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#1 Sep 05 2010 at 11:12 PM Rating: Default
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People are having issues getting the beta files.

I went out of my way to re-download them for said people, then burned some of my limited bandwidth to put them on filefront as another alternative.

My post is now "unviewable" meaning one of you fancy admin types sh*tcanned it. So, I'm glad you enjoy pissing on people helping the community at large. I had also had the idea to continue doing it as well. **** that now.

Edited, Sep 6th 2010 1:13am by Pawkeshup

Edited, Sep 6th 2010 9:34pm by Kaolian Lock Thread: we're done here.
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#2 Sep 05 2010 at 11:15 PM Rating: Good
Pawkeshup Delivers on Time wrote:
My post is now "unviewable" meaning one of you fancy admin types sh*tcanned it. So, I'm glad you enjoy pissing on people helping the community at large.
Those silly admins, caring more about rules than the community.

Seriously though, you know you're not allowed to do that, so i'm not sure why you're surprised. Of course since they won't actually do anything about it, except nuke it, i've always just ignored it, and posted whatever to help whoever happens to see the post before it gets nuked.

Edited, Sep 6th 2010 1:18am by ThePsychoticOne
#3 Sep 05 2010 at 11:25 PM Rating: Default
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ThePsychoticOne the Prohpet wrote:
Pawkeshup Delivers on Time wrote:
My post is now "unviewable" meaning one of you fancy admin types sh*tcanned it. So, I'm glad you enjoy pissing on people helping the community at large.
Those silly admins, caring more about rules than the community.

Seriously though, you know you're not allowed to do that, so i'm not sure why you're surprised. Of course since they won't actually do anything about it, except nuke it, i've always just ignored it, and posted whatever to help whoever happens to see the post before it gets nuked.

Edited, Sep 6th 2010 1:18am by ThePsychoticOne
They haven't nuked the megaupload posts. Just mine. And I was going to keep updating that thread for people to bookmark it as long as I still had bandwidth to spare. And why is t against the rules? It's against the rules to post cracked game downloads. All I did was straight up download the files from the ****** SE torrent and repost them in a standard download format.
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Olorinus the Ludicrous wrote:
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#4 Sep 05 2010 at 11:29 PM Rating: Good
Pawkeshup Delivers on Time wrote:
All I did was straight up download the files from the sh*tty SE torrent and repost them in a standard download format.
It's not yours to distribute. Just because SE gives it away for free doesn't mean you can do the same. See basic copyright law.

Next time, post it as a reply, instead of making a thread; it's less likely to be seen by an admin that way

Edited, Sep 6th 2010 1:37am by ThePsychoticOne
#5 Sep 06 2010 at 12:12 AM Rating: Good
Pawkeshup Delivers on Time wrote:
ThePsychoticOne the Prohpet wrote:
Pawkeshup Delivers on Time wrote:
My post is now "unviewable" meaning one of you fancy admin types sh*tcanned it. So, I'm glad you enjoy pissing on people helping the community at large.
Those silly admins, caring more about rules than the community.

Seriously though, you know you're not allowed to do that, so i'm not sure why you're surprised. Of course since they won't actually do anything about it, except nuke it, i've always just ignored it, and posted whatever to help whoever happens to see the post before it gets nuked.

Edited, Sep 6th 2010 1:18am by ThePsychoticOne
They haven't nuked the megaupload posts. Just mine. And I was going to keep updating that thread for people to bookmark it as long as I still had bandwidth to spare. And why is t against the rules? It's against the rules to post cracked game downloads. All I did was straight up download the files from the sh*tty SE torrent and repost them in a standard download format.


I reported your post because SE has asked people not to download the game client and patches from external sources. Their request was noted here on ZAM...that's how I knew about it.

There's already a post on the forums about how to work around the patcher. It involves using something like uTorrent/BitTorrent/etc. to open the torrent files SE provides. Then you close the patcher and let the other torrent client manage the download. The difference between that method and your method is that the source remains the same whether you use the patcher or the third party torrent client, whereas your method raises the potential down the line for abuse.

I'm sure your files were secure and safe, but it's a bad practice to get people into the habit of downloading their game patches from unsanctioned sources. It would be just a matter of time before someone downloaded something that someone had altered, ends up with a virus/keylogger, loses their account, and then blames SE for the catastrophe.

The admins were just doing their jobs. When SE says don't do it, ZAM can't allow posts to remain in place that enable people to do what SE has said not to do.
#6 Sep 06 2010 at 1:38 AM Rating: Decent
Why report it? Allowed or not allowed, he was just trying to help other people out.
#7 Sep 06 2010 at 1:59 AM Rating: Good
Stalker Lubriderm wrote:
Why report it? Allowed or not allowed, he was just trying to help other people out.


