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#1 Apr 27 2008 at 11:37 AM Rating: Good
Yea so, Myst and I spent 3+ hours in Sky trying to pop Despot.

Despot spawns to Flames of Desiny LS, and they wipe. We watched as they all died, every one. Then we took the Despot and began the fight.

Everything went well all the way from 60% when we got it to 3% when I mischarmed a bird.

By this point the PLD from the LS is watching, and the second he goes unclaimed, he provokes it.

The sh*tty thing was, Despot still had hate on me. So it's stolen by this LS, and Despot is just beating on me and I can't even defend myself.

I die, but so does the PLD and Despot goes unclaimed again. Myst starts to cast Fire IV, but wasn't fast enough, the rest of the LS shows up and takes it.

So, these punks stole the claim, in turn causing my death, then tell me it was theirs to begin with.

I'm not sure about what part of wiping to Despot makes it THEIR NM, but whatever.

I just want to get the word out on these jackoffs. Back in the day the rules always were a NM is free to all once EVERYONE in the alliance is dead. After that it's free game.

Then agian I was a fool for thinking I'd have an honest chance at a NM like that when BST is as screwed up as it is and mobs go unclaimed every time you swap pets.

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FlamesofDoom LS, a friggin n00b LS that wipes to Despot, Claim steals, and caused my death.

Xeres
Tarah
Tydos <--- I think the leader
Tidusthestalker <------ PLD who stole claim.
Liuddho
Vye
Yondaime
Mulan


And more but I didn't get all their names. Bunch of friggin pricks.

Edited, Apr 27th 2008 3:48pm by SingBismark
#2 Apr 27 2008 at 6:41 PM Rating: Good
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Wow, no Sky fucktards threads for quite a while and then two about Despot recently...weird. :)

Thanks for the heads up.
#3 Apr 28 2008 at 4:10 AM Rating: Default
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Let's be honest.. they DID do 40% damage before wiping... in total, that's still 43% more damage then you would have done if they weren't there..

I can understand it's frustrating for you, but you didn't lose claim to them... when you mischarmed, you lost control of the fight. Yes, they provoked while it was unclaimed before you wiped, but you were dead regardless... Besides, Myth should have been casting that Fire IV BEFORE you lost claim (it was on 3% after all), and probably a few other spells to keep claim as well.

In the end, they did 43% damage, you did 57% damage, but THEY got the kill.
They were frustrated you 'stole' 'their' Despot, you are frustrated they 'stole' 'your' Despot...

How they could wipe to Despot is beyond me, but them taking it back was avoidable.

Chalk it down as a learning experience.. (in particular for Myst)
#4 Apr 28 2008 at 8:44 AM Rating: Good
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I disagree with your post Seedling. I wasn't there so I don't know the facts. I am basing this opinion off what both posters have said in this thread and what I know about Despot.

1) Does how much damage they did really matter? If they totally wiped and we are operating under the assumption that a full wipe = free for anyone to take then that factor is irrelevant. They wiped and someone new took it.

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I can understand it's frustrating for you, but you didn't lose claim to them... when you mischarmed, you lost control of the fight.
- Tomato - Tomoto. You can spin it either way. He either 'mischarmed, and lost control of the fight' or 'they exploited' a flaw in the BST job that SE should fix. Notice the change in the message just by rephrasing it. It's easy to spin things your way. It's just a matter of what you think is fair.

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Yes, they provoked while it was unclaimed before you wiped, but you were dead regardless...
So what if he was dead regardless. You don't claim from someone else just because you think they are going to die. This goes back to point 1) regarding the assumption that a full wipe and nothing less = free for anyone.

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Besides, Myth should have been casting that Fire IV BEFORE you lost claim (it was on 3% after all)
That's opinion on how to play the game. Can you honestly say that you're way of playing is the only right way in that situation? If they didn't cast Fire IV 'in time' that was their choice. They were doing other things, or chose to wait or any number of reasons. Your reason isn't the only correct way to do things and shouldn't be taken as such.

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and probably a few other spells to keep claim as well.
If mob goes unclaimed while BST is recharming, casting a few other spells would only serve to keep the hate on them longer as Singular said in his post while the PLD had claim.

6) How was them taking it back avoidable? Based on what BST job is like now, isn't it 'luck' if no one is around and/or if no one there decides to steal the mob when it goes unclaimed when BST is changing pets.

[edit]Because I tent to type server a lot when I mean serve.[/edit]

Edited, Apr 28th 2008 12:46pm by Gamion
#5 Apr 28 2008 at 10:24 AM Rating: Good
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As long as mobs pop in the conditions that Despot does, there will always be drama. Remember back before Ulli was fixed?

