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#1 Sep 09 2004 at 1:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Hello everyone,

I am wondering about a group of players that I saw in Val Dunes about three nights ago. They all have a name of Lifeaa, Lifebb, Lifecc, etc. I think there were five of them at that time.

Anyway, I noticed that some other servers have been having problems with gil farmers ruining their servers' economies. So I wanted to ask if the folks I saw are gil farmers.

I apologize in advance if I am mistaken about these people. However, at the time I saw them, they were in the mid-level teens and killing things fast. So it would not take long for them to be able to farm stronger mobs.

Thanks for everyone's feedback!

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#2 Sep 09 2004 at 2:02 PM Rating: Decent
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I think they are, but I'm not entirely sure.

This morning I had 1 of them ask me for a pearl to join my Linkshell in english, I heard gilfarmers are usually chinese and very few understand english; this is of course only what I heard.

#3 Sep 09 2004 at 2:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Watch out for the Apple's though. They will hit you up for money like nobody's business. I got hit up by Applea and Applef all on the same day.
#4 Sep 10 2004 at 4:31 AM Rating: Decent
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Ahahaha I just find something funny about a Gilfarmer begging.
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#5 Sep 10 2004 at 7:15 AM Rating: Decent
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LOL... yep, except they don't really beg, more like they demand. Like "You give me 1500 gils."

Ummm.... how about no.
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Apples,Lifes,Jw,and Baby, all gilfarmers... now about the Baby I think thier might be a couple of baby..somethings that might not be. Do.. /sea all apple , /sea all Life , /sea all jw , /sea all baby. Most have Rank1/no sub, or <anon>And r usually together. They think I am chinese because of my name heh.. Plz dont help these ppl and encourage them to continue there work. They r paid as a job to make gil. We pay to play, they take mobs, they train gobs, they disband if pty is in trouble. They r horrible players. RUN AWAY! lol They serounded me and Mini and kept traden to me over and over I need 2000gil...Give gil plz..I need 2000 gil I need it. And they girl one told Mini she loved him.. That was funny lol.. So ya they gilfarmers to look out for.
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#7 Sep 16 2004 at 4:34 AM Rating: Decent
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/sea all....

*Apple
*Baby
*Life
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and the newest ones (added like 2 days ago)...
*Red
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heres a conversation @ Lower Jeuno AH yesterday: (all in /t btw)

Applef: Give me 50000gils
Bludwulf ignores retarded gilfarmer::
Applef: Give me 50000gils
Applef: now
Bludwulf: Bad ass, i could use the extra money
::Bludwulf offers to trade with Applef::
::2 minutes of nothing with trade menu open::
::trade cancelled::
Appplef: you give me gils
Bludwulf: you said you were gonna gimme 50000g
Bludwulf: you liar!!
Applef: no you give me gils
Bludwulf: oooh you want me to give you something
Applef: yes
::Applef offers to trade with Bludwulf::
::Bludwulf cancels trade::
Bludwulf:: here i got sumthin for ya
Bludwulf gives Applef the finger and a big fat {/blist}.
::Bludwulf /blist add Applef::
::Bludwulf uses a scroll of Instant Warp::
::Bludwulf vanishes!::
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#8 Sep 16 2004 at 5:31 AM Rating: Decent
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There are few thing about those gilfarm.

when u saw them in mining spots, well they will come over and steal your unmined mining points. or camp a mining point. which it was never happened before i saw all those name in the server.

yet gil farms suit for "Rich" craftsman since they need as many ore as possible to skill up.

With new Europe players rush in, those gilfarm will mostly ruin a friendly enviroment which Alexander have maintained.

There is no respect either displinces for most of gilfarms.
#9 Sep 16 2004 at 12:40 PM Rating: Decent
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You forgot about the Blue's.
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#10 Sep 16 2004 at 12:49 PM Rating: Decent
I am from the Bismarck Server, but I could not help but notice your thread. We have a MAJOR problem with Gilfarmers...