Why not? Why does the community get to crow incessantly about how mature and respectable they are while they simultaneously ignore and/or **** on anyone who tells them what they don't want to hear? I don't make the rules. SE does. And regardless of what SE may or may not do for ZAM should the admins collaborate with them where requested, there's no benefit to the community in contravening SE's wishes...particularly when an alternative solution is already available.
#8 Sep 06 2010 at 2:00 AM Rating: Good
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there's no benefit to the community in contravening SE's wishes...particularly when an alternative solution is already available.
No benefit to providing a superior solution to a problem? Really?
#9 Sep 06 2010 at 2:11 AM Rating: Good
ThePsychoticOne the Prohpet wrote:
The One and Only Aurelius wrote:
there's no benefit to the community in contravening SE's wishes...particularly when an alternative solution is already available.
No benefit to providing a superior solution to a problem? Really?


It's not a superior solution. I downloaded the client at a pretty steady 900kb/s using BitTorrent to open and manage the torrent information SE provided. Not only that, but I had all of the patches that went with the main client before the main client was even done downloading (instead of getting hung up for hours at ~95% complete on 6 separate patches). In doing so, I bypassed the virtually non-functioning client SE provided while still drawing my data from the exact same source SE gave us. For a community that never seems to pass up an opportunity to pat themselves on the back for resenting the idea of being spoon fed, ignoring SE for the sake of a one-click download because they don't want to learn how to use a torrent client doesn't seem to fit, ya know?

As I said...there's no long term benefit to the community in getting them accustomed to the idea of downloading clients/patches from external sources. Sooner or later, someone is going to plant something in one of the patches archives that doesn't belong there and a swarm of people who should know better but didn't are going to wind up with hacked and/or suspended accounts because of it.
#10 Sep 06 2010 at 2:13 AM Rating: Decent
The One and Only Aurelius wrote:
It's not a superior solution. I downloaded the client at a pretty steady 900kb/s using BitTorrent to open and manage the torrent information SE provided. Not only that, but I had all of the patches that went with the main client before the main client was even done downloading (instead of getting hung up for hours at ~95% complete on 6 separate patches). In doing so, I bypassed the virtually non-functioning client SE provided while still drawing my data from the exact same source SE gave us. For a community that never seems to pass up an opportunity to pat themselves on the back for resenting the idea of being spoon fed, ignoring SE for the sake of a one-click download because they don't want to learn how to use a torrent client doesn't seem to fit, ya know?
Because people are always so generous with seeding, amirite?
#11 Sep 06 2010 at 2:29 AM Rating: Decent
The One and Only Aurelius wrote:


As I said...there's no long term benefit to the community in getting them accustomed to the idea of downloading clients/patches from external sources. Sooner or later, someone is going to plant something in one of the patches archives that doesn't belong there and a swarm of people who should know better but didn't are going to wind up with hacked and/or suspended accounts because of it.


There is no long term benefit for narcing on people just trying to help other out.
#12 Sep 06 2010 at 2:33 AM Rating: Decent
ThePsychoticOne the Prohpet wrote:
The One and Only Aurelius wrote:
It's not a superior solution. I downloaded the client at a pretty steady 900kb/s using BitTorrent to open and manage the torrent information SE provided. Not only that, but I had all of the patches that went with the main client before the main client was even done downloading (instead of getting hung up for hours at ~95% complete on 6 separate patches). In doing so, I bypassed the virtually non-functioning client SE provided while still drawing my data from the exact same source SE gave us. For a community that never seems to pass up an opportunity to pat themselves on the back for resenting the idea of being spoon fed, ignoring SE for the sake of a one-click download because they don't want to learn how to use a torrent client doesn't seem to fit, ya know?
Because people are always so generous with seeding, amirite?


Uhm...yes. The seed/peer swarm is there whether you use SE's client or a third party client. The third party clients just manage it better. Much better. 2 hours for a 4.7GB download instead of the 36+ hours SE's client was telling me. 900kb/s vs. 25-75kb/s (and frequently 0kb/s for extended periods of time.) Obviously it works, and will continue to work until SE gets their client sorted out at which point no third party assistance will be warranted in any fashion.

At the end of the day, Pawkeshup started a thread providing a means by which people could do what SE asked them not to do. It's SE's IP, not Pawkeshup's. He was trying to help. But there was already help available that didn't require him to violate SE's IP rights to dictate how their property is to be distributed. Nobody is going to be suffering through 0-25kb/s patch downloads because Pawkeshup's thread was nuked unless they need to be spoonfed completed files with no further thought from them. But this is the XI/XIV crowd...they don't need spoonfed anything. They'll be just fine.
#13 Sep 06 2010 at 2:35 AM Rating: Decent
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The One and Only Aurelius wrote:


As I said...there's no long term benefit to the community in getting them accustomed to the idea of downloading clients/patches from external sources. Sooner or later, someone is going to plant something in one of the patches archives that doesn't belong there and a swarm of people who should know better but didn't are going to wind up with hacked and/or suspended accounts because of it.


