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#102 Sep 20 2004 at 2:16 PM Rating: Decent
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I shall call you whatever I want =P I may be younger then you but I am not little...crazy european lol

^^ We need to party again sometime.
#103 Sep 20 2004 at 4:04 PM Rating: Decent
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That we definately have to do, little girl. :]
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#104 Sep 21 2004 at 12:04 AM Rating: Decent
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Darkane is a nice person who helped out my static in Altepa about a week and a half ago. Thanks bunches! :)

Oblivious is another nice person who helped me help a friend and another person get their Palborough keys tonight. Thanks again!
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#105 Sep 21 2004 at 5:48 AM Rating: Decent
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Ohh wow I was mentioned. I didn't know I was knowned. lol.

I guess I'll add on to the list. Though I can't remember many. I'll just add the few that come to mind.

Sanjuro- definitely agree there. He's the only PLD I've seen who can keep hate away from me (a RNG/NIN).

Elulith- Great WHM. Really nice person too.

Greatwolf- first person I really met in the game. Actually taught me how to PT or at least partner up.

LS ShadowServants- my LS, they've helped me with everything.

Umm that's all I can think of for now.
#106 Sep 21 2004 at 11:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Recently got invited to a group for M5-1 fight with the Archlich in Fei Yin by Stephie and Silversnow. I had been trying to get this done for a long while, and I have to thank them for letting me join up.
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#107 Sep 22 2004 at 6:52 AM Rating: Default
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Cool player RPGLord has come across... Now that is funny. Maybe he means cool players that have covered for him on his garrision scams. Or maybe he doesnt think people remember he switched to quartermaster in the middle of battle to gain all the treasure. Beware, anyone cool with him, can possibly be an accomplice.
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#108 Sep 22 2004 at 10:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Cool player RPGLord has come across... Now that is funny. Maybe he means cool players that have covered for him on his garrision scams.


I think there's no way he's done the scam, the way I know the guy and we've ben on same LS almost since he found the LS ( he's our leader). Are you ABSOLUTELY sure that he was doing the scam? Please do not denigrate him if you're not 100% sure of this.
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#109 Sep 22 2004 at 2:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Now, just to say I am not one to usually respond to posts in general bt I just had to respond to the recent one made by Fielly. The problem I am having with understanding his logic and reasoning is really bugging me. Not only did he not state anything about who his character is in FFXI (trying to hide something?) the whole concept of "claiming" scams is a touchy subject. For all we know this guy could be just a troller feeling like causing problems or he could have a grudge against Rpglord. However, beyond those obivous problems there is another. By his logic, anyone "cool" with Rpglord may be a scammer. So lets take this in context. I break a window, and ou are walking your dog and happen to pass by. You don't notice me breaking the window but you start up a conservation and we become friends. By the poster's logic you would be equally responsible for the window despiting not knowing that I was the one who broke it.

Perhaps that example is a bit too hard to understand. I will try to put his logic in FFXI terms. Let us say for a second Rpglord did commit garrison scam. By this poster's logic, being in the same LS, becoming friends no matter the time or knowledge of events immediately brands you as a scammer merely by assosciation. Flawed logic? Of course.

I welcome any feedback or counter-arguments and I hope you understand my position.

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#110 Sep 22 2004 at 3:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Very good post, Ush, my friend. :)

Edit: btw miss you . :( Heard from your irl friend that you've been working a lot lately + the university stuff.

Edited, Wed Sep 22 16:18:45 2004 by Aaveraiskaaaja
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#111 Sep 22 2004 at 7:01 PM Rating: Default
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Now Ushall, we both know he did it... or do you not remember the conversation I had with you about it in La Theines that day. A life long friend... who you have to cover for because he is an IRL friend who you've know since you were like... what 7 years old? Or so your story goes. I told you then I understood that you felt you had to cover for him and I almost forgave you for the part you played in his deception... but now you are lying for him again. He stole from a lot of people and people are holding him up as an honest player. I can not abide by this when I know it is not true. Has your memory truly forsaken you, or are you still covering for him. Because what little credit I gave you for being honest in La Theines that day is completely blown. Phrases like I don't approve of all the things he does, but he is my real life friend and I couldn't call him out to the group, you have to understand that...

