To those who play Bard, a question...Follow

I got ******* out in a party yesterday because I didn't have elemental staves and I was 52. The guy was an elitist prick and I brushed him off. I didn't need some ******* telling me how to play a game.

Then today someone in LS said it was for Magic Acc and that by 60 I should have Light and Earth for Elegy and Lullaby. Frankly, I don't know as much as I used to and I don't know how to calculate Magic Acc, however in my entire time playing Bard I have never seen Elegy not stick and my Lullaby stick rate is about 95% with my Chanter's Staff and Mary's Horn. So if it is that good, why should I waste the time, money and space on two additional items? I paid 1 mil for the staff a year ago when prices were inflated and I'll be damned if I don't get it's use out of it. I like to think that my gear is top of the line and for once I actually took the time to outfit my job in an excellent fashion before I even started leveling it (save the fact that I haven't re-examined the gear, comparing it to new stuff since I returned and gained 8 levels, though despite that I doubt much will have to be changed, if anything at all).

So for those of you who can actually describe coherently why I've had these two run ins in two days regarding the elemental staves and can explain why that viewpoint is believed to be better I would appreciate it so I can make my own determination.

To be honest I didn't know that Elegy could get resisted. I've never seen it happen. Also before I played Bard I always heard people complain about how it was so hard to stick Lullaby. Well when I compiled my gear list and actually used it, it was normal occurrence for me to take my PLD main job attitude and say you guys go, I'll catch up *la-lalalala-la whooosh* mob asleep, then book for zone and I'm good.

If you didn't have light and earth staves, then no you didn't. A year ago, those were still the most important items for a bard to have along with an instrument of some sort.

Happy Bithday you filthy Animal. In california I have 12 more min to do this.

As to your post, tell them to kiss your ***. Your a freakin Bard and they are ...whatever they are that is not a bard. i hope this helped, you ron jeramy ***** sucker!!

Edited, May 28th 2008 11:51pm by deathsblessing

As others have pointed out, your gear is not top of the line if you do not at least have earth and light staff on bard.

Here is some information for you about both staves:

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Light_Staff



This not only helps you when trying to throw some helpful heals out for your healers (you should be subbing /WHM till 70+), but it increases (by a huge portion) the accuracy of your lullaby, requiem, dark threnody, and finale spells. The difference is really night and day on other jobs such as BLM, RDM, and other jobs that use the staves. At least it was for me.

On top of that, the cost of light staff now days is...extremely cheap to say the least:

http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=17557&sid=1

I remember paying 500k for mine back in 2005 (when prices were about what they are now). Consider yourself lucky at how cheap they are now. They truly are one of the most efficient pieces of equipment per money spent ratio out there. Most career bards opt for the HQ version of it, as well.




Earth staff is much the same.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Earth_Staff



You may not be seeing resists right now, but I can assure you they will come around in the next 20 or so levels. Elegy is a fairly important spell. It will also give more accuracy to your lightning threnody as well.

The price? Similar to light staff.

http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=17551&sid=1






As for your leader? A total jerk. While I believe you do have much to learn about bard, I surely would not kick you (or even comment on it) in a party. There is a reason why people say bards can play naked and still go from 1-75 fairly easy. No one really cares about a bard's equipment (except, apparently, your former PT leader). All that matters is if they can sing minuet/madrigal/march/ballad/elegy/lullaby. =p

On a serious note...

Jump on over to the bard forums and they'd be able to give you a better explanation on how earth/light staves effect how you play BRD. There are a few stickies detailing equipment for bards from 1-75.


Edit: After reading the post once more (I was just answering the main post and didn't read your replies)....

You sound very arrogant and demanding. If you wish for people to explain to you why you are wrong, then act in a civil manner. There are plenty of resources at your disposal when it comes to FFXI. You could have simply done the research and found out without having to make a post at all.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Bard
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/How-To_Guide:_Bard
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Bard:_Guide_to_Playing_the_Job
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Bard:_Guide_to_Weapons_and_Armor
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Bard_Guide_by_Tattersail
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Guide_to_Dispelling_Effects
http://www.ffxiah.com/index.php
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/search.html?
http://ffxi.cannotlinkto/
http://www.killingifrit.com/
http://www.killingifrit.com/forums.php?m=topics&s=16
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=9
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=9;mid=120068350850761425;num=4;page=1
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=9;mid=118338334183661612;num=4;page=1
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=9;mid=118338334183661612;num=4;page=1





You are also ignorant of the fact that there is a job forum sitting to the left of you under the forums menu. You will not find one bard on that forum who would not recommend you buying at least earth and light staff if not a select few of the other staves (yes, they are that good).

