually go last (I think).
-- lotting rights or ranged weapons cells always go to Rangers first and then Bards and then everyone else that can use a ranged weapon.
-- Silence removal always go to healers (WHM) first and then PLD or NINs and then other mages.
-- lotting rights for armour cells always goes to tanks first
-- lotting rights for JA limit removal cells always to people who tanks
The above is nothing more than common sense -- cells go to the person who can be of most use for the group at that time.
2) Lotting rights for the equipment are like in Dynamis. People enter with one item set chosen, and stick with it. Unlike Dynamis, I don't think you will get a free lot at for a forseeable future in Salvage (at least for next 1-1.5 year) -- nearly every item will have a person who wants it. So many DRG and BST AF2s are wasted in Dynamis >_>
3) At least 2-3 people that can use H2H are needed since no one at the beginning can use a weapon. Everyone needs at least 5-10 hipots, since everyone enter as being silenced. Save up your Assault Hipotion tanks now :3
Amanada (Cerberus-Retired) (aka MaiNoKen/Steven)
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
I so gotta start working on my H2H ~ I heard that Drg's were great for this too ~ if they pop their wyverns prior to entering they are up inside. So having Drgs involved would also be great.
If this does get off the ground we should pick a specific night to be Salvage night.
I know I'll be starting on my next job to 75 this weekend ~ this whole week is set aside for meriting but perhaps I should spend a day to skill up H2H ; ;... Plus who knows which job I'll be going in with maybe wouldn't need it but always to be safe than sorry :).
If this does get off the ground we should pick a specific night to be Salvage night.
I know I'll be starting on my next job to 75 this weekend ~ this whole week is set aside for meriting but perhaps I should spend a day to skill up H2H ; ;... Plus who knows which job I'll be going in with maybe wouldn't need it but always to be safe than sorry :).
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I have done salvage a couple different times. And the only thing I would say there is no point in giving a Monk their weapons first. Monks should have capped h2h and can easily still do great damage w/o their weapon. However, any other job w/o h2h skill is useless.
My note on doing Assaults. I want to do them but I have come across people that aren't willing to do lower lvl missions to help you rank up. :(
My note on doing Assaults. I want to do them but I have come across people that aren't willing to do lower lvl missions to help you rank up. :(
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My note on doing Assaults. I want to do them but I have come across people that aren't willing to do lower lvl missions to help you rank up. :(
I had been guilty of that in that past. Partially, I hate to say, is some really low rank assault is quite frustrating -- especially Imperial Agent Rescue ><. Others are actually not too bad, but after I had done like 25 Excavation Duty, it does get old ><.
If someone needs specific missions, I can help. I really encourage people that needs less desired missions to get done and be done with it. Do remember, you can do 5 different new assault or 25 same one to rank up. In fact, I used to rank up doing Lamia 13 and Excavation Duty over and over again -- partially because I have item I want from that area. By the time you are Corporal, things will get so much easier. Ones like buying sheep and escorting ratman divers are so easy and quick, and you never need to look back.
At this stage of ToAU, if one still wants to do Imperial Agent Rescue, I think one got something to work on.
Amanada (Cerberus-Retired) (aka MaiNoKen/Steven)
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
Well I ran a Zhayolm Remnants run on Mardi Gras which actually suprised me as I was competing with the usual lack of people online after maintinence, a Fafnir camp, and the Bahamut BCNMs. 1 WHM (me), 2 PLD, 1 WAR, 1 BST, 3 BLM not the best setup ever, but everyone wasn't expecting miracles we were just exploring. The WAR was the only one with H2H and it wasn't capped so we spent a ton of time at the begining hammering away at Puks.
What suprised me most was how easy the mobs were compared to Bhauflau. The only big issue were the Puk's AoE knockback and the Zik's petrify. Neither couldn't be delt with by thinking ahead. The rooms are relatily easy to pull from and the early mobs have don't nasty effects like spikes. The problem is that drops are signifgantly lower. It took us about half an hour just to get weapons and magic unlocked. Lack of early DD really did kill us for time, simply because while they are easy to kill, you have to kill lots of them. On this point I have to say that monks really don't need weapons first as they are one of the few classes that can actually do damage. We gave out PLDs weapons first, any weapon on the first couple floors is huge DD.
