OK, first off, i guess you can call me a sort of elitest.
I like people having leveled subs.
I like people having decent and updated gear.
I like people to have their key spells.
With that said here is a rant.
I am what i'd like to think am a helpful and nice person, and would like to give people advice on a job if i see they aren't used to it. If you look at my sig you can see i have played quite a few jobs to a level where i have a feel for the job, and partied with many good players of each job. Well, except maybe beastmaster, for obvious reasons. I do not go about this in the "OMGZ WHUT R U DOING NOOB" way. Usually i ask them if they would like advice, or a tip, and most people would like it.
HOWEVER, those who get defensive really, really annoy me. I try to offer them a tiny tip and they go nuts. Do these people have mental issues or just their pride apparently connected to their size of their ****?
I am ALWAYS open to tips, and comply to most requests if a party asks one of me?
I guess i just have to learn not everyone is like me and i need to keep my mouth shut.
=(
·Theme
- Forums
- FFXI Servers
- Bismarck
- I just want to help. :(
I just want to help. :(Follow
Wow, i guess i am alone after all just by looking at the post rating.
Edited, Tue Aug 17 15:57:22 2004 by KamakazeKat
Edited, Tue Aug 17 15:57:22 2004 by KamakazeKat
ouch you took a big karma hit but i knwo what you mean i am fairly new to the gaem and i enjoy a good advie wehn i can get but some ppls idea of advice is yellign at you and callign you a freaking(usealy worse alto worse) noob and then i just hit alt - ,party ,disband
if you can not tell i haev 0 tolatnce for ppl that complain abotu a player playign ablity and does not try to help them.
Edited, Tue Aug 17 16:55:17 2004 by Dnothoran
if you can not tell i haev 0 tolatnce for ppl that complain abotu a player playign ablity and does not try to help them.
Edited, Tue Aug 17 16:55:17 2004 by Dnothoran
That's completely understandable. I'm the same way. And I'm only lvl 20, so I have nothing against people helping me out and giving me advice. But then, I'm very blunt in nature. I tell things how they are, but not in a rude way. Some people just can't handle that. *shrugs*
And I don't know why people would rate this post down. =_=
And I don't know why people would rate this post down. =_=
KamakazeKat, I understand what you're saying. If you feel that you wish to offer this sort of help, you have to be prepared for the fact that some people will take this as an affront to their ego or perhaps an embarassment. Some people, when they feel that they were doing a fine job and find out otherwise, retreat into defensive anger. It's not the healthiest of responses, but it's all too common.
Incidentally, I spread around a little rate-up goodness, considering that I think you were karma-trolled.
Cheers!
Incidentally, I spread around a little rate-up goodness, considering that I think you were karma-trolled.
Cheers!
I have found there are certain people who just won't take ANY advice in this game even if it's commonly accepted. Some people you have to just be sensitive on "the approach."
Like for instance, I was in a PT last night and there was a PLD who was being overzealous when the JP members in the PT took hate away from the WHM and BLM (I was playing the BLM). He started complaining about them vokeing it off him saying "it was his job to hold hate." When I mentioned to him that they were rank 9 and 10 and that it was working just fine and we were pulling in GREAT exp, he sort of calmed down about it.
Some people you just have to approach cautiously, especially if they are obviously touchy and/or think they are "elite" when they are not.
-Tweed
Like for instance, I was in a PT last night and there was a PLD who was being overzealous when the JP members in the PT took hate away from the WHM and BLM (I was playing the BLM). He started complaining about them vokeing it off him saying "it was his job to hold hate." When I mentioned to him that they were rank 9 and 10 and that it was working just fine and we were pulling in GREAT exp, he sort of calmed down about it.
Some people you just have to approach cautiously, especially if they are obviously touchy and/or think they are "elite" when they are not.
-Tweed
Thank you for the responses and rate ups guys. ^^
Looks like I just need to be more cautious with people next time.
Looks like I just need to be more cautious with people next time.
The thing is, for every nice, helpful advice giver, there are ten "OMG STOOPID NOOB U DU NOT HAVE TEH BESTEST EQUIP YOUR STR IS 1 LOWER THAN OPTIMAL! NOOB!!" type people. This results in many people getting defensive in anticipation of that kind of abuse.
Quote:
HOWEVER, those who get defensive really, really annoy me. I try to offer them a tiny tip and they go nuts. Do these people have mental issues or just their pride apparently connected to their size of their @#%^?
I understand what you are saying. I saw a WAR/WHM in the jungles once. I told him that it was not that great of a combo. Next thing I know, I end up calling a GM on him because he begins to curse at me.
I don't know everything, but I may also have something to teach you. I won't be rude nor will I be mean. Conversely I won't get defensive and I won't be upset if you offer advice.
If someone says they are new to an area or job and I have some info to pass onto them, I will. And, I hope when I am in new areas or jobs I find someone who is willing to do the same for me.
Keep your chin up, and know for each person who freaks when you offer advice there is probably another who will appreciate it.
If someone says they are new to an area or job and I have some info to pass onto them, I will. And, I hope when I am in new areas or jobs I find someone who is willing to do the same for me.
Keep your chin up, and know for each person who freaks when you offer advice there is probably another who will appreciate it.
