Teleports Taxi's >< overpriced !Follow

Some of you might have seen the rioting in Jeuno regarding Teleports this weekend. I do apologize for this, that was not my intention.

It started out like this...

I come to Jeuno (was waiting on a FENNIR party). And I see this Paladin (Who shall remain nameless) start shouting how there are no tele-taxi's at the time and that there should always be one here. I hear someone else tell this Paladin that Whm's are'nt here to serve you 24/7. He began to agrue otherwise and that, yes they were.

Well, (being the WHM that I am) that pissed me off. So I decided to give him a teleport for 1k (I do not normally charge for tele's, if I am in Jueno and my HP is there and someone ask for a tele, I would be more than happy to give them one, free of course).

Anyways... He declined the 1k and was shouting for a tele. I then started shouting that I would now give teleports for 2k - 5k. Just do get him a little pissed.

Well then this started a debate in Jeuno, people then started saying well look at the prices of spells now. Everything else has risen in price, why should'nt tele's. I agreed with that in a way. Why should everything else rise, and not teleports? After all tele-ports are more for conveinance, than the other things like gear and such. And people will pay more for convenience!

MY reasons for doing this now changed, Instead of getting back at that Paladin, I thought of the future WHM's who whould never be able to afford (raise2 or raise3, or any of the already over priced spells). If I was able to raise Tele's then they would have a chance.

Then I start to hear: well what if people started to charge for Provokes!!! This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. A teleport cannot be compared to with provoke. Provoke is not a convenience. It is a viable ability use to party. END of discussion on that.

Then the name calling begun, people calling me an idiot and such. All I would say is: there is no need for name calling.

My LS, some where laughing some were not, saying this will give a bad reputation to you and to your LS, so I stoped for that reason. I do not want people to think of me as a trouble starter.

Anyways I just wanted to apologize to those of you who, were in that this weekend.


Oh and if your wondering, I could have made, in about an hour and half, about 40kto 50k, If I took those peoples money who wanted teleports for 2k-5k. Yes that is right people actually were going to pay. But when they began to trade me to give me gil. I told them that was not necessary it was free of charge.

Edit: it's duplicating posts for some reason. :(

Edited, Mon Jan 17 14:20:43 2005 by Tarmus

i was at server forums.. 'contents' and saw this, i had to read. what price is usual for mea/dem/holla/altepa/yhoat? on odin it's 500 for those and 1k for vhazl. I usually offer 500 and pay 600 just cuz i like whm's. I can't imagine trying to get those 10k+ spells with 500 gil every 5 min or so. when if they could farm as well as some other jobs they could make 2k in a single drop.

Duncan, you should see the nonsense I started in the whm forum about this... you've inspired people on other servers rotf. I exagerated the story just a little bit, it's goten pretty humorous reponse.

Edited, Mon Jan 17 16:00:23 2005 by Akatosh

Charge all you want i have my Teleport rings bwuahaha .. dammit nevermind ... i can only use them when i'm my RDM .. stupid lvl 65 crap .. heh. And if you all start charging more for tele's, you'll find more and more people riding the big yellow chicken. The only Tele I would ever pay for nowadays is Tele-Vhazal ... Walking to X just takes forever ... even then, if I need to go to Xacabard, I can always Outpost warp there. The one thing I hate to be is rushed, so if the extra five minutes riding a <usually less expensive> choco is going to make an EXP or any other PT hate me over grabbing a quicker, yet more expensive Tele - then i'll go find something else better to do lol. yanno what... charge what you all want, i only play like once or twice a month now anyway - stupid RL responsibilities >.<

^_^ I think that was me who was arguing with him about WHM's being your personal bitct. It just irks me to think that people actually think like that.

1) I am not anyones Tele-bitch
2) You want Dem so bad, get on a freakin choco.
3) Telling the WHM's off is not a real good way to get a port

I'm a 60WHM, and I know I have avoided Tele-Taxing like the plague. Its boring, and for 500G, its not worth it. PLUS, there ARE asshats out there who run away before they pay you. Thank you cheapass, you just got away with a free port. Had you probably asked me, I would have done it free anyway, but you wanted to be a moron and run away. {Congratulations!} You get a cookie.

I wouldn't mind the prices being upped. 1k for the regular (Mea, Dem, Holla), 1.5k for Altep and Yhoat, and 2k for Vahzl.

