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#1 Aug 06 2014 at 12:21 PM Rating: Good
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Seriously, hell and sexy? Really? Especially Hell, that word is used in every **** MMO ever, a million times over. Sexy is getting caught in a filter for sex, I'm guessing.

If this is here to stay, can we at least get a full list of words that are now filtered?

edit: yes I broke the filter a bunch of times, it's kind of hard to make a point if every other word is replaced by ****

Edited, Aug 6th 2014 8:22pm by Aethien
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Hellboy was a PG-13 movie.
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One has never been able to properly cite Moby ****.
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As ridiculous as the new words that are being filtered is, I'd be pretty irresponsible if I didn't mention it's not even filtering correctly. I think I remember mention that there would be some growing pains when these filters hit, and I'm hoping that this extreme is only temporary.
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It's ridiculous. Stuff that doesn't even break the PG barrier is banned.

There's a big difference between not being allowed to use profanity and not being allowed to even speak like an adult.
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Wow. What the everliving fudge.
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The phrases added to the filter were taken directly from the list google adsense published of objectionable phrases they use to determine suitability of a site to maintain adsense advertising eligibility. Yes, some of them are not what I personally would consider PG-13. Google on the other hand does. While we may be able to tune it a bit, the reason for that filter change was to comply with their rules so they don't pull the advertising, which is a major funding source for the site. The timing of implementation is somewhat unfortunate, but this has been pending for quite a few months. I really don't like it either, but its necessary given the funding model that keeps these forums around.

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My question in the first post remains, do you have a full list of censored words?
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They do. Here, I'll share it with you.

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#10 Aug 07 2014 at 6:11 AM Rating: Good
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What the heck? Is Google run by 90 year old women?
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Unless it changed in the last ten hours or so, it is looking more PG than PG-13.

Well, the three words I had problems with seem to be fixed. I'm not going to go through lists of words to find out which ones, but it seems to have settled at a bit at least. Maybe we're back up to PG-13. So thanks for that, at least.

Edited, Aug 7th 2014 9:41am by lolgaxe
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So, **** Cheney is still a persona non grata and you can't say that you think a Mojito is a delicious cocktail either.
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It's silly that all filtered words are replaced with not just all asterisks, but also the same amount of asterisks; it makes some sentences basically indecipherable. It's also completely retarded that so many words are filtered, and the filtering seems all over the place.

Sometimes the word is not filtered if it is immediately followed by another word or symbol:

Is it ****?
Is it ****

Sometimes the filter eats the symbol immediately following the word:

What the **** <-- there was a question mark there
What the ****

Perfectly non-vulgar, non-demeaning words are filtered:

****
Mishit
*****

I mean, what the **** would you call the penile appendage if not *****? It's the scientific term for it. It would be like filtering 'breast' because it refers to a part of the woman's body that is linked to sexual intercourse. Notice how the adjectives are not filtered? Stupid.

Oddly enough, some words that would be considered vulgar, or demeaning, are not filtered. Not going to list those, because **** those harlots at Google; let them figure it out on their own. And I guess no more using the diminutive form for Richard? So any discussion involving the award-winning actor **** Van **** is out of the question?

This isn't PG-13 or even PG, it's G. The forums are now more age appropriate than every video game the ZAM Network covers. That's cool. Also, a lot of these words are not filtered on Google's official websites. The words '****', '****', and *****', for instance, are not.

Edited, Aug 7th 2014 8:36pm by Mazra
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This isn't PG-13 or even PG, it's G.

Who knew that Rob Petrie wasn't G rated?
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So the common way of breaking the filter, using double markup tags in between letters to confuse the system... wouldn't that also confuse any Google-bot out there scouring the search results for the naughty words? Couldn't you set up the Zam filters on the Asylum/OoT to just filter the words to the markup-tag-bypassed method?
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What the heck? Is Google run by 90 year old women?


The policy Is driven by what their sponsors ask for.
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The policy Is driven by what their sponsors ask for.


Google's sponsors are into GMILFs?

Or... 90, those would be like, GGMILFs, possibly GGGMILFs?



Edited, Aug 10th 2014 11:19pm by TirithRR
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TirithRR wrote:
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What the heck? Is Google run by 90 year old women?

