Gil farmers?Follow

Hello everyone,

I am wondering about a group of players that I saw in Val Dunes about three nights ago. They all have a name of Lifeaa, Lifebb, Lifecc, etc. I think there were five of them at that time.

Anyway, I noticed that some other servers have been having problems with gil farmers ruining their servers' economies. So I wanted to ask if the folks I saw are gil farmers.

I apologize in advance if I am mistaken about these people. However, at the time I saw them, they were in the mid-level teens and killing things fast. So it would not take long for them to be able to farm stronger mobs.

Thanks for everyone's feedback!

Tynie

Watch out for the Apple's though. They will hit you up for money like nobody's business. I got hit up by Applea and Applef all on the same day.

LOL... yep, except they don't really beg, more like they demand. Like "You give me 1500 gils."

Ummm.... how about no.

/sea all....

*Apple
*Baby
*Life
*Jw
*Angel
*Xiao
and the newest ones (added like 2 days ago)...
*Red
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heres a conversation @ Lower Jeuno AH yesterday: (all in /t btw)

Applef: Give me 50000gils
Bludwulf ignores retarded gilfarmer::
Applef: Give me 50000gils
Applef: now
Bludwulf: Bad ass, i could use the extra money
::Bludwulf offers to trade with Applef::
::2 minutes of nothing with trade menu open::
::trade cancelled::
Appplef: you give me gils
Bludwulf: you said you were gonna gimme 50000g
Bludwulf: you liar!!
Applef: no you give me gils
Bludwulf: oooh you want me to give you something
Applef: yes
::Applef offers to trade with Bludwulf::
::Bludwulf cancels trade::
Bludwulf:: here i got sumthin for ya
Bludwulf gives Applef the finger and a big fat {/blist}.
::Bludwulf /blist add Applef::
::Bludwulf uses a scroll of Instant Warp::
::Bludwulf vanishes!::

You forgot about the Blue's.

The problem with Gil farmers is one of supply and demand. They only do what they do because idiots actually go out and buy gil online so they can buy themselves the greatest equipment. If the morons that buy gil online would stop doing it then it would not be profitable for the Gil farmers to do what they do.

Just curious...with the farmers stealing mining and logging points, do they inflate the prices of ores and lumbers as well when they sell at the AH?

If there is so much of any item, the price would eventually go down since people would want to dump their stuff....and that goes the same for farmers.

So if prices go down for ores and lumber, that should somewhat help the crafters level their tradeskills faster.

As for prices for nm drops, as people said earlier, as long as people are buying at the outrageous prices, the AH price for those items will stay up. However, even people who buy gil online only have a finite number of gil to spend as well...so unless they are rich in real life, they can go for uber items/gear only for so long.

In the meantime, it might be good for crafters to skill up while there is an abundance of materials for them to work with (if prices are cheap). And when prices spike up again, go out in the field and level jobs again.

So I guess what I am saying is that even gil farmers can not have it all since they can not cover all the items and all the mining/logging points all at the same time. By paying attention to prices, regular players can still find a way of playing more intelligently...by going after drops that are also in demand, even if those are at lower AH prices. Again, don't forget to pump up trade skills when prices are low.

Good luck everyone.

Thanks,
Tynie

i dunt tihnk jw are gil farmers hell i partied w/ them at crawlers nest and the last time i checked jwf lvl'ed like crazy -.- (stupid subjob for DRG -.-;;) so now im stuck at 40 -.-;; and they getting like WHOA lol but i dunt tihnk they gil farmers i mean like i dunt really care as long as they earn it-.-

Bringing up the apples for a moment more...

They seem to actually be putting in an effort to level these days :P I guess the farming just wasn't good enough for their payroll where they were.

Nowadays they seem to have migrated to the CN where at last report they are still ruining the levelling experience of a friend of mine who has the misfortune of always ending up where they are. Watch for endless trains at CN for a while (more than usual anyway).

*blinks*

You have a gil seller in your ls???

WTF...

Sorry, bad response. How is he/she in an actual ls?...

::sighs::
Sadly, I was just in the Crawler's Nest and the apple were there. I was *hoping* they actually going legit, but nope. They were pulling soldier crawlers, making insane soldier trains, porting out, and leaving whichever unfortunate group near them to die.

It would be great if we could get a server wide revolt against them and steal their kills and chain mobs on them for once, but I doubt that will ever happen.

New Gilfarmer name >> /sea all Babay. Thier r more then u think I found single Gilfarmers maybe other series left them. But all of them have simliar name. or a random freeUYT, freekgjy, freekshe. You get the point neway Ive been seeing alot of suspects.

/em Kahlane smiles warmly to her friend Kayden

YOU!!! Someone actually took you for a gil farmer!!! LMAO.

Totally agrees with kayden. Aside from that I dont think when you see a group of ppl with all similar names they are GUARANTEED gil farmers LOL! Now maybe im just ignorent of the gil farming practice, but in the dunes when I was hanging out there raising ppl, I notice this group of players all with red in their name.

So someone yells out gill farmers and im thinking hey maybe ...but then considering they were killing ordinary flies etc and checked me out a few times...I dont think they were gil farming! I even sent them a tell and talked to one of them with the uni translator...now I dont know where they were from, but our conversation went along the lines of (me)Hi how are you if you need any help let me know etc...They responded with a thanks and in broken english where should we camp in the dunes for fast xp? Now that doesnt souind like a gil farmin operation to me..LOL

Maybe...just maybe some ppl in this game have a similar name and arent farming gil..Hey i am sure this point can be argued in every which direction, but I gotta say my piece!