On a positive note, with your current attitude you will make a fine 75 BRD.

Edited, May 29th 2008 5:43am by HitomeOfBismarck

I said ******* out, i.e. got yelled at. Never said kicked out. Though that's off the point by this point, lol.

I don't think I was arrogant or demanding in my post. If you would like to highlight a specific passage from my posts so I can comment on it I would love to. To me a demand is something along the lines of "Give me now." You specifically mentioned my replies. I'm assuming my one responding to Keliaffxi. Well in my first post I specifically said:



I think that's quite logical and not demanding or arrogant at all. It's a simple, polite request. True, I didn't say please or thank you but I did say I would be appreciative. I did act in a civil manner. It wasn't until someone was ignorant enough to comment in the exact opposite way I had asked (not that people should do what I say because that is not my point at all), but Keliaffxi actually posted without any info to back their side of the argument up and in doing so from my perception came off as haughty and arrogant. That's when I threw my patience out the window and posted as I did. If someone doesn't take the time to read an entire post and misses crucial information and in doing so comes off in the manner that they did I have no moral qualms about being impolite to the degree that I did in return.

As per your comment about ignorance towards myself regarding the job forum. I am well aware there are multiple resources available. Thank you for pointing many of those out as I did not know they existed. I am going through my known resources one at a time. I did venture over to the Bard forum however before posting there and possibly receiving a rude welcome as happens often enough when an outsider enters a forum they do not frequent I chose to ask here on my server forum first where I knew I would probably receive much more reliable (reliable in the sense of I trust many of the people who post here) info.

Additionally, I looked in the sticky section of the Bard forum briefly and while I didn't look in the equipment threads yet I saw only 1 topic devoted to elemental staves (I did not look through the regular threads) and it was comparing elemental vs. Monster Signa and it was overwhelmingly (though there were only a handful of posts in that thread) the info I have already heard, that elemental was not really needed unless you are having trouble sticking with your Monster Signa (I happen to like Chanters more than Signa and have no trouble with it).

/sidenote

Why did you put the KillingIfrit and CannotLinkTo? Wasn't that site infected with viruses just recently in the past day or so? Thought I heard something about it so I won't be going there any time soon.

/sidenote



I can't tell if you are being serious or being sarcastic. If you are commending me for doing what anyone should, which is to strive to learn about their job then thank you. If you are being sarcastic and saying that all Bards come off as arrogant and ignorant than ***** you for a blanket statement.



Thanks, that falls in line with everything else I have heard regarding not having to use it until I start getting resisted.


Oh and another sidenote. Multiple people in this thread said 'no you're gear isn't excellent unless you have this item'. Well you missed my Sunset Clause that I added in parenthesis stating the following:



Hopefully the bolding and underlining makes it easier to understand and read.

[edit]I didn't mean a sentence to sound the way it did. It actually read as offensive in retrospect so I rephrased it.

I also rephrased another sentence. Wrong on my part to assume something.[/edit]

Edited, May 29th 2008 2:09pm by Gamion

I didn't state the reasons why bards should have earth and light staves, because the OP seemed intelligent enough to make the logical next step of visiting the bard forum himself and asking questions there.

Perhaps, on second thought, I was mistaken; especially considering the arrogance of his later posts, such as:



I was responding to a particular section of a post- namely, the part about


-rather than the post in its entirety. That statement you made isn't true, because if you'd really taken the time, OP, you'd have read up enough to understand that Chanter's Staff is, at the most, useful for casting party buffs only at 51+.

I honestly am not surprised if your party leader "yelled at" you, if you responded to him in the same way you responded to my post.

And that would be which? Just curious. :)

Haha she is right. The summoner forums are quite a mess...but that's usually due to 3 select individuals. I try to avoid going there when possible.

Thanks for sticking up for me DB, I appreciate your stalwart dedication to the Democratic Party (you all heard it here first, DB has renounced his ways! Inside jokes, please don't get offended by my political comment. :)), however after a few days away for my birthday I've gone back and reread the thread. I agree with everything Hitome and Kelia say are accurate. While I still disagree with several things they are in essence semantics and the nature of the conversation got away from in the end.

Thanks for all the information! I'll continue doing research.

Why the hell was Sherman's post sub defaulted? What the hell is wrong with you guys? Someone help me rate him up.

Edited, Jun 2nd 2008 3:05pm by deathsblessing