Another thing that should be considered is that these gill selling players are seen as customers with the same rights as any other player. They are not granted any special favor nor are the they prosecuted because their play style is annoying to other players. SE qill be very unlikely to address these players unless the violate the rules of conduct. Now before you mention the "but they are selling gil!" argument, consider this. How would SE *prove* they are selling gil? All they can see is players selling items and giving money to other players. There is no way for them to see or trace the real money changing hands. SE does regularly police auction sites based in countries in which the terms of service can be legaly upheld. Unfortunately this does not include sites such as IGE which reside in Hong Kong.
Gil sellers will always be present in FFXI but be thankful that they have to farm the Gil legitimately. In games like EQ there are any number of exploits to dupe or obtain Platinum without earning it.
#10 -- Penalty Point System -- I was discussing this with a friend of mine who uses XBox Live. He was telling me that Microsoft added something to its system in which you can send "negative feedback" about a player if hes abusing the system by either "glitching" or blantantly cheating. If a person accrues enough negative feedback (or penalty points) he's suspended from the game.
This is a complex issue...but do you think the people in Vana'diel are wise enough to police themselves? My fear with this is that people will abuse this system for things other than cheaters...like people they don't get along with in XP parties. (i.e..."OMG...You didn't 'voke it off me fast enough, you n00b tank, I'm giving you a penality point.") I'll admit, there are people that push the wrong buttons with me in XP parties as well, but I don't think they should get banned just because we can't be best buddies, lol...and I don't want Vana'diel to turn from the land of adventurers to the land of tattletales either, lol.
two of my favourite things from this thread http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1096131169356046428&num=35
but again, several time in that thread it is brought up that they cannot prove who is breaking the rules by selling the gil they earn in-game, not without breaking several real world laws themselves... and banning IP's wont work because not everyone in the world uses static IP's.
yes, the gil farmers are a problem, and one SE probably knew about before the start of the game.
can WE, the players, stop them? not in game we cant. all we can do is talk about solutions in forums like this and find a way to present them to SE, and hope they listen
if no-one bought gil, then yeah, they'd stop, but not everyone knows that. not everyone feels that buying gil is a bad thing. not everyone has time to lvl up a craft to the higher lvls that actually make it worthwhile, putting the JP,NA and now the EU players all on the same servers has its ups and downs, the high XP players can help the newbs, sure, but when it comes to earning gil, they know all the spots, have the high lvl crafts already and ever so slightly faster connections due to their closeness to the servers. if the gil farmers were not here i'm sure people in NA would complain about the JP's getting the mobs faster, the mining spots faster, and so on and so forth.
ladies and gentlemen, ITS A GAME.. sure its frustrating when you cant do what you want, that you should be able to do on it, but i'm pretty sure that SE are looking into it and doing what they can to deal with it. untill then we ALL have to struggle on with it :/ its not perfect, but then nothing ever is
EDIT: one thing i want to add, bots. wrong wrong wrong...
there should be a way to check for bot usage, and any and all people found using them should be banned, for a week for first time, and for good second time, no excuses. to me botting is cheating pure and simple, if your not there playing the game, then your not playing.. why should some people get high lvls because they got a bot doing all the hard work for them? i'm sure this is probably a far bigger problem then gilfarmers yet everyone seems more ok with this idea Edited, Mon Sep 27 22:43:33 2004 by shingi