You might want to search for any of these folks/gilfarmer clans listed below:

Jerrys
Toms
Redapples
Zooes
Demebaud
Redmagic
Carmon
Woodfor
Mimigirl
Mimibaby
Ok and some of their major camp areas are:
Valkurm Emperor-Dunes E-8
Argus-Maze J-9
Mee Deggi The Punisher-Castle Oztroja H-8
Hawkeyed Dnatbat-Davoi L-9
Stroper Chyme-Ordelles Caves H-5
Poisonhand Gnadgad Davoi G-6

(borrowed from Magvius' post at <http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=35&mid=10949297022327255&num=13>)

I don't know if they have made their way to your server, but if they have watch out for 'em.

On Bismarck, we have problems with them stealing logging points, and mining points, and camping NMs 24/7/365. No joke. On top of that, they then put the NM drops up on the AH for HUGLELY inflated prices. It is really really disturbing...

Have the gil sellers been messing with your AH markets like they have ours?

Edited, Thu Sep 16 13:51:51 2004 by Nightsintdreams
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#11 Sep 16 2004 at 1:04 PM Rating: Decent
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The problem with Gil farmers is one of supply and demand. They only do what they do because idiots actually go out and buy gil online so they can buy themselves the greatest equipment. If the morons that buy gil online would stop doing it then it would not be profitable for the Gil farmers to do what they do.
#12 Sep 16 2004 at 1:27 PM Rating: Decent
I know, and it makes a LOT of players on our server mad. After all a person who does not work at all to get the good stuff in the game cannot possibly have true knowledge of the world around him/her. How can one know what mobs drop what crystals (very useful for rank points or for synthesis) if you never go out for them? How can a player possibly be able to sustain themselves once the gil runs out on food or ammo if he or she is not able to make it him or herself?

Besides, I believe it goes against what the Goddess of the Dawn would wish Her children to do. It simply is not in the spirit of Vana'diel at all.
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#13 Sep 16 2004 at 1:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Just curious...with the farmers stealing mining and logging points, do they inflate the prices of ores and lumbers as well when they sell at the AH?

If there is so much of any item, the price would eventually go down since people would want to dump their stuff....and that goes the same for farmers.

So if prices go down for ores and lumber, that should somewhat help the crafters level their tradeskills faster.

As for prices for nm drops, as people said earlier, as long as people are buying at the outrageous prices, the AH price for those items will stay up. However, even people who buy gil online only have a finite number of gil to spend as well...so unless they are rich in real life, they can go for uber items/gear only for so long.

In the meantime, it might be good for crafters to skill up while there is an abundance of materials for them to work with (if prices are cheap). And when prices spike up again, go out in the field and level jobs again.

So I guess what I am saying is that even gil farmers can not have it all since they can not cover all the items and all the mining/logging points all at the same time. By paying attention to prices, regular players can still find a way of playing more intelligently...by going after drops that are also in demand, even if those are at lower AH prices. Again, don't forget to pump up trade skills when prices are low.

Good luck everyone.

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#14 Sep 16 2004 at 2:15 PM Rating: Decent
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#15 Sep 16 2004 at 2:24 PM Rating: Decent
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i dunt tihnk jw are gil farmers hell i partied w/ them at crawlers nest and the last time i checked jwf lvl'ed like crazy -.- (stupid subjob for DRG -.-;;) so now im stuck at 40 -.-;; and they getting like WHOA lol but i dunt tihnk they gil farmers i mean like i dunt really care as long as they earn it-.-
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#16 Sep 17 2004 at 1:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Ya i forgot the damn Blues ::hits head::

anyways.....

Just ran by a party of 6.... all Jl

So let's welcome the newest gilfarmers... the JLs!!!!

They hail from Windurst and enjoy deep conversations and walks on the beach...
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#17 Sep 17 2004 at 3:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Bringing up the apples for a moment more...

They seem to actually be putting in an effort to level these days :P I guess the farming just wasn't good enough for their payroll where they were.