I mention this because someone said it earlier. A farming group of six, at least in Zhayolm would be infeffective even with a couple monks doing H2H for the simple reason that there aren't any known mobs that drop armors until the third floor. Even with an ideal small party setup the drop rates on cells are just too poor to get you out of the lower floors with enough effiecent armor farming time. To make it worth the time you almost litterally have to be running through the first floor killing mobs, something that a group of 12 would be better suited to accomplish.
Assualt has been tricky for me. I was recently part of a group that's been doing each of the five missions to each rank twice a week, but RL interviened and I've missed enough that I'm too far behind the main group. So I have AP now but clueless as to how to get it later. Yay SP Wildcat badge... :p I've attempted running Golden Salvge with my summoner sub and the 'feed carby to the mimics trick' I haven't quite got the hang of it. Half the time Carby gets eaten and half the time I get eaten which means I fail the mission 100% of the time. It is however the best early way to make AP as it is both quick and can be 3 manned (with only one person doing the work) for more AP. If anyone wants to show me the proper way to work the trick, I'd be grateful ;) Or if anyone that wants to do it reguarly and needs a warm body to enter the mission, I'll donate.
By the way I'll be reasearching and running a Silver Seas Salvage this Friday @4pm pst / 7pm est for my LS. I doubt very much that I'll get a full alliance going, so if any of you want to join I'll just say I have a couple friends that want to help ;). I'm going on a tour of the known NMs in the zone for 15/35 gears. Thankfully there is a growing body of info on Silver Seas. As much as I am into the spirit of discovery, I'm also smart enought to know you don't go anywhere unprepared.
Edited, Feb 22nd 2007 12:05am by TRexar
What suprised me most was how easy the mobs were compared to Bhauflau. The only big issue were the Puk's AoE knockback and the Zik's petrify. Neither couldn't be delt with by thinking ahead. The rooms are relatily easy to pull from and the early mobs have don't nasty effects like spikes. The problem is that drops are signifgantly lower. It took us about half an hour just to get weapons and magic unlocked. Lack of early DD really did kill us for time, simply because while they are easy to kill, you have to kill lots of them. On this point I have to say that monks really don't need weapons first as they are one of the few classes that can actually do damage. We gave out PLDs weapons first, any weapon on the first couple floors is huge DD.
I mention this because someone said it earlier. A farming group of six, at least in Zhayolm would be infeffective even with a couple monks doing H2H for the simple reason that there aren't any known mobs that drop armors until the third floor. Even with an ideal small party setup the drop rates on cells are just too poor to get you out of the lower floors with enough effiecent armor farming time. To make it worth the time you almost litterally have to be running through the first floor killing mobs, something that a group of 12 would be better suited to accomplish.
Assualt has been tricky for me. I was recently part of a group that's been doing each of the five missions to each rank twice a week, but RL interviened and I've missed enough that I'm too far behind the main group. So I have AP now but clueless as to how to get it later. Yay SP Wildcat badge... :p I've attempted running Golden Salvge with my summoner sub and the 'feed carby to the mimics trick' I haven't quite got the hang of it. Half the time Carby gets eaten and half the time I get eaten which means I fail the mission 100% of the time. It is however the best early way to make AP as it is both quick and can be 3 manned (with only one person doing the work) for more AP. If anyone wants to show me the proper way to work the trick, I'd be grateful ;) Or if anyone that wants to do it reguarly and needs a warm body to enter the mission, I'll donate.
By the way I'll be reasearching and running a Silver Seas Salvage this Friday @4pm pst / 7pm est for my LS. I doubt very much that I'll get a full alliance going, so if any of you want to join I'll just say I have a couple friends that want to help ;). I'm going on a tour of the known NMs in the zone for 15/35 gears. Thankfully there is a growing body of info on Silver Seas. As much as I am into the spirit of discovery, I'm also smart enought to know you don't go anywhere unprepared.
Edited, Feb 22nd 2007 12:05am by TRexar
I'll check w/ my guys tonight to see if they'd wanna try a test run tomorrow Cania ~ I'll send you a tell to let you know :)
I should be able to come Friday evening too if you do not mind I jump in.
Amanada (Cerberus-Retired) (aka MaiNoKen/Steven)
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
I've got my plan all written out and ready. There are a few details that will need to be ironed out as we move along but I think we have a good chance of killing all the (known) NMs.
Things to know about Silver Seas (I'll repeat this to the alliance). We're fighting mostly formor and imps. The entire first floor is formor. Therefore unlike the other zones not everyone should melee at the start. Only those with H2H, a wryven, or weapons as we unlock them should melee. The formor drown AoE will be too much to deal with until enough White magic is unlocked. This being said melee should bring at least 3 regen drinks.