The policy Is driven by what their sponsors ask for.

Google's sponsors are into GMILFs?
Or... 90, those would be like, GGMILFs, possibly GGGMILFs?


Corporate marketing directors don't want their brand associated with a great many things. Therefore when they make adbuys they as the adseller not to put that content alongside their ad. Due to adsellers being large, they need to have a large catalog of adbuyers, so they stringently regulate the content they purchase space in. Since they are large, lots of places like to use them, and that's how we get the tail wagging the dog scenario of adsellers choosing what content can go in a space instead of ads going where the people are. It can be fairly toxic to the space but that's not really the concern of the adbuyers or sellers. So either resign yourself to take it, or open your window and yell 'I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!' Things have got to change. But first, you've gotta get mad!... You've got to say, 'I'm as mad as ****, and I'm not going to take this anymore!'

Edited, Aug 11th 2014 3:36am by Timelordwho
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Seems odd to me because I'm active on other forums that run Google ads and are much more explicit than this place. As in, no profanity filters and allows for explicit discussion of ***, drug use, whatever. They manage to get by without going all Mary Poppins on the place.

Edited, Aug 11th 2014 8:43am by Jophiel
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Also hilarious that a word like '****' is filtered. Was there ever a point in time where women blushed and men got angry when you used that word in public? Maybe in the early 1890's? I can understand filtering the more vulgar profanity, like the f-word, the c-word, and part of me doesn't even mind filtering the s-word that refers to defecation, but '****'? Seriously? And *****', too? Jesus Christ. Holy ******* ****, it even filters out 'crap'?! What the **** is this?

The quadruple asterisk solution is also pretty half-baked. I know I asked for asterisks instead of the infamous @#%^ gibberish, but I was expecting asterisks equal to the number of characters in the original word. I'm guessing it was done this way due to time constraints, but it's pretty devastating when the filter is this... thorough. Smiley: rolleyes

Don't think I've ever seen a forum with a language policy this strict. I'm quite baffled, really, and I feel that the users are being bumped aside in the neverending quest for more phat lewts. I get that AdSense is crucial to the survival of the forum, but how do all the other forums stay alive? I have yet to come across a forum that actually censors the words 'crap', '****' and *****'. I mean, Jesus Christ, did they write that list back when they were writing The Ten Commandments, too? I can't imagine that this forum is the only forum relying on AdSense moneys. How about phoning Google CS and asking them what's up with the Victorian vocabulary?
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I feel that the users are being bumped aside in the neverending quest for more phat lewts.

Who even owns this place anymore? Some Chinese outfit, I think? Face it, no one in the upper echelons cares about "the users" any more. We've been bought and sold a half dozen times and there's no connection left.

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I get that AdSense is crucial to the survival of the forum, but how do all the other forums stay alive? I have yet to come across a forum that actually censors the words 'crap', '****' and *****'.

Yeah, likewise. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a dozen forums using Adsense but I've never seen one remotely this strict on language.
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I did a quick search in the AdSense policies, and I found an official list of things that might put you in bad standing:

Google wrote:
  • Pornography, adult or mature content
  • Violent content
  • Hate speech (including content that incites hatred or promotes violence against individuals or groups based on race or ethnic origin, religion, disability, gender, age, veteran status, or sexual orientation/gender identity), harassment, bullying, or similar content that advocates harm against an individual or group.
  • Excessive profanity
  • Hacking/cracking content
  • Illicit drugs and drug paraphernalia content
  • Content that promotes, sells, or advertises products obtained from endangered or threatened species.
  • Sales of beer or hard alcohol
  • Sales of tobacco or tobacco-related products
  • Sales of prescription drugs
  • Sales of weapons or ammunition (e.g., firearms, firearm components, fighting knives, stun guns)
  • Sales or distribution of coursework or student essays
  • Content regarding programs which compensate users for clicking ads or offers, performing searches, surfing websites or reading emails
  • Any other content that is illegal, promotes illegal activity or infringes on the legal rights of others


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Google wrote:
  • Excessive profanity


Is *****', '****', 'crap', and '****' considered excessive profanity?

Note that I'm not actively breaking the filter here. This is all its own doing.

With periods: ****. ****. ****. Crap.
Without periods: **** **** **** Crap
In reverse order: Crap **** **** ****

It's all over the ******* place.