Nowadays they seem to have migrated to the CN where at last report they are still ruining the levelling experience of a friend of mine who has the misfortune of always ending up where they are. Watch for endless trains at CN for a while (more than usual anyway).

#18 Sep 17 2004 at 6:21 AM Rating: Decent
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one of the apples is in my LS and they have been trainin there lvls most of the time now
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#19 Sep 17 2004 at 2:21 PM Rating: Decent
*blinks*

You have a gil seller in your ls???

WTF...

Sorry, bad response. How is he/she in an actual ls?...
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#20 Sep 17 2004 at 2:45 PM Rating: Decent
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FFXIBouncer wrote:
one of the apples is in my LS and they have been trainin there lvls most of the time now
I'll be honest and say I could give a flyin' rat's A$$ if the apples are ALL in your LS... they still need to either learn how to NOT interfere in everyone else's game or bugger off... my preference is the latter.

/em takes a deep breath...

That being said... if they've Miraculously changed their stripes and are now truly levelling (instead of just trying to get to their next farming location) then they may want to consider lvling their lv 1 subjobs >:-P

#21 Sep 20 2004 at 5:56 PM Rating: Decent
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::sighs::
Sadly, I was just in the Crawler's Nest and the apple were there. I was *hoping* they actually going legit, but nope. They were pulling soldier crawlers, making insane soldier trains, porting out, and leaving whichever unfortunate group near them to die.

It would be great if we could get a server wide revolt against them and steal their kills and chain mobs on them for once, but I doubt that will ever happen.
#22 Sep 26 2004 at 3:40 PM Rating: Decent
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The Lucks were on my old server and I noticed one on Alexander too. The Lucks were known to hoard mining points in Gusten (sp?) mines. Just a heads up.


Its rumored they are farming the gil to sell.
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#23 Sep 26 2004 at 3:47 PM Rating: Decent
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New Gilfarmer name >> /sea all Babay. Thier r more then u think I found single Gilfarmers maybe other series left them. But all of them have simliar name. or a random freeUYT, freekgjy, freekshe. You get the point neway Ive been seeing alot of suspects.
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#24 Sep 27 2004 at 2:18 PM Rating: Decent
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/em Kayden sighs and wonders...gilfarmers...

Well we all know about the farmers and the disruption they have caused.

But..does that mean when I camp an area for a month building exp and farming gil for myself...that gives a group of players the right to accuse me of gilfarming and jack me on mob pulls? I do like to solo..and for most of you out there who sees me in areas for weeks at a time know this. Sorry if this is a rant...but...this really peeved me...

SITUATION:
Me and a friend camp on the weekends in yhutunga..near zone, pullin smiths for nearly a month now. I just pull what i need...one at a time...and try not to pull mobs from others. On saturday...my friend and I are camping and pullin smiths for about 2 hours...until a party moves in and camps (literally) on top of us. Without saying a word...they start pullin mobs to me and my buddy...bomb toss and sleep...bad for an AOE. So i return the favor...obviously causing disruption in their party. Finally, the party starts accusing us of gilfarming and told us to get the f... out. We shouldnt be there cause were farmers...Well too my amazement, i guess when I flamed them in english..they shut the hell up and moved away from us....NO APOLOGIES!

DEDUCTION:
I agree, gil farmers are a major problem...but, when you see someone out there campin in an area for a week or so...dont assume were a freekin chinese company farming gils. Use your damn common sense. I show courtesy to all players, but when you start accusing..you better check who your talking to. Its unfortunate that ignorance toward players who actually farm for themselves trying to make some gil...they get crap from other idiots who think we all work for a chinese company. Check first, then act accordingly. Just ask....and then apologize..dont rant and accuse me of gil farming.

Sorry for the rant...but it is gil farmer related...and Im even tempered and patient. But enough is enough!

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/em Kahlane smiles warmly to her friend Kayden

YOU!!! Someone actually took you for a gil farmer!!! LMAO.



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#26 Sep 27 2004 at 2:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Good points, Kayden!

I once saw a party of six...the Donners (just kidding) in the Qufim tower entrance a few days ago.

