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Seriously when is enough enough. I see it everyday people derailing threads after a post by a user that upsets someone or the person reading it directly. Blame gets put out on a very few individuals, myself included. (Although I do not deny I have been responsible for derails in the past, and likely will in the future, but such is the nature of discussion boards and offshoot discussions that evolve.)

Now I know a lot of the time certain people, myself included say things that come across as ******** or are outright so. But this is a discussion forum and not some school yard where teacher will stick you on the wall for saying johnny sucks at kickball and it should never be.

The decline of this forum is blamed on the few when it is more than just "the few". Ive seen countless topics filled with so and so is posting mean things again so I will post about them and not the topic. Ive seen/partaken in threads that are so dumb that a derail is the only sensible thing to keep people talking.

Today's instance is just another where one upset person blames a single person, for derailing when it was actually more posting something that was a harsh but on topic statement.

Further more the comments at the end of the closed topic irk me. If there is an overly large issue between one person who is supposed to remain unbiased in most situations, certain comments that are clearly made about said person should not be publicized. If there is an issue between a Mod and a poster than that issue should be taken up between the mod and the poster privately and not publicly. This is the same as poster and poster issues, we are asked to take it to PM's when we have a serious issue with someone, the privacy of individuals should be considered no matter who those individuals are.

I for one think that these certain "trouble makers" have contributed more to these forums over the years Ive been here than most of those that take issue with the "trouble makers". I have seen one particular individual offer more advice than anyone in the closed thread earlier combined. Yet this individual is chastised for lowering the quality of this community.

I think that everyone should look in the mirror and ask themselves what have they done to benefit the community here, other than go on some tireless self-absorbed righteous crusade against the evil wrong doers who say things a tad harsher than what they feel is acceptable.

/end rant.



Edited, Jan 28th 2011 5:19pm by Osarion Lock Thread: Off Topic to FFXI

Edited, Jan 28th 2011 5:19pm by Osarion

Edited, Jan 30th 2011 2:42pm by Kaolian Lock Thread: Thread degenerating into flames. We're done. Any further comment PM Kao or Darqflame.

Not to make too extreme a comparison, but Rog is like Nelson Mandella (was the first to come to mind, I'm sure there's a better one to make). He's got his **** straight, everyone likes him, but for some reason the establishment always wants to throw him away. Sometimes his methods may be extreme, his words may be harsh, but I'll be damned if he isn't right most of the time.

Rog is a douchebag. Most people don't deserve it.



Except Catwho.I give him a pass to be a douche to her.

Before this turns into a troll's circle jerk, you can't really say for sure as, to some degree, the board hasn't really experienced life without one in some incarnation. Just as you can't say someone else would've offered any particular tidbit of information with far more tact and less argumentative "You're retarded!" insinuations like a select few are prone to do.

Unfortunately, I probably get caught up in the White Knight end of the spectrum. It isn't so much to martyr myself or solely give the trolls what-for, but I do have a genuine interest in a more hospitable forum environment and do believe discussions can still occur without the vitriol or perpetual derails. I guess it's a matter of how Zam, on the whole, feels about forum traffic: Is a high number of posts with questionable content preferred over a few number of posts striving for quality? My spidey sense leans toward the former, if only by generation of ad revenue.

Sig relevant. Often politeness goes out the window when someone steps in and demands information or ideas or even just some ego-boosting agreement with their ideals. Few such as Rog give such things for free, even if the price is just a little respect. I respect Rog, and still verbally tangle with him often, but within that I do eventually reach consensus with him on ideals and ideas.

This isn't the Internet F*ckwad Theory in effect, but instead a measure of 'I don't owe you this, but I'll let you have it anyway'. Sure he lets them 'have it' a little harder than he should, but contribution is the key.

Arucarud would just insult you first. It'd take at least four posts before he's post anything relevant. Rog curbed this habit, and guess which of them is still around?


This and this, especially the bolded part. People want an expert, they tend to be assh0les, but they still demand that their question be answered.

Edited, Jan 28th 2011 5:04pm by Raelix

This is really just an exercise in futility. Rog is only the most visible poster who posts like that. Take him away and you're not going to really curb any of those kinds of posts, you'll just notice someone else moreso than you did when Rog was posting a lot. He's hardly the only person to post like that and he certainly won't be the last.

I get it. Mute him or whatever because he's been warned and it's not his personal board so you punish him for not heeding the warnings. Let's just not all fool ourselves into thinking that he's the main problem with =10.

Also, I'd like to petition that if you do decide to not unmute him, could you at least just have him muted in the FFXI boards, and allow him to post in Site Feedback, the OOT and the Asylum (also, Journals)?

Edited, Jan 28th 2011 8:12pm by Spoonless

No not everyone has to be a ****, but then again I don't recall the last time Ive seen you post helpful information that Rog already didn't post. Im just saying, he might be a ****, but he consistently answers questions usually before anyone sees them come up.

I assume that is the reason, I more so made this because the White knight ******** is stupid. People derail threads every day. People that aren't even Rog. But no one takes offense to them, people see his name as the last post and come in and try and play hero. It is sad, and they try and claim he is the reason for the decline of =10, when they are more responsible for it turning into a swamp of name calling than Rog himself is.

Doesn't help that a certain Mod utterly despises him and will look for any excuse to mute/ban him they can find, even if it is something as small as "So and So sucks at FFXI". I mean seriously, aren't they supposed to be unbiased and impartial when it comes to things like this.

If people don't have a thick enough skin to stand getting called a name or reading about someone else getting called a name, they should throw their modem out their front door because the internet is far to much for them to handle obviously.

I know I will regret posting in this thread, but...

Rog killed my wife, raped my puppy, etc.

People can be ********, especially on the internet. It's sad this has become such a big deal.

Can just ignore people if you think they're being too rough, but hey, Rog has helped me out on an occasion or two, so I must be biased.

Posting first doesn't make you more right, but it can often be more useful. Many people come to forums looking for an immediate answer, not an answer in 3-4 hours or even days. Let me be clear here, I don't think rog's behavior is useful, but he produces a vast amount of information, pretty much on demand, that is.

I don't know Catwho and I'm not sticking up for her. Just providing a recent example.

I agree, don't get me wrong, I don't believe in his ******* ways, but he is a wealth of knowledge, and no matter how ******* his replies to questions are once you wade through the petty comments the information is bang on and exactly usually what people want to see.

lol

This reminds me of those stories about people getting life in prison for stealing a candy bar.