And I did... but it saddens me to see that you are out and out lying for him now. Because that is all on you. That is your choice to do so. He isnt making you post.
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#112 Sep 22 2004 at 7:47 PM Rating: Default
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Fielly, is this really the place for this? and still you fail to mention your name... <Hmmm.> Maybe you are a scammer eh?
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#113 Sep 22 2004 at 8:29 PM Rating: Default
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Fielly this is supposed to be a happy and upbeat thread. If you have beef with me take it up in game. Or in some other thread but not here.
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#114 Sep 22 2004 at 9:15 PM Rating: Default
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You must really read the message before posting, Fielly. I don't like being dragged into these kinds of things or equally defending anyones actions other than situations where I was somehow directly involved in whatever act was in question. I think Cougar brings it up best when he says you continue to fail to ID yourself and merely my post was not defending any actions or denying any actions but rather my two cents on the logic that you used in your post. I don't like these little squabbles and quite frankly I have learned to only do garrison or other such events with people I trust. I believe that everyone has their bad days or makes their mistakes and perhaps one can choose to judge them on this one sole action. Basically, the point of my entire post before was more to answer to the logic of your post rather than defend/refute/whatever else you can interrupt it as.

Fielly basically in your response what you have done is something that is often used in arguments. Instead of responding to my challenge of logic you have merely diverted the subject to a personal attack. I would like, at the very least, a "reputable" response to what you think of my logic instead of a personal attack. In my eyes, one who goes for the personal attack admits defeat in the argument as they do not post logically, intelligent answers and starts a "words" war with the other poster. You can easily prove me wrong by posting a response to my logic. Again, as I have said, I do not like discussing scams and other such nonsense as I am one not to get involved in it unless I am directly involved in the situation.

Personally, all these "scam topics", are like the tabloids to me. Filled with garbage or something I don't care about. I don't believe anyone deserves to be dug into the ground and hated by all because of select people either, A. Making up a story or B. Because someone made the wrong choice. Blame it on socialist Canada but I believe we have all made mistakes and we all deserve to be judged not on one action but judged after much interaction and person to person experience (ie partying) A good example might be a situation where I'm having a bad day and I say ********** it all" and I, in the heat of the moment, do something irrational. Does that mean I am a bad person? No, I just made a single mistake and would, hopefully, regret sometime later if not immediately after the action. However, one who does this same action multiple times without regret truly does deserve some sort of backlash.

Fielly, I dobut very highly that some time in your real life or FFXI life you have made a choice that was not the best or that you regret later on. I know I have and if I had the chance I would apoligize and offer to make it up to the people I hurt. But, by the logic in your response post you are suggesting that a person who makes a SINGLE bad choice should be castrated. As the auto-translate function might say [No, thanks].

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#115 Sep 23 2004 at 1:03 AM Rating: Decent
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Hey got some new names for the List here.

Bleacher- Taru WHM cool guy... know his business.. he is an up and comer like me so look for him.

Chaoslord- Galka WHM no Astral Rings... but one of the best WHM I have played with.

They and I are much lower level that most of the people posting here or being posted about, but even low levels deserve some credit once in a while. And besides Good low level players turn into awesome High level players.
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#116 Sep 23 2004 at 6:29 AM Rating: Default
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All I am saying is that I am sick of hearing how great a particular player is when I know the truth. What happens to other people who who read this and think this guy is honest.

If I have a lapse in judgement, (though I would never steal from other players) I would make sure I at least apologized for my behavior rather than continuing to do it and having my friends cover for me.

How would you like to hear that the guy who killed your party on purpose just for fun, or stole your account was this great person? Are you being responsible if you let him do it again to others? No.