Not to say that Despot is as big a pain in the *** as Ulli was then, but it does suck. And, when a pt/alliance wipes and the mob goes unclaimed, it is/should be free game for anyone there.

As for what happened to you Sing, yeah, that sucks and it's something they shouldn't have done. It was a pricks trick.
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#6 Apr 28 2008 at 10:52 AM Rating: Default
I remember 2~3ish years ago when RMT was heavily into Sky and NM camping. At the time I was in IntensityLS and after that was in Epilogue.

Back in that time monsters used to go unclaimed for all sorts of reasons. Monsters used to even go unclaimed for no reason at all. And RMT used to try to pull hate by curing the people in the party/alliance fighting the mob. This lead to claim stealing.

The thing was, even if it was RMT that stole the NM, the LS at the time had class. Intensity and Epilogue used to discipline their members for even talking to the RMT if they lost their claim on a monster.

Lunarians and Arch Dominus were (Probably still are) very classy in the way they handled NM disputes. I remember years ago when my LS was fighting Lumber Jack and when the RDM died, it went unclaimed. Something happened and Shamanking ended up with the claim. No idea why, it was a mess. Then the leader of AD at the time apologized and tried to give us the NM back. When we said it was ok, they took screen shots of the drops, posted it on their web site and offered to give us all the drops.

I can remember other occasions where these LS actually supported each other opposed to just watching an alliance wipe then taking the claim.

Hell, I remember hearing stories about people in Dragon's Aery actually using /random to decide which LS would get the claim on Fafnir should the first LS wipe.

I stay away from end game now, so I don't know how it is. I know with LS like Foreal or Unreal or whatever that botting LS is called, that things are probably not handled fairly. But I complement any LS, or individuals who treat other players like actual people.

What happened to me in Sky is a very common occurrence, and is due to a flaw in the way that Beastmaster works. The problem with that is, a Beastmaster will have two challenges when trying to fight a desirable NM. 1) The difficulty of soloing the mob. 2) The likelihood that some prick will just take the claim as soon as it turns yellow.

Having talked to a GM for the 3rd time ever in my 5ish years of play time, I get the same amount of absolutely no help that I'm used to. It's not something that's going to be fixed any time soon, and that's too bad for those who would like to challenge themselves on BST.

My personal goal is to fight Despot, then Ola Grand, and then challenge Genbu with me and two other friends. the way it is now though, the real challenge will not be the fights, but the current number of greedy retards up in Sky.


Edited, Apr 28th 2008 2:54pm by SingBismark
#7 Apr 30 2008 at 6:00 AM Rating: Decent
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Despot spawns to Flames of Desiny LS, and they wipe. We watched as they all died, every one. Then we took the Despot and began the fight.

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I just want to get the word out on these jackoffs. Back in the day the rules always were a NM is free to all once EVERYONE in the alliance is dead. After that it's free game.


I remember a while back strolling through Ifrit's Cauldron (I think I was on my way to get a skull for Opo-Opo Crown) and coming into Tyrannic Tunnok's room. You, Singular, were lying dead on the ground in front of Tyrannic Tunnok. No one else was around. So we fought it, killed it, and offered you the Axe it dropped (I'm not sure if you already had Reraise or we raised you). You yelled at us for "claiming your NM" (when you were laying there dead), swore at us, /slapped us, and warped.

So, if you say that when everyone is dead, the NM is fair game, how were we in the wrong? We even offered you the axe but you really chewed me out instead.
#8REDACTED, Posted: Apr 30 2008 at 7:31 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I do remember that now that I think about it. My Tyrannik Tunnok days were years ago. I did get upset and it was probably because we had spent multiple hours trying to get a NM to spawn. One that drops nothing of value 99% of the time. Spending all that time just so Leeluu and I could have the excitement and challenge of the battle. Then some retarded lucky party walks by and just kills it. Yea, I can see why that'd be annoying.
#9 Apr 30 2008 at 9:29 AM Rating: Good
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Do you even know anything about the NM you were camping back then?

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/bestiary.html?fmob=1679

It drops a Venomous Claw. Yeah, back then when Venomous claws were worth a hell of a lot of money, no one wanted them? I hardly think that NM is worthless considering it had a drop worth well over a million gil.

And no, I don't just go around taking NMs and asking questions later. That's a pretty lame assumption to make considering you don't even know me.

And do you even really know what you're talking about anyways? I was talking about you being dead vs. Tunnok compared to THE ALLIANCE BEING DEAD vs. Despot. You're focusing this entire thing on yourself (and you call me greedy and selfish) instead of seeing what is really being compared here.