Winawer wrote:
KamakazeKat, I understand what you're saying. If you feel that you wish to offer this sort of help, you have to be prepared for the fact that some people will take this as an affront to their ego or perhaps an embarassment. Some people, when they feel that they were doing a fine job and find out otherwise, retreat into defensive anger. It's not the healthiest of responses, but it's all too common.
Incidentally, I spread around a little rate-up goodness, considering that I think you were karma-trolled.
Cheers!
Incidentally, I spread around a little rate-up goodness, considering that I think you were karma-trolled.
Cheers!
I agree with this post. If I could say it any better, believe me...I would.
Quote:
The thing is, for every nice, helpful advice giver, there are ten "OMG STOOPID NOOB U DU NOT HAVE TEH BESTEST EQUIP YOUR STR IS 1 LOWER THAN OPTIMAL! NOOB!!" type people. This results in many people getting defensive in anticipation of that kind of abuse.
I am totally freaking serious.
I have to say, that I hesitate before offering advice to people.
Is it really truly my place, when I see a lvl 30 war/thf to tell him that maybe that choice of sub isn't the greatest? Where is the line that shows where it ceases to be his game to choose and play what he wants to play?
All I can say is that if I'm forming a party that he won't be the first I ask. And that if I do ask I may inquire as to whether or not he can change his sub.
There are two instances I don't mind offering advise;
1 - In party. If there is someone in the party that is doing something that is hindering our abilities to do our jobs then I'll be sure to say something. When the paladin fails to provoke right away when I come with a pull "every" time and then yells at the Ninja for provoking. I'll side with the Ninja and suggest the Paladin provoke faster. I don't enjoy getting 200 hp eaten away at the beginning of each fight and I don't think the whm does either. (not bitter about that experience, hehe)
2 - Linkshell and friends. I have no problem helping out new members of my linkshell and giving them advice. Alot of times members will ask for advice on equipment and leveling zones. We talk about importance of what they want to do and in what direction they want to focus their jobs and I'll offer advice I think will help them reach their goals.
But overall, I tend to not meddle and don't offer advise unless asked or if it's effecting myself or my party directly.
Is it really truly my place, when I see a lvl 30 war/thf to tell him that maybe that choice of sub isn't the greatest? Where is the line that shows where it ceases to be his game to choose and play what he wants to play?
All I can say is that if I'm forming a party that he won't be the first I ask. And that if I do ask I may inquire as to whether or not he can change his sub.
There are two instances I don't mind offering advise;
1 - In party. If there is someone in the party that is doing something that is hindering our abilities to do our jobs then I'll be sure to say something. When the paladin fails to provoke right away when I come with a pull "every" time and then yells at the Ninja for provoking. I'll side with the Ninja and suggest the Paladin provoke faster. I don't enjoy getting 200 hp eaten away at the beginning of each fight and I don't think the whm does either. (not bitter about that experience, hehe)
2 - Linkshell and friends. I have no problem helping out new members of my linkshell and giving them advice. Alot of times members will ask for advice on equipment and leveling zones. We talk about importance of what they want to do and in what direction they want to focus their jobs and I'll offer advice I think will help them reach their goals.
But overall, I tend to not meddle and don't offer advise unless asked or if it's effecting myself or my party directly.
As long as you offer the advice in a friendly and curtious fashion, try to remain calm and helpful, and don't try to push it too much onto someone, there is no problam what-so-ever with advice. While i don't appreciate it being shoved down my throat, especially in a rude fashion, I adore when those with more knowledge and experience than I offer small tidbits and calmly guide me through difficulties.
Kudos to you KK.
Kudos to you KK.
because u didnt have leaping boots and a hairpin?..
some people just are really rich, and assume that everyone can have the same ammount of money as they do.
also, sometimes its really hard for a new person to accept help, since they are new, and don't want to be called a n00b...
plus some people just dont take advice at all
one time there was a sam/war using a polearm.
i guess its ok..
but i told him that great katanas are very good for samurai
he just yelled at me and told me that i am a b**** and shouldnt be mean to people....
lol
some people just are really rich, and assume that everyone can have the same ammount of money as they do.
also, sometimes its really hard for a new person to accept help, since they are new, and don't want to be called a n00b...
plus some people just dont take advice at all
one time there was a sam/war using a polearm.
i guess its ok..
but i told him that great katanas are very good for samurai
he just yelled at me and told me that i am a b**** and shouldnt be mean to people....
lol
I have to say that most people I give advice to accept it and appreciate my help. But yes there is always that one person that has a huge ego or it might be cuz he/she is having a bad day. Don't let it get to you. Just tell them you were just trying to help and back off of them. You don't need it to turn into a huge arguement. Keep helping people. You may not see the fruits of your labor immediately, but maybe later on you see that BLM/WAR or whatever pass by you as a BLM/WHM with good equipment and all of their spells. There is satisfaction in knowing that you helped someone and they did what you suggested. It gives you a sense of pride that you helped someone. That's what keeps me mentoring. Oh well, didn't mean to make this a rant. ^^; Good luck.
Rate up for all. ^^
------------------
Chisusu
Windurst Rank 5
39BLM/WHM
Rate up for all. ^^
------------------
Chisusu
Windurst Rank 5
39BLM/WHM
Recent Visitors: 124
All times are in CST
Anonymous Guests (124)
- Forums
- FFXI Servers
- Bismarck
- I just want to help. :(
© 2024 Fanbyte LLC