But hey, its an idea...

Teles are a Gift...for a small chump of change you can get somewhere on the map within mins....rather than pay 1k+ for a choco in jeuno and stare at a chocos butt.....the same is with rank 5, after having it for months i cant imange riding a choco for 10+ mins getting to jeuno or to a city, i could not survive..enjoy you non tele classes and say thank you to the Next WHM that teles you! btw..whms keep you alive too!!
/thank you WhiteMages
ooo btw Duncan likes little Tataru boys!!!!

Duncan,

very cool!!!! You did what some of can only dream about. You started a revolution. i read the entire post in the Whm forums... and all I can say is WOW!!! While everyone is running around brandishing their war hammers and clubs i think I'll hide in my mog house. Inflation being what it is and scroll's costing what they do i can see the Whm side of the story and since I am spell challanged(melee player) I can see the other side also. I have always tried to be polite to everyone especially ppl that raise or heal me, but from some of the comments in the Whm forum it seems that others look upon Whm as a healing/raising/teleport bitch.--Not cool-- Come on people Whm are players like you, have the same wants/needs you do. They are not mules or npc's put their to make your life easier. Ok time to get biblical--Do unto others.... remember that one?

Even if tele prices dont go up I hope this revolution does the worlds some good. Good job Duncan, everything needs to shaken up once in a while even if all it does is shake off the dust.

Some basic ground rules.

Teleportation is not guaranteed.
Other classes cannot do it. It's restricted to us and is one of the ways we are useful. Frankly, there do not need to be teleport spells in this game; FFXI could make you chocobo or airship everywhere. It's a benefit that they exist at all.


Questing a Scroll doesn't mean we're your slaves.
We either quest the scrolls up or we buy them from people who did the quest. The exchange of Our Gil for Your Scroll is a fair trade - we are paying for the time and effort it took for you to get the scroll and list it.

I'm glad that you made a scroll available so some WHM could cast their magic. That doesn't make the WHM your bitch. You were paid. That is the limit of your compensation.


Selling teleports in town is a common convention - You are not entitled.
It does not have to occur, isn't in the ToS, etc. Some White Mages offer teleports because they're new to the spell and enjoy being useful. Some offer because they're genuinely nice people who want to aid everybody equally. Most who do it are doing it because it's a low-risk way to make a profit on your time - there's gil involved, there's an incentive here.

WHM teleporters have become a staple of most towns but by no means and in no circumstances are they guaranteed. We've all been stranded before when no WHM is available anywhere in the region. Sometimes, that's how it goes.

Teleports do not have to be available. WHMs make them available because of the profit involved. You've got money; they've got a renewable resource; there's a trade of money for service that can be performed.


Teleport pricing is a function of convention and of the free market.
The prices tied to teleports are arbitrary. On our server, Dem/Mea/Holla run 500g; Yhoat runs 700g; Vazhl runs 1,000g.

Why is there a tiered price structure? It doesn't "cost" the WHM more to go to Vazhl over Holla, no? Especially if you're HP'd on Jeuno's MH door - just warp home, step in, step out, and your MP is totally refreshed. It doesn't take more time to cast the spell. It isn't at all different from the others.

So why does it cost more?
...because it's always been listed for 1k in the past.

The funny thing about the Free Market is that pricing is affected by two things, and two things only.

1) Supply - Is a teleport available?
2) Demand - Are people seeking? Have they been for some time?

If you're the only porter for miles around and people have been waiting for half an hour, they'll start offering 1k, 2k, 5k for a teleport to anywhere you can name. This is because supply is low and demand is exceptionally high. Conversely if you've got ten WHMs in town and nobody is seeking teleports, prices are crap - supply is high, demand is low. Price is the magic point where those two forces meet.


If white mages band together and begin to unilaterally raise prices (forming a cartel), they could indeed up the going rate for a teleport. If they were smart, they'd raise it until the high Price caused Demand to slack off. (That's how real economies work, by the way.)

This seems like a completely bad thing, but there are some benefits worth mentioning.

- Imagine never having to wait for a teleport again!
If teleporting was actually profitable, you can be certain that Jeuno would always have mages handy, as would each of the starting towns. If it was profitable enough, you might find WHMs stationed at bizarre locations around the world, offering teleports to anywhere for 10k a head. Stuck deep in Boyadha? Maybe a WHM will choose to make it their home, if there's a profit involved.