And look Im not from CHINA but could you all please stop assuming everyone is from CHINA and a gil farmer...thats disrespectful in my books...

Um, perhaps they are leveling up their characters so they can camp the higher level NM's....

/kneels respectfully before Kayden...then tips over from laughing loud.

Hey, Kayden, maybe you should go anonymous or be known as "The Alexander Player formerly Known as Kayden."

I think that staying in one area should not be held against any player. Case in point: when I was dirt poor (and I am still very poor!) and just starting out, I was making galkan sausages for additional income and for use as short-term replacement to meat mithkabobs.

I was staying in N. Gustaberg a lot and would farm on the sheep and goblins in the area. But I never told anyone who went to the same area to buzz off or would I try to compete against someone who was clearly leveling. I find it funny when I have to stand in line (I think 5th in line was the worst), when people were milking Bubbly Bernie.

Ok...what was I talking about?

Oh yeah...back to gilfarmers. If SE is to "officially" sell gil for prices lower than the gilfarmers, then we will really begin to move towards inflated prices. Currently, most items (I hope) are still affordable with regular gil-raising activities. But when you encourage a good portion of the server players to start buying up gil, then you would truly see what inflation does. Russia is a prime example of what inflated prices can do to an economy.

Currently, the high prices are somewhat concentrated on items that have high demand. But if you infuse the economy with more money, 1gil could easily become 10gil. An item that typically costs 500 gil would now cost 5000 gil. So again, prices still move according to demand and so, even higher-level items can still be cheap if there is not enough demand for it. Conversely, items like the emperor's hairpin, even though a low-level item, is expensive because many people want it AND are willing to pay the high prices.

In the end, if you are raising money in-game, I do not think that you should feel discouraged that the ideal gear for your character and level are very expensive. In-game, as in real life, very few people can afford all the nice things. However, we make do with what we have and most of us would splurge every now and then when we have the money....so why would a game be any different?

Yeah...get yourself that emp hairpin when you can afford it....but does it stop there? Will you be happy once you get it? Amazingly enough, this game is teaching me more about life...to be more patient, thrifty, and how to train mobs on gilfarmers....Kayden excluded (again, Kayden is not a farmer!).

/em picks himself up from the floor.
/em bow

Thanks,
Tynie

No, it doesn't have to be HUGE and DRASTIC. Something of that nature would change the game in a HUGE and DRASTIC way. We want to stop gilselling, NOT the game itself.

A lot of ideas, and some good ones at that, are being tossed around on this thread.

Please check them out. The solution is through simplicity.

EDIT: Fixed Link

Edited, Mon Sep 27 20:15:33 2004 by Webjunky

I personally think this idea is genius:



I personally wouldn't mind spending a few hours screwing overthe gilfarmers that are hunting NM's (known gil farmers, not actual players)

Oh! I know I've seen the argument that the gilfarmers are just people that are trying to feed their family's, make a little money, whatever. That would be fine if they weren't making a living off of making other people miserable. If they legitamely farmed all day without disrupting other players game experience, I wouldn't have a problem with them doing this to feed their family's. The thing is though, they disrupt people's gameplay. I know I had to stop leveling whm for a while just because I did a '/sea all apple' and saw the apples were in the Crawlers Nest (which is where I wanted to level). Just reminding people that they aren't doing an innocent trade, they are going against the EULA by almost everything they do.

Alright, so I've never mined before because I generally try to sty away from the whole Bastk region (hoards and hoards of people talking in shouts), but I have a quick question about mining: if they can take a spot from you as you're mining, can't you do the same to them?

If so, this would be like the above idea with the NM's and another thing to screw them over on. When they start mining, just give them a taste of their own medicine and take their spots.

Speaking as someone who logs in Gheselba (where the gil farmers are logging) I have to say that they're pretty good about not stealing points. If they do it once and you bitch them out they stop stealing yours. Not to say they won't steal others who don't stand up.

And Bots... I don't know what to say about that. But it's very frustrating to get into Giddeus and see 6 or more players camping the Yag NM that drops the Monster Signa. They're all anon and have no subjobs and rank 1... I don't know if that's botting or just more gil farmers (they don't have the same character names like Apple or Red)

I wish I had a solution... it's getting really bad and I wonder if the migration will make the problem better or worse.

thats a GREAT idea...

i have seen many people saying that the people who cant afford to pay real money for gil would get screwed over because they couldnt out-compete the people who can. at the same time new people starting out dont know the best way to raise cash, and are getting screwed over by the people who do (not having a go, just an observation)

this way, you could start out, pay out for a certain amount of gil, then once your settled and able to craft/log/mine/fish at a competitive level you can sell that gil back, making back the money you spent to get started in free server time..

superb!!!
/cheer

thats put a smile on my face that has!

i guess that'd be up to SE tho, if they set a small pool that would be a problem, tho too high and inflation would again be a problem..

i'm not an economist, i dont claim to know the answer, it just seems to me that the best way to remove gilfarmers is to beat them at their own game, IE remove their customer base.

i've not had any problems with them camping things i want, but then i'm still low lvl ^^

like i said if it bothers you that much just go and do what they do...but lower the prices to normal rate...you think someone will? not likely...most people see a 50k in crease and just think more money for them and sell then. that my friends is why gil sellers win, co-operation with each other and a necesity to do good...the actual values coming out of this game in the biggest criminals of this game...go figure. Now if only you people could learn the same thing we'd all be more happy

No, the exploit has do to with using an older version if FFXI (won't give details because I don't want people doing it because it's worse than gil farmers) and modyfing several files to get by the updates so they can take a single item (gil) out of ther delievery box several times.