Edited, Aug 12th 2014 9:30pm by Mazra
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Fit
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No idea...

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Maybe it's just "F ing"
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Ok... I give up.

Is it because of the "Fitting Room" or something? Some anti pornography filter?
**** Room
"Fitting" Room
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Fitting. Room.

Wow... poorly programmed, right?

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You've gotta be kidding.

**** ****

Edit: What.

Edited, Aug 14th 2014 11:19pm by Poldaran
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No way.
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The word "blood-y" apparently got hit with the filter.

Blood Spattered Mark Log is an item in FFXIV. We've been calling them Blood-y Logs because that's way too much to type out.

I mean, I get that bloody is a swear word in the UK, but come on.
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Bloody is as much a swear word as drat is...
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And add "damn" as a word that is apparently over google's line. Or over the line of the retarded filtering system we have here now anyway.
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I got hit for "crap" today Smiley: oyvey
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I think the censor for "fitting" takes the cake though.
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So yeah, repetition bypasses the filter, regardless of word caliber or order.

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Edited, Aug 15th 2014 10:28pm by lolgaxe
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So I'm guessing we're not getting an answer on why the most ridiculous words are filtered?
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So I'm guessing we're not getting an answer on why the most ridiculous words are filtered?

They won't because it's stupid and unjustified and they know it's stupid and unjustified but someone at The Top decided that the best way to handle this was to treat us all like pre-schoolers and slap some idiotic blanket list down that no other Adsense using forum on earth seems to require.

What's to answer about that? "Well, we're too lazy to try and do it intelligently or treat our users like adults so screw you guys"?

Edited, Aug 21st 2014 8:30am by Jophiel
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The list was generated from what Google AdSense considers to be their actionable account ban words. It's pretty much a direct copy and paste from that. This has zero to do whatsoever with treating our users like adults, it is 100% a preventative measure to ensure that we do not lose google AdSense advertising money, which pays for a significant portion of the forum system server and bandwidth amongst other things. If that funding goes away again (and them pulling it once was what kicked this whole thing off) and did not come back, there would not be a forum system, As annoying as it is, there is a reason those words were included, Until we have an alternative source of funding for the site, or Google AdSense changes their rules, we are really in a difficult position. Are there absolutely stupid words on the list? certainly. Is it annoying? certainly. Do we care that we are annoying our users over this? Yes. But not having any forum at all would be more annoying to me personally.

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Quoted for truth.

Again, there's a bajillion forums that manage to NOT ban the word "hell" and still keep their Google dollars. I know, it's amazing and they must be using dark magic from India or something to do it but maybe whoever sits behind the big oak desk at Zam HQ can pick up the phone and call one of the numbers spammed across the forums and see how it's done.
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The list was generated from what Google AdSense considers to be their actionable account ban words. It's pretty much a direct copy and paste from that. This has zero to do whatsoever with treating our users like adults, it is 100% a preventative measure to ensure that we do not lose google AdSense advertising money, which pays for a significant portion of the forum system server and bandwidth amongst other things. If that funding goes away again (and them pulling it once was what kicked this whole thing off) and did not come back, there would not be a forum system, As annoying as it is, there is a reason those words were included, Until we have an alternative source of funding for the site, or Google AdSense changes their rules, we are really in a difficult position. Are there absolutely stupid words on the list? certainly. Is it annoying? certainly. Do we care that we are annoying our users over this? Yes. But not having any forum at all would be more annoying to me personally.

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Except that plenty of words in there just do not make sense. At all.
Censoring f*ck, w*nker and sh*t? Sure, makes sense and nobody complains about that. Censoring damn, hell, sexy, screw? That makes no sense at all unless Google is secretly a southern baptist church and it's making the forum a royal pain in the ass to use.

edit: of course ass is censored too and because of the way the filter works you now have to break the filter to be able to talk about Assassin's Creed.

Edited, Aug 21st 2014 5:14pm by Aethien
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The biggest thing for me is how weird the filter is at actually filtering.
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It's definitely very poorly written. I'd be ashamed if it was my code put to the public like this.