To avoid accusing the innocent, I will leave out names, but it seemed odd to me that this party were all decked out in Lizard Jerkin armor...yup every single one of them. Looked kind of cute...like cub scouts in uniform.

Anyway, I was playing around 7:00pm one night...they were there. I logged off at 11:00pm...they were still there. Decided to log on the following morning out of curiousity, around 8:00am....they were still there.

There were all around lvl 21 so I thought maybe a static party? But boy...they were really pulling in some hours. I did not check since then if they were still there but for all I know, they may just be a pty having fun...staying up for long hours.

Heck, I would be lucky to get a pty that sticks together for a couple of hours...so I just thought that pty seemed kind of odd.

And given what Kayden said earlier, not all people who stay in the same area are necessarily gilfarmers. They could just be trying to raise in-game mullah to pay for gear. But then again, with all the talk about farmers having the same names, some farmers might be wising up and using different names now.

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#27 Sep 27 2004 at 3:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Totally agrees with kayden. Aside from that I dont think when you see a group of ppl with all similar names they are GUARANTEED gil farmers LOL! Now maybe im just ignorent of the gil farming practice, but in the dunes when I was hanging out there raising ppl, I notice this group of players all with red in their name.

So someone yells out gill farmers and im thinking hey maybe ...but then considering they were killing ordinary flies etc and checked me out a few times...I dont think they were gil farming! I even sent them a tell and talked to one of them with the uni translator...now I dont know where they were from, but our conversation went along the lines of (me)Hi how are you if you need any help let me know etc...They responded with a thanks and in broken english where should we camp in the dunes for fast xp? Now that doesnt souind like a gil farmin operation to me..LOL

Maybe...just maybe some ppl in this game have a similar name and arent farming gil..Hey i am sure this point can be argued in every which direction, but I gotta say my piece!

And look Im not from CHINA but could you all please stop assuming everyone is from CHINA and a gil farmer...thats disrespectful in my books...
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/em Kayden laughs with Kahlane and bows respectfully to Tynie and Galador...thanks guys.

Yeah, can you believe that Kahlane? You and Gravedigger know how I can stay in one area for up to a month.

Your right Galador...one should not assume just the Chinese as I did...Just wanted to show what some ppl shout at me....

Ive never had problems with this nature until I reached Kazham....where its almost a daily occurence...someone "tells" me...leave, get out, you shouldn't be here....its really sad....

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#29 Sep 27 2004 at 3:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Um, perhaps they are leveling up their characters so they can camp the higher level NM's....
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just a thought on this, as it seems everyone is getting very worked up about it!!

if SE tried to ban players they thought were gilfarmers, they may start banning people who are just camping to earn gil for themselves, case in point kayden, so thats a bad idea..

the link that was put up from another server, it mentioned investigating transfers over a certain amount like 100k.. now what if high LVL players were lending each other cash to buy up to date equipment? is SE going to investigate them?

friends of mine train mobs for drops, earning money that way to raise their crafts, is SE going to place a ban on that?

the whole time people want to buy gil for use in game, there will be a need for gilfarmers. you cant stop people from buying it, short of kicking out everyone who MAY have at some point, and lets face it, that could be a hell of a lot of people!!

to be honest SE can go one of two ways IMO,

1 - ban all gil transfers.. very sucky and will ruin the game for many people, but that will stop the gilfarmers from being able to do it.

2 - sell gil themselves. SE control the servers, they can make amounts available, if they were to sell it themselves for cheaper than the gilfarmers then the gilfarmers would have no reason to be there, then they would leave, and the players can go back to doing the very things they are complaining about the gilfarmers doing ^^


i'm not defending the gilfarmers, the abuse they give when someone does beat them to a mining point or a logging point, or when they train mobs onto people, and they shouldnt be doing it for a living, but they are, nothing much we can do about that now. we can either complain to SE (who lets face it are not going to pay much attention till we all stop playing) or we can work with it. every trade system ever has had its black market, people breaking the rules to supply something outside the law.. personally i think it makes the game even more like RL

just my humble opinion ^^
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#31 Sep 27 2004 at 6:06 PM Rating: Decent
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/kneels respectfully before Kayden...then tips over from laughing loud.