I don't care who knows who I am and Ushall should know by now. Its no secret. I am Zia.

Finally your responses either mean you have either pulled similar scams, or you are part of his LS/ friends consortium. And as for RPGLord... I notice you didn't deny it.
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#117 Sep 23 2004 at 8:43 AM Rating: Default
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I like the lapse and connections you are able to make by twisting my words. I simply am not answering whether he did it or not because that the exact events are only known to Rpglord. Plus that is a matter between the person who did it and the person who got "scammed", not his LS, not his friends, because they have nothing to do with it. A good example might be that your LS would defend that you don't buy gil on the basis that one person accussed you of doing so. Based on their knowledge and experience with you, you are a good person who would never do such a thing. Therefore, does it not make sense, logically, for them to defend you? Of course it does. So by inciting what a natural reaction for friends to do, which is to defend fellow friends when faced with allegations that carry very little proof, you suddenly accuse them of being behind some grand conspriacy? No offense, but that seems much like an alien story. Something like you think the whole world is against you etc.

The fact of the matter is this, the alleged scam is indeed no scam at all for a simple reason. The garrisons in questions, serving my memory has not been juggled, was unsuccessful during each attempt. And as I remember that would mean only garrison pieces (leg, feet) would be avilable for lotting. And if I remember correctly you are only able to carry one of each (one leg and one pair of feet). So at most, this "scam" would have been able to net Rpglord, one piece of each. Of course, at this time the pieces would have netted between 20-40k each (as the garrison's in question occcured 3-4 months ago). I'm not sure why this was not brought up then, that fact seems odd to me but beyond that the fact the most possible things he could have "stolen" was indeed 2 items out of the many (say 20 or more) that would have dropped in the roughly 3 or more garrisons that were attempted.

As for the question of forgiveness. Unless the "Scammer" did a severe scam one that is astronomical which I think 80k, the one in question, is rather small then no grudge should be held. Now if further stories emerge of similar smaller attempts then that person deserves what is coming to them. But as I said before we all make bad choices so I believe in a system where one bad choice is not horrible (depending on size of it) but repeated offences is.
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#118 Sep 23 2004 at 10:38 AM Rating: Decent
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Just wanted to point out, Ush, that you are being just as manipulative in your wording as Zia is, if not even more so. You have taken his/her one single sentence: "Maybe he means cool players that have covered for him on his garrision scams." and based all your posts on that sentence and twisting of that sentence such as: "But, by the logic in your response post you are suggesting that a person who makes a SINGLE bad choice should be castrated."

The fact is (and this is starting to become a familiar scenario), both parties involved are picking and choosing the accusations they respond to at this point, rather than trying to settle the actual issue at hand. So nothing is going to be accomplished here except people dragging other peoples' names through the mud, just like what happened between Lordcecil and Sinsshadow. So you should all just quite while you're ahead unless you have a real argument to present.
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#119 Sep 23 2004 at 12:21 PM Rating: Default
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In any argument, one chooses and picks points they disagree with. I felt that one particular aspect of Zia's argument was up for debate so logically I felt the need to pick away at it. I will admit that Zia did not go out on a leg and suggest what I am suggesting. But what Zia has done through the words is suggest such a notion without directly stating it. This hidden sugession is my point of argument. I feel that this is unfair to the numerous peoples who are not involved in this situation in anyway. Zia is basically branding these people without really knowing anything about them, or knowing what their knowledge of the events is. I believe that in any of these "scam" events it is more a conflict between the scammer and the person who was scammed. And we as third parties can offer opinions but we can not do much more.