You were dead, the NM drops an expensive claw, you acted like a 5 year old.

Someone else died, and since you were the one claiming the NM that makes it ok for you to claim the mob but not anyone else.

Yeah, that's real fair. Hypocrite.

As far as your argument against them goes, they spent some time popping Despot so does that make you a piece of #$@! too for taking the NM when they died? How do they know you're not just some "retarded lucky Beastmaster passing by" just like my party was.

Edited, Apr 30th 2008 1:31pm by Annalise
#10 Apr 30 2008 at 10:10 AM Rating: Default
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Do you even know anything about the NM you were camping back then?


Much more than you do. The drop rate is so low on V-claw that instead of saying "Drops Venomous Claw." it should say "Was rumored to drop a Venomous Claw in some parallel dimension."

I've been down this path. This is where I quote you a whole bunch and insult and such, then wait while you respond in a likely manner. Truth be told, I wouldn't have done to you what your group was so quick to do to us. Like I said, that's the difference between you and I.

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As far as your argument against them goes, they spent some time popping Despot so does that make you a piece of #$@! too for taking the NM when they died? How do they know you're not just some "retarded lucky Beastmaster passing by" just like my party was.


I was in Sky for 4 hours, they showed up and the NM spawned for them in about 30 minutes. On previous occasions I've spent upwards of ten hours in Sky just trying to get a chance at a Despot fight on BST. Chances are if it spawned on that 10th hour, some jackass would just steal the NM first chance anyway.

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And do you even really know what you're talking about anyways? I was talking about you being dead vs. Tunnok compared to THE ALLIANCE BEING DEAD vs. Despot.


I know exactly what you are doing. You are comparing Big Mouth Billy to Fafnir.

This has been an issue for me in the game for years and years. It's the matter of me repeatedly being stupid enough to expect the best of people, then dim enough to forget the many examples I've seen to show the opposite. It's my opinion that the LS I mentioned, as well as yourself are part of those examples. I wish Karma was a real thing, but since I'm not so certain, the best I can do is try to point out a jackass when I see one coming.
#11 Apr 30 2008 at 10:27 AM Rating: Decent
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Much more than you do. The drop rate is so low on V-claw that instead of saying "Drops Venomous Claw." it should say "Was rumored to drop a Venomous Claw in some parallel dimension."


Apparently you don't know much more than I do, because though the rate was low, the NM is hardly useless because it does drop a highly sought after item.

So anything people shouldn't even bother doing anything with a low drop rate? No one should do Up in Arms because it has a low drop rate? I know someone who got a kclub from that, and I assure you that probably drops less than the Vclaw does from tunnok.

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I've been down this path. This is where I quote you a whole bunch and insult and such, then wait while you respond in a likely manner. Truth be told, I wouldn't have done to you what your group was so quick to do to us. Like I said, that's the difference between you and I.


You actually slung insults first, not I. That speaks a bit of your character.

And in regards to yourself, where does "us" fit in? My friends and I walked into Tunnok's room, and he was sitting there at full hp unclaimed. You were laying here on the ground, dead. For all we know, you're just some moron who aggro'd it and died, waiting on a raise. That wouldn't surprise me.

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I was in Sky for 4 hours, they showed up and the NM spawned for them in about 30 minutes. On previous occasions I've spent upwards of ten hours in Sky just trying to get a chance at a Despot fight on BST. Chances are if it spawned on that 10th hour, some jackass would just steal the NM first chance anyway.


So you should get the claim just because you've been there longer? World does work that way.

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I know exactly what you are doing. You are comparing Big Mouth Billy to Fafnir.

This has been an issue for me in the game for years and years. It's the matter of me repeatedly being stupid enough to expect the best of people, then dim enough to forget the many examples I've seen to show the opposite. It's my opinion that the LS I mentioned, as well as yourself are part of those examples. I wish Karma was a real thing, but since I'm not so certain, the best I can do is try to point out a jackass when I see one coming.


Actually I'm simply stating that a notorious monster is a notorious monster. So if something drops something that's not as good, its ok to steal it or do something wrong because it isn't worth as much? That's basically what you just said.

And I'm one of "those people"? I don't even do endgame or sky because I don't want to deal with all the drama. It brings out the worst in a lot of people, such as yourself.
I've definitely done a hell of a lot more good for people on this game than "steal people's NMs". Even on regular mobs, if I'm pulling and I see a RNG pulling something, I'm not going to quickly voke it and pull it because I can do it faster. It's his/hers. Don't even try the "holier than thou" crap because you don't even know me, and I've never even been an ******* to you. You, however, were an ******* to me. That also says something about your character.
#12 Apr 30 2008 at 10:42 AM Rating: Default
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So you should get the claim just because you've been there longer? World does work that way.


