I came to the realization that Wowhead blows them out of the water in terms of Quest info content. Load times, clear and concise information, better maps, better search functions etc.
Dang Alla, get with the times!
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Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
Agreed.
I love WoWhead. Only really come here for the forums.
I love WoWhead. Only really come here for the forums.
Ditto.
For some reason the people who post on these forums amuse me. Good debates. Decent wit. I'm just used to everyone. I even still post on my FFXI server forums for the same reasons.
Alla is lucky to have us, wonder how long it can keep on lasting. Sometimes it feels like clinging to remnants of something that is dying.
Ok that last statement was emo. >.>
For some reason the people who post on these forums amuse me. Good debates. Decent wit. I'm just used to everyone. I even still post on my FFXI server forums for the same reasons.
Alla is lucky to have us, wonder how long it can keep on lasting. Sometimes it feels like clinging to remnants of something that is dying.
Ok that last statement was emo. >.>
An old silent pond...
A frog jumps into the pond,
splash! Silence again.
~ Matsuo Basho
A frog jumps into the pond,
splash! Silence again.
~ Matsuo Basho
KTurner wrote:
Agreed.
I love WoWhead. Only really come here for the forums.
I love WoWhead. Only really come here for the forums.
Same, if Wowhead would get forums I'd never come here.
The great thing about wowhead is that there are no crappy comments
ex: "I can craft this horde side darksorrow"
or "hunter loot"x1000
Somehow, the rating system really sucks on alla
ex: "I can craft this horde side darksorrow"
or "hunter loot"x1000
Somehow, the rating system really sucks on alla
Simple, easy to use, clean uncluttered information, great design, fast page loads.
I think I will soon only be using allakhazam to post as well!
I think I will soon only be using allakhazam to post as well!
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
The reason this site is so great is because of us. There is nothing left of what used to make it great.
It takes a lot longer to load than Thottbot or Wowhead. The database is smaller and the search is so sensitive you can't really find what you're looking for unless you know the exact wording.
The forums are still the same, except for the random RMT advert. I have to admit, the admins are doing a fine job weeding them out, but the double standard is so amazing it's unbearable. We used to be able to point fingers and laugh at other websites who couldn't resist the golden RMT nugget, because Allakhazam.com was different. Now we still point fingers, but the laugh is filled with doubt about who exactly runs things here now. Aren't we really pointing fingers at ourselves?
People have dug up facts that show this site to be a happy member of the Pierce Brock family. Pierce Brock is the guy who created IGE for those who don't know. He is also the guy who runs Affinity Media, the company who happens to run Allakhazam.com as well. Asking admins about more information has resulted in answers like "I don't know, we weren't told," "Ask Allakhazam, but he's not in right now" and "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky."
They insist that everything is being run by the same people, which is great, I guess. But the same people are now receiving their monthly paycheck from guys who don't give a **** about whether or not RMT ruins our games. This site used to advertise itself as a website "for gamers, by gamers". I guess those times are over.
It's a dead horse subject, but it'll be my last, so at least allow me to write it through. Allakhazam made a smart business deal which made him financially independent on this site. I applaud this from a financial perspective, because I remember hearing about how every month was a fight for profit. He did it to save his neck and the site. He did save his neck, yes.
I no longer have any idea where the information I provide goes now. To Affinity Media? To IGE? What is the information gathered from WoWReader used for? Building up the database or providing the IGE partners with a list of character names to spam advertisement to? It's just paranoid guessing, but I shouldn't have to worry about it.
And one or more admins will most likely try to prove me wrong, but that's because they don't want people to leave. It's bad for business. No one's going to stand up and say "Yes! Hell yes, we sold the site to the Devil for mammon!" It's a bad business move. Well, it didn't deserve it. The site should've been closed instead. Perhaps the name will still be around five years from now, but I will forever see IGE and RMT written all over it. Knowing that the owner gave up the site's soul for the most basic of all needs: profit. Good job on the business move, but you should've killed it instead.