Hey, Kayden, maybe you should go anonymous or be known as "The Alexander Player formerly Known as Kayden."

I think that staying in one area should not be held against any player. Case in point: when I was dirt poor (and I am still very poor!) and just starting out, I was making galkan sausages for additional income and for use as short-term replacement to meat mithkabobs.

I was staying in N. Gustaberg a lot and would farm on the sheep and goblins in the area. But I never told anyone who went to the same area to buzz off or would I try to compete against someone who was clearly leveling. I find it funny when I have to stand in line (I think 5th in line was the worst), when people were milking Bubbly Bernie.

Ok...what was I talking about?

Oh yeah...back to gilfarmers. If SE is to "officially" sell gil for prices lower than the gilfarmers, then we will really begin to move towards inflated prices. Currently, most items (I hope) are still affordable with regular gil-raising activities. But when you encourage a good portion of the server players to start buying up gil, then you would truly see what inflation does. Russia is a prime example of what inflated prices can do to an economy.

Currently, the high prices are somewhat concentrated on items that have high demand. But if you infuse the economy with more money, 1gil could easily become 10gil. An item that typically costs 500 gil would now cost 5000 gil. So again, prices still move according to demand and so, even higher-level items can still be cheap if there is not enough demand for it. Conversely, items like the emperor's hairpin, even though a low-level item, is expensive because many people want it AND are willing to pay the high prices.

In the end, if you are raising money in-game, I do not think that you should feel discouraged that the ideal gear for your character and level are very expensive. In-game, as in real life, very few people can afford all the nice things. However, we make do with what we have and most of us would splurge every now and then when we have the money....so why would a game be any different?

Yeah...get yourself that emp hairpin when you can afford it....but does it stop there? Will you be happy once you get it? Amazingly enough, this game is teaching me more about life...to be more patient, thrifty, and how to train mobs on gilfarmers....Kayden excluded (again, Kayden is not a farmer!).

/em picks himself up from the floor.
/em bow

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If SE is to "officially" sell gil for prices lower than the gilfarmers, then we will really begin to move towards inflated prices.


i'm not saying SE should do it, because, yeah, it'll create inflation, and things that are set like the gil you get for rank missions or the adventurers coupon (ppfftt 50g, w00p, lets go paint the town red eh?) become totally worthless.. its just one solution to the problem of gil farming. like using radiation to kill cancer, sure, cancer's gone, now you've got radiation sickness...

all i am trying to point out is that untill SE does something HUGE and DRASTIC that the gilfarmers are here to stay. SE can control the economy anyway they like... leaping boots costing 100000k? fine, lizzy spawns twice as fast and drops every time, problem solved thru a simple change in variables at SE's end, and that can be changed to suit every server.

when gilfarmers are ruining the game for people, like when their camping NM's and preventing gamers from taking it on, then their in the wrong, when they camp out the mining spots, stopping people from mining them, thats ruining the game and needs to be stopped.. selling ore's however, if they flood the market with ore, then the players who can mine will lower their prices to compete with the farmers, lowering the price of ore, this makes smithing and gold smithing easier crafts, so more people get to high lvl faster and then the price of smithed armour comes down. same with farming things for leathercraft, food, even fishing. players do this too, farm low lvl mobs for items to stack and sell. so the gilfarmers are making real cash out of it, the players who buy from them are spending real cash.. so its not creating more money, its moving it about online, from one player to another.


i dont condone the gilfarmers tactics for earning gil, no, begging and camping things to death are wrong, for gilfarmer and player alike (i for one am sick of not being able to get the chance to fight leaping lizzy, an NM meant for low lvls because higher lvls using flee and other abilities camp it out 24/7) but the economics behind it? the same as the real world i'm afraid.