I will take it upon myself to call out who gets which cells, this being the biggest pain that no one wants ;). We will be pulling from the rooms into the halls to avoid sound/blood aggro from the formor. I will designate who pulls as cells are unlocked. Also depending on who has which cells I will designate a person to run ahead of the allince to the teleporter or stay behind with a teleporter. This is to avoid undue aggro and save time.
Can't think of anything else at the moment but I will go over all the finer points before we enter Silver Seas.
Things to know about Silver Seas (I'll repeat this to the alliance). We're fighting mostly formor and imps. The entire first floor is formor. Therefore unlike the other zones not everyone should melee at the start. Only those with H2H, a wryven, or weapons as we unlock them should melee. The formor drown AoE will be too much to deal with until enough White magic is unlocked. This being said melee should bring at least 3 regen drinks.
I will take it upon myself to call out who gets which cells, this being the biggest pain that no one wants ;). We will be pulling from the rooms into the halls to avoid sound/blood aggro from the formor. I will designate who pulls as cells are unlocked. Also depending on who has which cells I will designate a person to run ahead of the allince to the teleporter or stay behind with a teleporter. This is to avoid undue aggro and save time.
Can't think of anything else at the moment but I will go over all the finer points before we enter Silver Seas.
I like Slavage, however I think SE could plan it out much better than they did. I think it's stupid how you need to rely on a MNK to do decent DMG. Since when I went as a WAR my accuracy without weapons was pure horrible, even on the first floor.
Also, you need to find a balance for how many ppl to take. Full alliance is a bad idea since there's no way you'll get enough cells in time for ppl.
But yeah, I think Salvage is fun and I want a SP for it.
Also, you need to find a balance for how many ppl to take. Full alliance is a bad idea since there's no way you'll get enough cells in time for ppl.
But yeah, I think Salvage is fun and I want a SP for it.
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Reason Why NA's Dont do Salavage and Jps do cause the Drop rate of RarEX is terrible for the time spent in there. JPs do it alot cuase they are unable to do the other Events that High End NA LS Monoplize on this server. If they make if more worth your time then Like wise all the High End NA LS will do it. ITs a Time/Item Ratio.
I person Like Salvage and have been to alot. But yes drop rate sux its fustrating when NH and stuff have way beter rates.
P.S I also SM Rank and do alot of Assult. Assult gear is pretty good for the most part. But for most jobs not the best. Another reasonn why NA dont do tons of Assult either compared to JP for same reasons as Salvage.
Edited, Mar 6th 2007 2:51am by Laverna
Edited, Mar 6th 2007 2:52am by Laverna
I person Like Salvage and have been to alot. But yes drop rate sux its fustrating when NH and stuff have way beter rates.
P.S I also SM Rank and do alot of Assult. Assult gear is pretty good for the most part. But for most jobs not the best. Another reasonn why NA dont do tons of Assult either compared to JP for same reasons as Salvage.
Edited, Mar 6th 2007 2:51am by Laverna
Edited, Mar 6th 2007 2:52am by Laverna
Quote:
Reason Why NA's Dont do Salavage and Jps do cause the Drop rate of RarEX is terrible for the time spent in there. JPs do it alot cuase they are unable to do the other Events that High End NA LS Monoplize on this server. If they make if more worth your time then Like wise all the High End NA LS will do it. ITs a Time/Item Ratio.
I person Like Salvage and have been to alot. But yes drop rate sux its fustrating when NH and stuff have way beter rates.
P.S I also SM Rank and do alot of Assult. Assult gear is pretty good for the most part. But for most jobs not the best. Another reasonn why NA dont do tons of Assult either compared to JP for same reasons as Salvage.
I person Like Salvage and have been to alot. But yes drop rate sux its fustrating when NH and stuff have way beter rates.
P.S I also SM Rank and do alot of Assult. Assult gear is pretty good for the most part. But for most jobs not the best. Another reasonn why NA dont do tons of Assult either compared to JP for same reasons as Salvage.
The majority of players (not trying to be specific from being a specific region, but a lot of Japanese does fall under that) especially older one have work in daytime, and do not have time to wake up in a weird hour in the middle of the week or to log in during middle of the day to camp HNM. Nor a lot of players have enough patience deal with stupid drama and botters.