I won't support RMT in any form and I do so by staying here, by helping the site grow. I should've doen this a long time ago. The site is dead, or at least the part which had be interested back then. The people are still great here, but it's not enough for me to give up my own principles. I'm removing anything that might be beneficial to the site and I'll see you all out there.
Game on.
Oh, and I totally beat Shojindo on the emo part.
It takes a lot longer to load than Thottbot or Wowhead. The database is smaller and the search is so sensitive you can't really find what you're looking for unless you know the exact wording.
The forums are still the same, except for the random RMT advert. I have to admit, the admins are doing a fine job weeding them out, but the double standard is so amazing it's unbearable. We used to be able to point fingers and laugh at other websites who couldn't resist the golden RMT nugget, because Allakhazam.com was different. Now we still point fingers, but the laugh is filled with doubt about who exactly runs things here now. Aren't we really pointing fingers at ourselves?
People have dug up facts that show this site to be a happy member of the Pierce Brock family. Pierce Brock is the guy who created IGE for those who don't know. He is also the guy who runs Affinity Media, the company who happens to run Allakhazam.com as well. Asking admins about more information has resulted in answers like "I don't know, we weren't told," "Ask Allakhazam, but he's not in right now" and "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky."
They insist that everything is being run by the same people, which is great, I guess. But the same people are now receiving their monthly paycheck from guys who don't give a **** about whether or not RMT ruins our games. This site used to advertise itself as a website "for gamers, by gamers". I guess those times are over.
It's a dead horse subject, but it'll be my last, so at least allow me to write it through. Allakhazam made a smart business deal which made him financially independent on this site. I applaud this from a financial perspective, because I remember hearing about how every month was a fight for profit. He did it to save his neck and the site. He did save his neck, yes.
I no longer have any idea where the information I provide goes now. To Affinity Media? To IGE? What is the information gathered from WoWReader used for? Building up the database or providing the IGE partners with a list of character names to spam advertisement to? It's just paranoid guessing, but I shouldn't have to worry about it.
And one or more admins will most likely try to prove me wrong, but that's because they don't want people to leave. It's bad for business. No one's going to stand up and say "Yes! Hell yes, we sold the site to the Devil for mammon!" It's a bad business move. Well, it didn't deserve it. The site should've been closed instead. Perhaps the name will still be around five years from now, but I will forever see IGE and RMT written all over it. Knowing that the owner gave up the site's soul for the most basic of all needs: profit. Good job on the business move, but you should've killed it instead.
I won't support RMT in any form and I do so by staying here, by helping the site grow. I should've doen this a long time ago. The site is dead, or at least the part which had be interested back then. The people are still great here, but it's not enough for me to give up my own principles. I'm removing anything that might be beneficial to the site and I'll see you all out there.
Game on.
Oh, and I totally beat Shojindo on the emo part.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
If you tell us what specifically you like about their design that we are missing, we will be glad to add it. We've made quite a few changes to our wow design over the past few months to make it more user friendly without losing the additional information and options that we have that other sites are missing. Personally, I like to have more information and options rather than less, so I prefer our layout to wowhead and thottbot. But I understand many people like the simplified layout. We're trying to figure out how to satisfy everyone.
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We're trying to figure out how to satisfy everyone.
"You can't please all of the people all of the time"
I'd never visited WoWhead before just now and I gotta say....damn! I'll definitely be using that from now on.
Don't worry though, I'll still come here to post so you all have a reason to stay.
Don't worry though, I'll still come here to post so you all have a reason to stay.
Mazra wrote:
I no longer have any idea where the information I provide goes now. To Affinity Media? To IGE? What is the information gathered from WoWReader used for? Building up the database or providing the IGE partners with a list of character names to spam advertisement to? It's just paranoid guessing, but I shouldn't have to worry about it.
You know, this gets brought up so often, it almost seems like an obcession. The data mined by WoWReader gets uploaded to the Allakhazam site. The site then displays all the mined data. Reguardless of who owns/operates/funds Allakhazam, everyone has equivalent access to the information. So whether Allakhazam was completely independantly owned, or was funded by a comglomerate of all RMT companies out there, everyone, gold farmer or lost quester alike, would have the exact same information on hand anyways.