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#33 Sep 27 2004 at 7:14 PM Rating: Decent
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No, it doesn't have to be HUGE and DRASTIC. Something of that nature would change the game in a HUGE and DRASTIC way. We want to stop gilselling, NOT the game itself.

A lot of ideas, and some good ones at that, are being tossed around on this thread.

Please check them out. The solution is through simplicity.

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Edited, Mon Sep 27 20:15:33 2004 by Webjunky
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Another thing that should be considered is that these gill selling players are seen as customers with the same rights as any other player. They are not granted any special favor nor are the they prosecuted because their play style is annoying to other players. SE qill be very unlikely to address these players unless the violate the rules of conduct. Now before you mention the "but they are selling gil!" argument, consider this. How would SE *prove* they are selling gil? All they can see is players selling items and giving money to other players. There is no way for them to see or trace the real money changing hands. SE does regularly police auction sites based in countries in which the terms of service can be legaly upheld. Unfortunately this does not include sites such as IGE which reside in Hong Kong.

Gil sellers will always be present in FFXI but be thankful that they have to farm the Gil legitimately. In games like EQ there are any number of exploits to dupe or obtain Platinum without earning it.



#10 -- Penalty Point System -- I was discussing this with a friend of mine who uses XBox Live. He was telling me that Microsoft added something to its system in which you can send "negative feedback" about a player if hes abusing the system by either "glitching" or blantantly cheating. If a person accrues enough negative feedback (or penalty points) he's suspended from the game.

This is a complex issue...but do you think the people in Vana'diel are wise enough to police themselves? My fear with this is that people will abuse this system for things other than cheaters...like people they don't get along with in XP parties. (i.e..."OMG...You didn't 'voke it off me fast enough, you n00b tank, I'm giving you a penality point.") I'll admit, there are people that push the wrong buttons with me in XP parties as well, but I don't think they should get banned just because we can't be best buddies, lol...and I don't want Vana'diel to turn from the land of adventurers to the land of tattletales either, lol.


two of my favourite things from this thread
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1096131169356046428&num=35

but again, several time in that thread it is brought up that they cannot prove who is breaking the rules by selling the gil they earn in-game, not without breaking several real world laws themselves... and banning IP's wont work because not everyone in the world uses static IP's.

yes, the gil farmers are a problem, and one SE probably knew about before the start of the game.

can WE, the players, stop them? not in game we cant. all we can do is talk about solutions in forums like this and find a way to present them to SE, and hope they listen

if no-one bought gil, then yeah, they'd stop, but not everyone knows that. not everyone feels that buying gil is a bad thing. not everyone has time to lvl up a craft to the higher lvls that actually make it worthwhile, putting the JP,NA and now the EU players all on the same servers has its ups and downs, the high XP players can help the newbs, sure, but when it comes to earning gil, they know all the spots, have the high lvl crafts already and ever so slightly faster connections due to their closeness to the servers. if the gil farmers were not here i'm sure people in NA would complain about the JP's getting the mobs faster, the mining spots faster, and so on and so forth.



ladies and gentlemen, ITS A GAME.. sure its frustrating when you cant do what you want, that you should be able to do on it, but i'm pretty sure that SE are looking into it and doing what they can to deal with it. untill then we ALL have to struggle on with it :/ its not perfect, but then nothing ever is

EDIT: one thing i want to add, bots. wrong wrong wrong...

there should be a way to check for bot usage, and any and all people found using them should be banned, for a week for first time, and for good second time, no excuses. to me botting is cheating pure and simple, if your not there playing the game, then your not playing.. why should some people get high lvls because they got a bot doing all the hard work for them? i'm sure this is probably a far bigger problem then gilfarmers yet everyone seems more ok with this idea

Edited, Mon Sep 27 22:43:33 2004 by shingi
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#35 Sep 27 2004 at 11:31 PM Rating: Decent
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I personally think this idea is genius:

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I hear you brother I am On Unicorn server and there is bots hunting every type of NM available 24/7. Here is my solution, we we hunt NM we do it as a LS. We have al least 5-6 people in a party and sometimes an alliance. Dont give up beat them at there own game!!!!!