If FFXI forums such as this one were courts of justice I for one would not want to participate in their system. The lack of fair justice displayed in these scam topics is the perfect example. For example, I could start a topic saying "X Name is a scammer" and make a wonderful story. The reaction would be many people blacklisting the name I put there or generally having a negative reaction. But one must ask themselves, what are circumstances behind the events?, are there personal reasons for such a claim?, what defence or recount of events can be given by the alleged scammer/third parties (character witnesses, other pty members)? These forums unfortunely tend to judge from a story posted by a single poster when the only real evidence is the recount of events by that single player. One may also ask why would someone go out of their way for that? Well, as we all know the human dynamic can be confusing, suprising etc etc. So basically my answer to that is humans are humans and humans do stupid things sometimes.
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#120 Sep 23 2004 at 2:00 PM Rating: Default
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"All I am saying is that I am sick of hearing how great a particular player is when I know the truth.What happens to other people who who read this and think this guy is honest."

No one on this board said i was great .... i was just saying who i thought was great.

If I have a lapse in judgement, (though I would never steal from other players) I would make sure I at least apologized for my behavior rather than continuing to do it and having my friends cover for me.

I did apoligize and have never done anything like that since. Also i offered to help ppl get the items the next day to which they said "No Thanks". And i didnt ask anyone to cover for me.... they choose to.

Finally your responses either mean you have either pulled similar scams, or you are part of his LS/ friends consortium. And as for RPGLord... I notice you didn't deny it.

Of course i didnt deny it ... i know what i did was horrible.... but accusing Ush of things when yu dont even know him is not acceptable... attacking ppl i know is cowardly Zia. Call me what yu want i was still quite the n00b at the time and made one of the biggest sins in FFXI.... i'm sorry for what i did and havent done it since and will never do it again.
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#121 Sep 24 2004 at 2:46 AM Rating: Good
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Hey, no offense to you guys, but could you possibly move this argument to a new thread?

I keep noticing there's been a new post made and I keep hoping to see another nice person on Asura, but instead I keep seeing the same junk over and over. And it's junk I don't want to read. Especially on this thread.
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#122 Sep 24 2004 at 3:27 AM Rating: Decent
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I totally agree with Kitamalina ( rate up). This is supposed to be "happy" topic, so if anyone's not willing let this just pass, please proceed in "not so cool people you've come across".
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#123 Sep 24 2004 at 1:55 PM Rating: Decent
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I also agree and said for it to go elsewhere but it continued here.
hopefully it is done now.

Cool player i met recently
- Kurt.....something lvl 75 whm helped me get a Eldieme Coffer Key
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#124 Sep 24 2004 at 4:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Yay! I made the list! Woot

Figured I oughtta step in and try to turn this thread around...

Manchild - Galka pld...Gotta love 'em. Really cool guy, fun to party with. He's been a linkshell buddy of mine for a while, every now and then we'll go on a wacky AF adventure or something. Dude, you gotta catch up with me so we can party again, as Galka pld and Taru drk.

Alqua - Very nice WHM. Doesn't mind going back into a place after escaping from a bad pull to give you a raise. If you see her lfp, grab her as soon as you can!

Fluffy - Another fun WHM. Even though she always wants to play taru football...

Happypants - I'm noticing a WHM trend...Very funny guy.

Zanzibar - recently recruited into my new linkshell; very spirited and will never forget that this is a game, not a job.

Crunchymunchy - Talented RDM, always has good advice.

Nyran - one of my best friends in-game, known her since I was a lowly lvl 7 rdm. Even though I blew her away in levels and we couldn't party anymore, we still remained friends. You're awesome; get your *** back online! LoL


And I gotta give a shoutout to my old linkshell, RedRocket. Great people; I would've quit the game a long time ago if I didn't find them after Taruworldorder split. Thanks guys!

Forgive me if I forgot anyone; if you see me in game...Slap me or something.
#125 Sep 25 2004 at 3:44 AM Rating: Decent
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Deadlyweapon - saved me from evil aggro mob :(
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Pergatory - I was in a coffer key pty for Ohshoet in Devoi yesterday and Pergatory was MOST HELPFUL! THANK YOU SOOOOOOO MUCH!
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