I've used wowhead but I don't like how I have to go through the menus to get the things I need.
Sure I can use the search feature similiar to the one here, but there are a few things I find that when I do a search for....I do not get the info I want and have to use the menus and things.
It's a good site and all, not much different than this one, but this one works better for me.
Sure I can use the search feature similiar to the one here, but there are a few things I find that when I do a search for....I do not get the info I want and have to use the menus and things.
It's a good site and all, not much different than this one, but this one works better for me.
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Building up the database or providing the IGE partners with a list of character names to spam advertisement to? It's just paranoid guessing, but I shouldn't have to worry about it.
That is actually a stupid comment. Why? The Armory would be 100x better for finding characters to spam than this site...why? Im not a premium member and don't use the wowreader because of this, some don't use it and are premium...guess which data base is better for names....yup blizards very own.
OK I thought this would give good wow feedback, but instead turned into an IGE bashing thread, so I'm moving it to the general feedback forum. I'll also throw in a little hint that Affinity Media has an upcoming announcement that may well shock all the tin foil hat people out there.
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Allakhazam Defender of Justice wrote:
If you tell us what specifically you like about their design that we are missing, we will be glad to add it. We've made quite a few changes to our wow design over the past few months to make it more user friendly without losing the additional information and options that we have that other sites are missing. Personally, I like to have more information and options rather than less, so I prefer our layout to wowhead and thottbot. But I understand many people like the simplified layout. We're trying to figure out how to satisfy everyone.
And we'll see results in what, 7 years?
<linked from the FFXI suggestion board.
I come here to laugh at the lolalla.
FFXIclopedia and Somepage have the info, Alla has the comedy.
I come here to laugh at the lolalla.
FFXIclopedia and Somepage have the info, Alla has the comedy.
Laugh all you want, their database is much more complete than yours.
Not as good as FFXIclopedia, but Somepage's search engine is useful.
Not as good as FFXIclopedia, but Somepage's search engine is useful.
Allakhazam Defender of Justice wrote:
I'll also throw in a little hint that Affinity Media has an upcoming announcement that may well shock all the tin foil hat people out there.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
NotASock wrote:
Laugh all you want, their database is much more complete than yours.
No, it really isn't.
Go back to the starter areas and enjoy searching info on bees and lizards.
WoW head just much less 'uncluttered'.
I have a number of real life friends who play WoW, as well as the oodles and oodles of random people I have chatted with in game over my 2+ years of playing. A lot of them are put off from Allakhazam for a number of reasons. One of the main ones is that the tool bar on the left hand side of the page can be quite confusing to navigate through if you are unfamiliar with it. And people are not going to take the time to figure it out when you have a site that is as functional as wow head.
wow head has a black screen with a search bar. Then two unobtrusive but easy to navigate tool bars that give easy access to the database. It loads fast. Searches are less rigorous than Allas (I always need to have exact spelling and wording if I want a quest/item search to work on zam.com). If I do a random word search say 'dark' it is cleanly split into quest/item/mob etc. I can then sort by level, item type, area etc. Makes looking very convenient.
The quest info. Same as yours but in a simpler layout. If I click on the NPC they have a clear Dot showing the exact co-ords on a map. On allakhazams I get 'the general area' sometimes with a very hard to discern co-ordinate put on the picture of the NPC.
On a completely different side note - Quit bashing other sites. They may or may not deserve it. I have seen DF kicking worldofwar.net for having security issues, which is not cool considering the fact that Allakhazam has had malicious programs in their advertising before. I have seen a number of other snarky remarks along the way as well by a number of the newer admins. One could even go back to Allakhazam trashing thotbot and its attempts to purchase allakhazam.com LLC.
If you have some good true dirt on a site or whoever owns the site then put it out there and let us make our own decisions. If you are going to make snide remarks based on insider knowledge that you aren't going to share with us then keep it to yourself it is unprofessional and for a site that has so many unanswered questions itself it is just plain silly.