- Prices probably won't go as high as you think.
The old adage of "sell cheaply to many" rings true in the ears of many a businessman. If prices are high and demand is suffering, expect a WHM price-war to break out, bringing the tele-costs back down rapidly.

- WHMs are no longer poor!
A WHM who isn't dirt-poor is capable of affording Erase. They're capable of buying appropriate food and wearing good gear for their level. When they go to XP, they'll be better fed, better equipped, and a good deal happier than they would previously. WHMs will become an economic force again, instead of living off the scraps tossed to them by passersby.


Lots of interesting stuff to consider here. Think about it.

double post >.<

Edited, Tue Jan 18 15:23:08 2005 by exjimmi

LOL That tree kicked my butt, Thank god that Ranger was near^^ It was fun though.

I laughed, but hey if prices go up maybe I'll actually do tele-shouts (honestly I've seen few mages post-36 advertise teles [and maybe that's why Yhoat, Altep, and Vahzl cost more].

Anyway WHM get chewed out about our bitching about Raise III passing 1.7m (nearly triple the price in less than one month), yet as everything else rises in price, teleports have stayed the same since day 1.

There are a few reasons people charge more for altep/yhoat and vahzl, other than those already mentioned:

1. Teleports to these areas will put the teleporter at risk of death every time they go. Who knows whether there's a mob of antica waiting at the altep crystal or a few demons withing sniffing range of the xarcabard crystal? This is the main reason for the 3 levels of pricing.

2. Demand for altep/yhoat/vahzl is stronger... not that the're are more requests for these, just that those that DO request these see walking to those areas as a LOT more inconvienient than walking to Mea/Dem/Holla. Someone looking for a tele-vahzl is gonna pay whatever they need to pay, so they don't have to hike there.

I did some teleport service action for a while when i first got whm to 36, and then some more when i got 38, but it wasn't enough profit to be worth my time. I would go back to it if the prices raised, i suspect, but i'd rather they didn't, 'cause i use the service a lot more than i provide it. (maybe i'll do mea/dem/holla more when i'm blm 72/whm36)

Sorry to resurrect an old topic.

Yup, it's too bad everyone seems to think they're entitled to this or that.

I'm a THF and posted a topic on the WHM forum a few weeks ago about how the price of teles DOES need to increase to help cover WHM expenses. Selfishly I'd like to see them increase simply so I can find a tele when I need one (e.g. if teles doubled in price, a lot more WHM would use them as a source of income).

Eventually, one of 2 things will happen:
1) Tele prices will go up
2) The days of tele-taxi are numbered

I'm an impatient basterd and the last thing I want to do is ride the big yellow birds anywhere.

|Teleport-Mea| |Teleport-Dem| |Teleport-Holla| 1K
|Teleport-Altep| |Teleport-Yhoat| 1.5K
|Teleport-Vahzl| 2K

|Yes, Please| ;)

I hit the roof when he said TELEPORTS ARE WHMS JOBS.
NO they are not our jobs, for people outside of a party.

When other people were refering to WHM's not raising, they meant outside of a party... I don't see how people can even compare Tanking, provoking, etc, etc, to teleports and raises (outside of a party); you can't they are two totally different things.


The way I look at it is....any spell that I have is my partys as well, whatever they need (mind you, that makes sense). However when you hear WHM's say then we won't raise, I think they are refering to outside of a party.

<.< Well, I still support Duncan for his decision. I was there, I saw it... heck ^^;; I was part of it (that guy is damn lucky I wasn't WHM at the moment... was PLD and didn't really feel like yelling at someone when I wasn't even the right job)

^^v I still have yet to see the Tele-Prices raise any, but hey, who knows, it may in time.

Until then, I'll still probably be giving them for free also, seeing as farming is more lucrative then porting.

all i gotta say is the more you charge the greedier people get, and if they have to they will find other means of obtaining gil (even if it means the net)

i say keep prices at the 500, 750,1K range like its been

Actually Karit, the staffs are still cheap compared to 6months ago. They were 300k+, the +1's were anywhere from 500k+. They droped in price, because everyone and their mother was growing ores.


LOL I seem to have a troll that is following me in this forum, oh well, keep the rate downs coming.

Edited, Thu Feb 3 15:41:31 2005 by Daniepwils