There is no long term benefit for narcing on people just trying to help other out.


Tell that to the swarm of people who took it upon themselves to report me every time I told them something they didn't want to hear. I did it because that's what the report function is for. If it gets under your skin, good. If it doesn't, good. This thread is headed for a lock anyways.
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I nuked it. The SE people apperently asked us to filter posts like that, and in order to maintain nicy community relations, we try to accomadate such requests. If Pikko wants to start allowing them and un-nuke it, I'm fine with that too. I'm not really invested in ensuring that particular post never sees the light of day. It wasn't aimed at pissing you off.

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#15 Sep 06 2010 at 7:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
I nuked it. The SE people apperently asked us to filter posts like that, and in order to maintain nicy community relations, we try to accomadate such requests. If Pikko wants to start allowing them and un-nuke it, I'm fine with that too. I'm not really invested in ensuring that particular post never sees the light of day. It wasn't aimed at pissing you off.

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Then use those nicy community relations to tell them that at this point, all we're able to beta test is other torrent programs or our patience with their poor choice of downloader.

As for the torrent options, there are people who CANNOT torrent at all, so giving them a straight download would be a great alternative.
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#16 Sep 06 2010 at 2:15 PM Rating: Default
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ThePsychoticOne the Prohpet wrote:
Because people are always so generous with seeding, amirite?
Uhm...yes. The seed/peer swarm is there whether you use SE's client or a third party client. The third party clients just manage it better. Much better. 2 hours for a 4.7GB download instead of the 36+ hours SE's client was telling me. 900kb/s vs. 25-75kb/s (and frequently 0kb/s for extended periods of time.) Obviously it works, and will continue to work until SE gets their client sorted out at which point no third party assistance will be warranted in any fashion.
Strawman much? I didn't ask if it worked well for you. I commented about how most people will download what they need, and then stop seeding (or set their upload cap very very slow). Just because you downloaded it just fine doesn't mean jack sh*t. Sure, it'll be easy to get an update right away, but what if someone needs it a week later? Chances are most people won't still be seeding then.

If no one is seeding, you can't download a torrent.

Edited, Sep 6th 2010 4:16pm by ThePsychoticOne
#17 Sep 06 2010 at 3:17 PM Rating: Decent
ThePsychoticOne the Prohpet wrote:
The One and Only Aurelius wrote:
ThePsychoticOne the Prohpet wrote:
Because people are always so generous with seeding, amirite?
Uhm...yes. The seed/peer swarm is there whether you use SE's client or a third party client. The third party clients just manage it better. Much better. 2 hours for a 4.7GB download instead of the 36+ hours SE's client was telling me. 900kb/s vs. 25-75kb/s (and frequently 0kb/s for extended periods of time.) Obviously it works, and will continue to work until SE gets their client sorted out at which point no third party assistance will be warranted in any fashion.
Strawman much? I didn't ask if it worked well for you. I commented about how most people will download what they need, and then stop seeding (or set their upload cap very very slow). Just because you downloaded it just fine doesn't mean jack sh*t. Sure, it'll be easy to get an update right away, but what if someone needs it a week later? Chances are most people won't still be seeding then.

If no one is seeding, you can't download a torrent.


You're uninformed and just trolling for lulz. Inform yourself and then PM me with your rebuttal if you must, but the bottom line is that a thread was started to enable people to contravene SE's wishes, it got reported and subsequently nuked, and the only reason I responded to this thread is to take some of the heat off the admins. My decision to report Pawkeshup wasn't personal, wasn't done in the hopes of getting him punished, and wouldn't have warranted criticism from me directed at the admins if they had let the thread stand.
#18 Sep 06 2010 at 3:26 PM Rating: Decent
The One and Only Aurelius wrote:
You're uninformed and just trolling for lulz.
About what? You can only download a torrent as fast as it's being seeded. If there's a lot of seeds, you can easily anywhere from 1-10+ mb/s based entirely on your connection speed. However if there aren't many seeds, or if all of the seeds are uploading very slowly, you may not even be able to get 5 kb/s. Of course SE will presumably always seed everything, so the torrents will never actually die, until they are outdated and unneeded, but even with a 1 gbps connection, one seed isn't going to upload very fast if there's a lot of people leeching.

Torrents rely on people continuing to seed after they finish downloading, and if no one does, then you won't be able to download them very quickly.
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