Salvage drop rate is... pretty much comparable to Dynamis, no?
A lot of Assault only takes 15 min to do, far better than standing around deal with botters and GS.
I have seen people with utmost best gear and play like crap. Good players know what is good gear, but good gear does not make a good player.
Amanada (Cerberus-Retired) (aka MaiNoKen/Steven)
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
Salvage sucks, I'm happy w/ Dalmatica lol whats the point of farming a place with drops worse than Dyna-Xarc for a 2-3%(maybe? I cant imagine it being any higher) boost to Fast cast
God that awful as answer
but seriously
the persons that posted here Like Amanda and Jelly plays for the game.
Whati mean by that they play for fun and like to test new challenge.
you think the equip sucks^ good for you and don't do it, but let the people who likes new stuff have fun -.-
but seriously
the persons that posted here Like Amanda and Jelly plays for the game.
Whati mean by that they play for fun and like to test new challenge.
you think the equip sucks^ good for you and don't do it, but let the people who likes new stuff have fun -.-
The majority of the top tier NA LS are so exclusive, so think of themselves high and lofty, and have the right to dictate what is the best gear and what type of game activity is "leet" and what is "gimp and time inefficient."
I daringly charge a good amount of such "top tier NA LS" are full of people who do HNM and gods everyday and do not make gil and somehow find the gil to pay for their Hauby +1s and Kraken Clubs. And their "claimers" will make sure any other rival LS (unless is another "top tier NA LS") will stand little chance for a Fafnir and KB claim, so they can get their E, A and M Body ASAP.
The ones that elect to play fair will then take a very long or take double effort to get a shot on something nice. The odds are competitive to begin with, but some people decide to juggle to natural odds with a loaded dice.
A lot of this game require cooperation and daring to try. I admit sometimes I am stuck with the old ways of doing things, but by means I want to try new things. Doesn't going to DA everyday gets old? I waited long time to get a shot on something I wanted, and when I do get it, it feels 10 times sweeter than any other things that could have happen to me playing.
I admit being an individual that probably a lot of people think I am outside of the "accepted way" does not help my cause. In the end, it is for fun. And I find it is not fun to be force to an accept a lower or undesired standard to get things done.
Edited, Mar 7th 2007 12:45am by scchan
I daringly charge a good amount of such "top tier NA LS" are full of people who do HNM and gods everyday and do not make gil and somehow find the gil to pay for their Hauby +1s and Kraken Clubs. And their "claimers" will make sure any other rival LS (unless is another "top tier NA LS") will stand little chance for a Fafnir and KB claim, so they can get their E, A and M Body ASAP.
The ones that elect to play fair will then take a very long or take double effort to get a shot on something nice. The odds are competitive to begin with, but some people decide to juggle to natural odds with a loaded dice.
A lot of this game require cooperation and daring to try. I admit sometimes I am stuck with the old ways of doing things, but by means I want to try new things. Doesn't going to DA everyday gets old? I waited long time to get a shot on something I wanted, and when I do get it, it feels 10 times sweeter than any other things that could have happen to me playing.
I admit being an individual that probably a lot of people think I am outside of the "accepted way" does not help my cause. In the end, it is for fun. And I find it is not fun to be force to an accept a lower or undesired standard to get things done.
Edited, Mar 7th 2007 12:45am by scchan
Amanada (Cerberus-Retired) (aka MaiNoKen/Steven)
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
-- Thank you for the fun times in Vana'diel
Art for the sake of art itself is an idle sentence.
Art for the sake of truth, for the sake of what is
beautiful and good — that is the creed I seek.
- George Sand
A designer knows he has achieved perfection,
not when there is nothing left to add,
but when there is nothing left to take away.
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
If I got an Ares Body, it's safe to assume I died and went to Heaven.
Hell, if I had full Ares/Morrigan I'd be set for life.
Anyway, I agree with Laverna, the drop rates are horrible. I wouldn't mind it if Salvage didn't rely on MNKs at the start.
However, I still wouldn't mind a Salvage SP, just for something new.
Edited, Mar 7th 2007 6:19am by Corrderio
Hell, if I had full Ares/Morrigan I'd be set for life.
Anyway, I agree with Laverna, the drop rates are horrible. I wouldn't mind it if Salvage didn't rely on MNKs at the start.
However, I still wouldn't mind a Salvage SP, just for something new.
Edited, Mar 7th 2007 6:19am by Corrderio
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