We hunt the Emperor and there is a Bot train that is constantly there. We have 2-3 players just run circles in front of the leader character of the bots, and around spawn time we cast magic on them constantly. A mage usually Rdm will just keep refreshing converting and casting on them while they run around, as often times when cure or some spell is being cast you cannot Voke or engage target.(Not sure if it works all the time but something I noticed happens to me quite frequently)


Then dedicate the rest of the group to Wide Scan, voke and claiming the mob. If you really work at this then the bots will not get the claim.

We have done this so often that I have seen the bots actually try to train flies on us while we wer fighting the Emperor.

I employ this same strategy in Davoi with the same results.


I personally wouldn't mind spending a few hours screwing overthe gilfarmers that are hunting NM's (known gil farmers, not actual players)

Oh! I know I've seen the argument that the gilfarmers are just people that are trying to feed their family's, make a little money, whatever. That would be fine if they weren't making a living off of making other people miserable. If they legitamely farmed all day without disrupting other players game experience, I wouldn't have a problem with them doing this to feed their family's. The thing is though, they disrupt people's gameplay. I know I had to stop leveling whm for a while just because I did a '/sea all apple' and saw the apples were in the Crawlers Nest (which is where I wanted to level). Just reminding people that they aren't doing an innocent trade, they are going against the EULA by almost everything they do.
#36 Sep 28 2004 at 3:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Lady Wenchy wrote:
The Lucks were on my old server and I noticed one on Alexander too. The Lucks were known to hoard mining points in Gusten (sp?) mines. Just a heads up.


Its rumored they are farming the gil to sell.
Whether the rumor is true or not... one of the reasons I gave up mining in general was the rude, thieving, wish-I-could-MPK them to hell, players who are there every day, all the time... from the time I got there til the time I left there... Would constantly jump right in and take a point AS I was mining it... {I don't know how to answer that question} when you call them on it... Grrr... *sigh*... Whether they are gil sellers or not... there are plenty of other players just as rude.

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Alright, so I've never mined before because I generally try to sty away from the whole Bastk region (hoards and hoards of people talking in shouts), but I have a quick question about mining: if they can take a spot from you as you're mining, can't you do the same to them?

If so, this would be like the above idea with the NM's and another thing to screw them over on. When they start mining, just give them a taste of their own medicine and take their spots.
#38 Sep 28 2004 at 11:32 AM Rating: Decent
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I have an idea... what if SE, as many people have said were to sell gil. I have shrugged this off thinking it was crazy on many occasions. But I just thought of a modification. The first part is they will have a pool of available gil. They can add to it if they feel there needs to be more gil in the economy, and they can remove from it if they think there needs to be less gil in the economy. That is the first part. But the problem is that if they have a pool, they need to refill it somehow. And if they just dump more gil into it constantly it will cause inflation. So, instead, how about allow people to 'sell' gil to SE, not for cash, but for a credit to your account. So, the people who think earning gil is to much work can just buy it from SE. And the people who don't think it is much work, can just sell their extra to SE... and as a result if they do it enough, play ffxi for free. Which it wouldn't be free in reality, because SE would still get their money from the gil buyers. I could be instantaneous... you go to playonline and enter your account and password and select the amount you want to request and which character to send it to. They notify you if there is enough gil in the pool to accomodate, and you click ok. When you log in the gil is on your character, not in the delivery box. This won't completely eliminate gil sellers, but it will lower the profit in it for them, so some of them would probably give up. I know, I could easily make an extra 50k a month if it meant I only had to pay $10 monthly. That's just 10k a day for 5 days. Only issue is that the gil sellers would probably raise their offering rates on gil to get people to sell to them instead of the pool. That is why they would really need to start cracking down on gil sellers too.
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#39 Sep 28 2004 at 11:48 AM Rating: Decent
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Speaking as someone who logs in Gheselba (where the gil farmers are logging) I have to say that they're pretty good about not stealing points. If they do it once and you bitch them out they stop stealing yours. Not to say they won't steal others who don't stand up.

