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#1 Sep 19 2007 at 5:03 AM Rating: Excellent
Two children who tried to cause problems during dynamis last night.

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#2 Sep 19 2007 at 8:47 AM Rating: Good
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****, I got beaten to it.

Basically, Alex got booted from our Dynamis LS for general douchebaggery. The next run, Leonis glasses him Pergo-style and the two of them proceed to start lotting everything they can get their grubby little mitts on.
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#3 Sep 20 2007 at 7:58 AM Rating: Default
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There is always two sides of every story irl or in the game. I am new to this game and already know will stay out of most of the endgame activities cause I have enough drama irl, but that is beside the point. :D
I know both Alex and Leon, they have helped me on many occasions (missions, quests etc.) and all I can say about them is good stuff and I am sure I am not the only person they helped, because I know at least few others. :P So here is the second opinion on them. :)
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#4 Sep 20 2007 at 12:22 PM Rating: Decent
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true, there are 2 sides to every story, i think alex is an alright guy, someone must have really ****** him off for him to do that. He was kicked from our LS because of his actions but i still remain his friend. Leonis on the other hand is just a ******. ha-ha, you cant blame someone who dosnt know any better.
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He was kicked from our LS because of his actions but i still remain his friend.


Wow, just a coincidence that he's been kicked out of 2 lses but is an all right guy? Doesn't add up to me. :P
#6 Oct 10 2007 at 2:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Wow, just a coincidence that he's been kicked out of 2 lses but is an all right guy? Doesn't add up to me. :P


Entirely possible. Getting kicked out of 2 groups of people does not make you evil.
#7 Oct 10 2007 at 11:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Very true. I kicked someone out of my social LS over a year ago, I've called the GM on him twice for harrassing me and my wife (most recently a /shout fight in al zhabi), and for some strange reason there's ppl that are currently in my ls that are friends with this guy.

Course I am convinced that this guy isn't necessarily evil, just an asshat.
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#8 Oct 26 2007 at 10:28 AM Rating: Good
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Nadjaswift wrote:
There is always two sides of every story irl or in the game. I am new to this game and already know will stay out of most of the endgame activities cause I have enough drama irl, but that is beside the point. :D
I know both Alex and Leon, they have helped me on many occasions (missions, quests etc.) and all I can say about them is good stuff and I am sure I am not the only person they helped, because I know at least few others. :P So here is the second opinion on them. :)


What about all the -good- things Hitler did?
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#9 Oct 26 2007 at 3:42 PM Rating: Good
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Mikhalia wrote:
What about all the -good- things Hitler did?


Yah because two people causing linkshell problems in dynamis is totally in the same league as mass genocide...
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#10 Oct 28 2007 at 2:45 AM Rating: Good
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Wow Mikhalia!!! I am partly Jewish and this is a very, very assaulting thing to say! In Europe you will get flamed for comparing some video game with mass genocide. If you do not know what you are talking about don’t talk at all. >.< I think you are taking this all way too far! Word of advice, get a real life darling.
Thanks Nelly for the good point made.
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#11 Nov 02 2007 at 12:48 PM Rating: Good
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Hold up a second. Where was the comparison made that doing bad things in a video game is comparable to mass genocide?

An example is just that--Hitler is a bad person (I think this is an easy point to argue) and might have done good things.

In this case the example is "bad people can do good things, Hitler is another example of a bad person who probably did good things."

In no way was it suggested that the magnitude of the bad things perpetrated by Alex/Leo are at the same level as what Hitler did. It's not even implied.

Free exchange of ideas, no matter how detestable, is a cornerstone of modern, free society. Period. I know there are EU countries with laws about "denying the Holocaust" but that's exactly the point of a "free exchange of ideas," even the crazies get their say. :P

On a side note, I'd object to the statement on logical grounds--that the poster has presented no evidence that Hitler did good things. (at least, I assume the poster isn't suggesting that slaughtering 10 million Jews was a good thing).

Then I'd object to your conclusion that the original poster doesn't "have a life" as using Hitler as an example of a bad person in no way has any bearing on whether or not the poster has a life. :P
#12 Nov 02 2007 at 6:49 PM Rating: Good
I would just like to take the time to point out Godwin's Law...


..."As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving ***** or Hitler approaches one."


It is as inevitible as Seattle rain; as inevitible as Dynamis jerks.
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#13 Nov 04 2007 at 10:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Hold up a second. Where was the comparison made that doing bad things in a video game is comparable to mass genocide?

An example is just that--Hitler is a bad person (I think this is an easy point to argue) and might have done good things.

In this case the example is "bad people can do good things, Hitler is another example of a bad person who probably did good things."

In no way was it suggested that the magnitude of the bad things perpetrated by Alex/Leo are at the same level as what Hitler did. It's not even implied.