/sigh...

I'm saying that I'd actually take that into consideration. I'm saying that I'd think about what's going on, who died/wipped, how is it going to affect the person behind the character etc...

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Actually I'm simply stating that a notorious monster is a notorious monster. So if something drops something that's not as good, its ok to steal it or do something wrong because it isn't worth as much? That's basically what you just said.


I can't really make sense of this, I think you typed to hastily or are too angry, but I'm not sure what you mean.

My point is, Leeluu and I were out far away from civilization. We were spawning a NM with a horrible drop rate. One that is so notoriously horrible that nobody camps it. On top of that we had spent 2~3 hours there just to get it to spawn.

Yes I died to it, and if I remember correctly, Leeluu (75WHM) was just waiting for a good time to raise me when we'd try again and possibly not eat a Death Scissors.

Then your group wanders in, claims a worthless NM, wasts 3 hours of mine and my friends time, and practically ruined our evening.

I would have taken that into consideration.

Comparing that day to what happened to me in Sky is much much different.

The only reason I can grant logic to your argument is because you are right. It does have a chance at dropping something of value. In which case your benefit from killing the NM must outweigh the general displeasure and waste of an evening for the folks that put the work into spawning it.

Everything that can be said has pretty much been said. I apologize for insulting you. I don't however like you and that won't change. I don't really feel like arguing more though so lets stop maybe?
#13 Apr 30 2008 at 10:48 AM Rating: Decent
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FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!! In the parking lot after school!!
#14 Apr 30 2008 at 12:08 PM Rating: Decent
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The part that 'makes no sense' was because you were saying there is a big difference because Despot is to Fafnir, as Tunnok is to Big Mouth Billy. But I was saying that either way, someone died to the notorious monster. A notorious monster is a notorious monster, same courtesy rules apply.

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Yes I died to it, and if I remember correctly, Leeluu (75WHM) was just waiting for a good time to raise me when we'd try again and possibly not eat a Death Scissors.


It was -just you- there. Your friend came later to raise you. Had you popped it and you and your friend were fighting it, that would be different. I take things like that into consideration to. It's -just a game- and I'm not going to go around actively seeking to **** people off.
We came into a room with a notorious monster just sitting there, and someone laying dead on the floor. I'm pretty sure with how childishly you acted no one would have offered you the axe like we did. We did -nothing- wrong, you were just angry at us because we killed it -fairly- and you didn't get to.

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Everything that can be said has pretty much been said. I apologize for insulting you. I don't however like you and that won't change. I don't really feel like arguing more though so lets stop maybe?


Childish.

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#15 Apr 30 2008 at 12:36 PM Rating: Default
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It was -just you- there. Your friend came later to raise you. Had you popped it and you and your friend were fighting it, that would be different. I take things like that into consideration to. It's -just a game- and I'm not going to go around actively seeking to **** people off.


I am willing to bet there are 1,000 people on the server that can vouch for the fact that I was practically never separate from Leeluu when she played. Likewise, I wouldn't be ******** around with TT without her. If she wasn't there with me from the start then may god strike the Black Belt from my inventory.
#16 Apr 30 2008 at 1:44 PM Rating: Decent
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I can say for a fact....I was there (but maybe not next to the NM) I usually try to stay away from something that can kill me in less then a second.... that is why they gave WHM tractor to move the (somewhat frequently) dead Singular where he can be raised without an immediate wipe.

I am only replying to this thread because I remember that night. Singular doesn't usually mind dying repeatedly and being raised to fight the same NM over and over again until it is dead. He only warps when someone steals the fun of develing.

I also think this thread got derailed....focus people!

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#17 Apr 30 2008 at 5:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Maybe Leeluu was sneak/invis and nearby then because I know there was no one else nearby. I just remember walking in, seeing you dead, and seeing the NM. Then, "hey, that drops VClaw. Wanna try to fight it?" So we did. It was never "hey, let's steal Tunnok from that BST!"

That's about it. If you were fighting it with BST I might have watched but I'd never steal the claim from you. If things got rough (though I was a bard then) if I were on WHM I'd probably toss you a Cure V and /cheer you on. Believe it or not I actually do have some respect for BSTs because I know how horribly they can be treated. If there is one exping somewhere and my party shows up there, I'll try to tell them to move elsewhere.