And Bots... I don't know what to say about that. But it's very frustrating to get into Giddeus and see 6 or more players camping the Yag NM that drops the Monster Signa. They're all anon and have no subjobs and rank 1... I don't know if that's botting or just more gil farmers (they don't have the same character names like Apple or Red)

I wish I had a solution... it's getting really bad and I wonder if the migration will make the problem better or worse.
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#40 Sep 28 2004 at 11:48 AM Rating: Default
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i think...we should grab a bunch of people make parties and start following the gilfarmers doing what they do...then disperse the gil randomly to low level players hehe...or me
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#41 Sep 28 2004 at 3:40 PM Rating: Decent
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what if SE, as many people have said were to sell gil. I have shrugged this off thinking it was crazy on many occasions. But I just thought of a modification. The first part is they will have a pool of available gil. They can add to it if they feel there needs to be more gil in the economy, and they can remove from it if they think there needs to be less gil in the economy. That is the first part. But the problem is that if they have a pool, they need to refill it somehow. And if they just dump more gil into it constantly it will cause inflation. So, instead, how about allow people to 'sell' gil to SE, not for cash, but for a credit to your account.



thats a GREAT idea...

i have seen many people saying that the people who cant afford to pay real money for gil would get screwed over because they couldnt out-compete the people who can. at the same time new people starting out dont know the best way to raise cash, and are getting screwed over by the people who do (not having a go, just an observation)

this way, you could start out, pay out for a certain amount of gil, then once your settled and able to craft/log/mine/fish at a competitive level you can sell that gil back, making back the money you spent to get started in free server time..

superb!!!
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thats put a smile on my face that has!
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#42 Sep 28 2004 at 3:58 PM Rating: Decent
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The problem with a Gil pool is that it can get only so big and can be a problem to new players trying to get gil and old players trying to raise 4mil for that one piece of equipment. If the new players get the gil, the old players won't be able to buy their equipment they need to get to the higher levels. If the old players get their money, the new players will never even be able to get to the point to need the 4mil equipment.
#43 Sep 28 2004 at 4:21 PM Rating: Decent
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i guess that'd be up to SE tho, if they set a small pool that would be a problem, tho too high and inflation would again be a problem..

i'm not an economist, i dont claim to know the answer, it just seems to me that the best way to remove gilfarmers is to beat them at their own game, IE remove their customer base.

i've not had any problems with them camping things i want, but then i'm still low lvl ^^
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#44 Sep 28 2004 at 9:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, i'm pretty sure the lifes were camping Ghelspa Outpost all day today, so they are training up their woodworking (they weren't selling any arrowood lumber, at least that i saw). Which means in a matter of weeks they will probably be high level woodworkers, that will be great when they can mess up everyone over who uses that to make gil. There will slowly become and more of these groups who will gain a monopoly on items, and then they can control the prices of those things and make all of our lifes wondeful... Oh well, they could just be regular ppl I suppose, but they were very nasty to me, and kept stealing my spots even when i told them to stop (with the translator) and there was enough of them that they could get a majority of the spawn points.
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like i said if it bothers you that much just go and do what they do...but lower the prices to normal rate...you think someone will? not likely...most people see a 50k in crease and just think more money for them and sell then. that my friends is why gil sellers win, co-operation with each other and a necesity to do good...the actual values coming out of this game in the biggest criminals of this game...go figure. Now if only you people could learn the same thing we'd all be more happy
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#46 Sep 29 2004 at 7:55 AM Rating: Decent
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I saw an announcement as I was logging off last night that said that SE found an "exploit that was allowing players to get gil freely" and that anyone caught using that exploit would be dealt with in a variety of manners. Does anyone think this "exploit" is referring to the gil farmers? Or is it another issue all together that I've just never heard of (and missed the boat on ^.^)?
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No, the exploit has do to with using an older version if FFXI (won't give details because I don't want people doing it because it's worse than gil farmers) and modyfing several files to get by the updates so they can take a single item (gil) out of ther delievery box several times.
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