Free exchange of ideas, no matter how detestable, is a cornerstone of modern, free society. Period. I know there are EU countries with laws about "denying the Holocaust" but that's exactly the point of a "free exchange of ideas," even the crazies get their say. :P

On a side note, I'd object to the statement on logical grounds--that the poster has presented no evidence that Hitler did good things. (at least, I assume the poster isn't suggesting that slaughtering 10 million Jews was a good thing).

Then I'd object to your conclusion that the original poster doesn't "have a life" as using Hitler as an example of a bad person in no way has any bearing on whether or not the poster has a life. :P


Maybe someone should introduce Stalin and after him SU regime in this thread as well (killing around 63 million all together if I remember correctly what they taught us in history course at the University) highlighting the original post even more. >.< I just believe this is very lousy comparison to make in a site used by international community. >.< Any ways, peace!
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#14 Nov 06 2007 at 8:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Don't you think your outrage is a little out of proportion? Mikhalia simply stated that Hitler is an example of a person who also did bad things. Nowhere does Mikhalia say, "they're comparably bad" or that dynamis lotting anywhere near as bad as the holocaust. The only comparison Mikhalia is making is that dynamis lotting is bad, and that Hitler is bad.

The problem with forums in an "international community" is that there are different laws in different places. See, in the US we have something called free speech. Public endangerment (i.e. yelling fire in a crowded theatre) to be the only exception. All opinions and views are fully protected no matter how grotesque they may be to others.

That includes hate speech, KKK rallies and "denying the Holocaust." In Europe I know it's a little different--something like half of Europe has laws against things like denying the holocaust and hate speech.

Inevitably then if you participate in international forum discussions you are going to run across people who say things that might even be illegal in your country (though obviously Mikhalia is not suggesting the Holocaust didn't target Jews or that it didn't happen at all).

Personally I think it's very unhealthy to not have open and free discussions, no matter how abhorrent an idea may be.

Case in point--in the US these last few weeks there are people who gather at the funerals of men who have died in the Iraq war to ridicule the grieving families. Of course, this makes me want to go punch them in the teeth, however, I fully support their right to express their opinion (in this case they're opinion is that "God is punishing the US for the US acceptance of gays...lolidiots") no matter how stupid or hurtful.

Ah well, c'est la vie, just wanted to remind you that laws and culture are different everywhere and honestly I'm proud to live in a country where even the idiots are allowed to voice their stupid opinions. (Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!)
#15 Nov 06 2007 at 1:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Don't you think your outrage is a little out of proportion? Mikhalia simply stated that Hitler is an example of a person who also did bad things. Nowhere does Mikhalia say, "they're comparably bad" or that dynamis lotting anywhere near as bad as the holocaust. The only comparison Mikhalia is making is that dynamis lotting is bad, and that Hitler is bad.

The problem with forums in an "international community" is that there are different laws in different places. See, in the US we have something called free speech. Public endangerment (i.e. yelling fire in a crowded theatre) to be the only exception. All opinions and views are fully protected no matter how grotesque they may be to others.

That includes hate speech, KKK rallies and "denying the Holocaust." In Europe I know it's a little different--something like half of Europe has laws against things like denying the holocaust and hate speech.

Inevitably then if you participate in international forum discussions you are going to run across people who say things that might even be illegal in your country (though obviously Mikhalia is not suggesting the Holocaust didn't target Jews or that it didn't happen at all).

Personally I think it's very unhealthy to not have open and free discussions, no matter how abhorrent an idea may be.

Case in point--in the US these last few weeks there are people who gather at the funerals of men who have died in the Iraq war to ridicule the grieving families. Of course, this makes me want to go punch them in the teeth, however, I fully support their right to express their opinion (in this case they're opinion is that "God is punishing the US for the US acceptance of gays...lolidiots") no matter how stupid or hurtful.

Ah well, c'est la vie, just wanted to remind you that laws and culture are different everywhere and honestly I'm proud to live in a country where even the idiots are allowed to voice their stupid opinions. (Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!)


Since I need to wait for that update to check my pots I will put last post on this thread. I spent considerable time in NYC as in many other contries because of my studies and work related matters so I am pretty much aware of how Americans think as well, but, any ways, thanks for reminding. :D
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#16 Nov 06 2007 at 2:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Not all Americans think this way of course--some want to limit free speech, but I'd definitely say a majority of Americans support the right of people to express their opinions no matter how grotesque they are.

I realize in Europe this sort of thing may not be popular and I'm sure Mikhalia wasn't trying to insult you (FYI, I don't know Mikhalia at all--it is not as if they are a friend of mine I'm trying to defend).
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#18 Dec 26 2007 at 4:42 PM Rating: Good
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I forgot all about this thread but I jsut randomly pop in and see SKSmokes talking some sense into Nadja and can only laugh.
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#19 Dec 26 2007 at 8:36 PM Rating: Good
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To whoever rated me down without replying: Grow a pair and learn to stand up for yourself, @#%^. If you think your opinions are so much better than mine, let's hear em.

EDIT: Didn't think you would. *****.

Edited, Dec 27th 2007 2:43am by Mikhalia
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