I used to want to level BST a lot, so I researched it a lot, but I only took it to 20. Nevertheless I liked the people on the BST forum (and Sioux gave me my world pass for Bismarck when I came back on anna) and unlike "the majority of the ffxi non-bst community (as far as stereotypes go)" I do like BST.

Yeah, I say we end this.

If anyone ever asks, no I don't hold grudges =p

I'll buy you a stack of pet-food as a peace offering.
#18 Apr 30 2008 at 10:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Anna..you're getting soft....j/k =P
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I really cant stand this. Anna, sing Ive been around the server a LONG time. Ive ptd with you both and while i know neither of u very well I didnt get the impression either of you were asshats.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDwcJcry3fA
#20 May 01 2008 at 7:53 AM Rating: Default
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Hmmm...I wonder if he shops at Abercrombie & Fitch...
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Abercrombie & Fitch, on sale now...
#22 May 02 2008 at 11:36 AM Rating: Decent
I did not realize that the PLD (Yondaime) MPKed the BST. My understanding was that the BST was dead before the PLD voked, however if this is not the case then i give you my upmost apologies as it should have been left for you.

but to just point out when we first had claim one member of the party was AFK at the start and came back when I was 25% HP. therefore not all of us died when the BST took claim.
#23REDACTED, Posted: May 04 2008 at 3:33 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Bold Text[] Text[/]In answer to your totally irrelevant and inaccurate information regarding your claim that FoD stole your claim. which is to put it plainly and to the point a figment of your own imagination, I have never heard such inappropriate and inaccurate rubbish as u have outlined in your post.
#24 May 04 2008 at 10:40 AM Rating: Good
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I just wanted to say exactly how things were and not how you have distorted the the facts as they were, to create a squeaky clean image for yourself at the expense of others.


Everything from here till the next unquoted text is directly contradictory to the first quoted statement.

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In answer to your totally irrelevant and inaccurate information regarding your claim that FoD stole your claim.


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which is to put it plainly and to the point a figment of your own imagination,


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You were standing on the side gloating with greed poised no doubt with words of insult in readiness to insult


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And u took the claim without hestitating or indeed without any consideration of rules or etiquette


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rules I suggest as, Youmake up as u go along.



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not so surprising by your own despicable actions of theft in the first place, obviously well rehearsed before-hand


This is stated as fact. Impossible for anyone to claim without any sort of proof:

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On this occasion you were totally inaccurate and your claims were unfounded,




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as they are and not add any blown out mis-information that you consider would curry any favour on your part from the public domain.


Hasn't a severe majority<---correct way to use bold tags of your post done just that...


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Please note there are no derogatory insults throughout my post


Kinda shows otherwise right here:

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tending to lessen the merit or reputation of a person or thing; disparaging; depreciatory: a derogatory remark.



Every point of view should be taken into account, however your anger and largely obvious slant to your side of the story while seeking to make the other sides seem less legitimate while simultaneously saying you are being factual and not being derogatory is frankly an insult to everyone on this forum. You're words are there to be refuted as fact. Not that your words are fact, but the very essence that your post has not been edited yet means that how you have said things is fact. You have shown proof of your hypocrisy and it has been rebutted.

I'd care to analyze everything further as I did in the beginning but I don't have the time now.

[edit]Forgot to say why I was quoting all those things[/edit]

Edited, May 4th 2008 2:45pm by Gamion
#25 May 04 2008 at 10:44 AM Rating: Good
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Let it be known:

The public beating has not gone out of style.
#26 May 04 2008 at 3:28 PM Rating: Default
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Yes I died to it, and if I remember correctly, Leeluu (75WHM) was just waiting for a good time to raise me when we'd try again and possibly not eat a Death Scissors.


Hm, ok, If you deserved the right to raise, med, and fight it again, shouldn't the alliance who wiped to Despot been given the right to RR, med, and finish it? I've not met you in game, and I don't deal with much endgame stuff, but really it just seems to me you are angry you didn't get the kill. I admit, it sucks to be beaten to death by a purple named mob, but it's really really hard for you at this point to look innocent.

I wasn't there, so I don't know what happened, but if there truly was one member of the alliance still standing when you claimed it, that means that according to your arbitrary moral rules you stole the claim, just as they did later on. Additionally, Myst, who I also do not know and don't mean to insult, could have avoided the situation of the lost claim by using a spell more logical to claim a mob than FireIV (stun comes to mind...)

I understand you being frustrated, I really do, but yelling at them and posting insults on a public forum is really not in good taste, especially when you aren't entirely innocent in the situation.
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