I'd like to hope they'd fix it. But part of me doubts it.
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The list of words chosen is more or less a whatever. Out of your hands and whatnot. I can deal with that. It's the technical aspects of the filter that are more of an issue. Breaking the filter with a period. Words like "Fitting.", which I can't find on any online list of words adsense banning somehow getting caught up in the filter(too close to the word you get by replacing the first 't' with an 's'?).

On a related note, and this may have already been linked and I just missed it, but is there any way we could check out the list of banned words? A link to an official list, perhaps? I can't find anything official, just a few sites that claim to have cracked the code.

Edit: Okay, looking around Google's adsense policies, it's kinda funny, but the spammers lately could potentially get adsense pulled if I'm reading this right.

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Google ads may not be placed on pages containing any form of comment spam (including adult language). Examples of comment spam include, but are not limited to: random sentences and/or portions of sentences into forum posts that have been copied and pasted from other sources random and/or nonsensical words and phrases that are unrelated to the topic

While we understand the challenges of monitoring user-generated content, we require publishers to monitor the pages upon which ad code appears. Please visit the user-generated content section of our Help Center for recommended solutions to police your content.


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It just means that the ZAM admins need to go through and clean out the spammers every few hours. Google doesn't want to pay for ads on a forum where only spammers are posting.
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The way adsense works is there is a modified google sears subroutine that crawls the designated target ad site looking for text. If that text matches their database of flagged terms, one section of which includes spammer content harvested from other databases, the automatic system flags that site as being not in compliance for that day, with a percentage of noncompliance and a severity rating. Over time, if a sight accumulates too many, or too severe marks against it, they pull your advertising, send you a letter saying what they objected to, and give you a chance to fix it and appeal the decision. In general they restore ad service after that in about 10% of the cases that appeal. That process happened to us once already.

Spam content, to be flagged, would need to exist during the time period when google is crawling the site. They usually crawl it during buisiness hours because they know people don't remove spam from websites at 2am usually, and usually during the day we're pretty good about at least nuking the spam so it wouldn't be visible to a non admin account. That is a potential concern, and we probably have a few spam marks against us in the system, but even with all the recent spammer disruption we were probably ok overall on that one count.
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Any news from the coders about the inconsistencies and glitches in the filter? Like the filter removing symbols immediately before and following certain words. If I were to start a quote with the word ****, it would look like this:

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#45 Aug 22 2014 at 11:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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Not yet. I'll see if I can get someone with access to take a look.
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#46 Aug 22 2014 at 12:45 PM Rating: Good
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It's also weird about how it decided to filter things. It only filters every other word.

**** it all to ****. **** it all to ****.


It also has no problem with other version of words. I can say things like hells and damned and the filter doesn't seem to care.
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#47 Aug 24 2014 at 9:47 PM Rating: Good
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I think the list for the filter must have been imported from Germany...

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No, not a Godwin's thing. Just that Germany has crazy filters on all their game releases.

Edited, Aug 24th 2014 11:49pm by TirithRR
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#48 Aug 27 2014 at 9:22 AM Rating: Good
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Green blood... the reason why I never bought a video game while in Germany, despite the games being much cheaper than back home.
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#49 Sep 04 2014 at 8:25 PM Rating: Good
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No official word yet on the filter being way over kill (Like, Nick Jr. levels of censorship or something) and in general broken?

**** ****
**** ****
***** *****
Fitting Fitting

Even non vulgar terminology
*** ***
******* *******
****** ******
***** *****

Twice in a row breaks the filter
Punctuation is consumed with the filtered word. It even consumes markup coding and tags for quotes, ruining post formatting.
Every word is replaced with the same **** which ruins posts when random words, used in a legitimate way, are filtered out. Talking about **** difficulty in Diablo III, or gbaji mentioning a cigarette **** in a post.

Edited, Sep 4th 2014 10:26pm by TirithRR
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I can't believe they censor the three-letter word for homosexual. I get why, but come on... isn't that discrimination?

Worst part is, the list is only going to get longer. Adsense has effectively cornered the market. Users of Adsense can't afford to not use it, and this makes Adsense more attractive to new clients who bring even more restrictions. It's a perpetually expanding spiral of horse manure.

Edited, Sep 5th 2014 8:36pm by Mazra
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Add nazi to the list of pointless words that are filtered, because WW2 discussion is evil.
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