I have a number of real life friends who play WoW, as well as the oodles and oodles of random people I have chatted with in game over my 2+ years of playing. A lot of them are put off from Allakhazam for a number of reasons. One of the main ones is that the tool bar on the left hand side of the page can be quite confusing to navigate through if you are unfamiliar with it. And people are not going to take the time to figure it out when you have a site that is as functional as wow head.
wow head has a black screen with a search bar. Then two unobtrusive but easy to navigate tool bars that give easy access to the database. It loads fast. Searches are less rigorous than Allas (I always need to have exact spelling and wording if I want a quest/item search to work on zam.com). If I do a random word search say 'dark' it is cleanly split into quest/item/mob etc. I can then sort by level, item type, area etc. Makes looking very convenient.
The quest info. Same as yours but in a simpler layout. If I click on the NPC they have a clear Dot showing the exact co-ords on a map. On allakhazams I get 'the general area' sometimes with a very hard to discern co-ordinate put on the picture of the NPC.
On a completely different side note - Quit bashing other sites. They may or may not deserve it. I have seen DF kicking worldofwar.net for having security issues, which is not cool considering the fact that Allakhazam has had malicious programs in their advertising before. I have seen a number of other snarky remarks along the way as well by a number of the newer admins. One could even go back to Allakhazam trashing thotbot and its attempts to purchase allakhazam.com LLC.
If you have some good true dirt on a site or whoever owns the site then put it out there and let us make our own decisions. If you are going to make snide remarks based on insider knowledge that you aren't going to share with us then keep it to yourself it is unprofessional and for a site that has so many unanswered questions itself it is just plain silly.
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
Those are definitly things the programmy types can look into. The nice thing about having hoardes of programmers is that they can program things for us!
As far as missing data, does anyone have a list of things we may be missing?
As far as missing data, does anyone have a list of things we may be missing?
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I wouldn't say they have more/less data than you. That is a claim/counterclaim that some one else made.
All I can say is that their data is infinitely more easy to access and sort through than yours. They also have a decent Talent Point Calculator compared to your gut wrenchingly horrible 'Talents' section. They also happen to load faster than your site.
I gave one example of ease of access to information allow me to give another. Class abilities. On Allas I have to look on the side bar, first I try "Basic Information - Class..." Well I just get the basic info and the class forum. There is a link to class abilities/spells on the side but once again it is a pain to click yet another link hoping it takes me to the right information. I could however scroll even further down the bar and eventually come to 'Spells - by Class' but that is 30 links below and by then I am frustrated.
With WoW head I put my mouse over 'browse' which drops down a list similar to your side bar but more compact. I then mouse over 'spells' and another menu opens and voila class spells and classes, it is as intuitive as moving your mouse to navigate a simple menu. Rather than clicking and trying to navigate your cumbersome side bar.
All I can say is that their data is infinitely more easy to access and sort through than yours. They also have a decent Talent Point Calculator compared to your gut wrenchingly horrible 'Talents' section. They also happen to load faster than your site.
I gave one example of ease of access to information allow me to give another. Class abilities. On Allas I have to look on the side bar, first I try "Basic Information - Class..." Well I just get the basic info and the class forum. There is a link to class abilities/spells on the side but once again it is a pain to click yet another link hoping it takes me to the right information. I could however scroll even further down the bar and eventually come to 'Spells - by Class' but that is 30 links below and by then I am frustrated.
With WoW head I put my mouse over 'browse' which drops down a list similar to your side bar but more compact. I then mouse over 'spells' and another menu opens and voila class spells and classes, it is as intuitive as moving your mouse to navigate a simple menu. Rather than clicking and trying to navigate your cumbersome side bar.
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
Why not just type in what you're looking for in the search bar...?
Now maybe i havent seen it, and please tell me if im wrong here and its there, But i have not seen a Big Open white box with a search button under it. This is a huge commodity imo, I hate scrolling down the side bar to look for the Genreal catagory then in to another sub catagory.
Why dont you have a Simple search tool bar where one can imput the Item, WS NPC, Location they want and it will link to a "similar topics" page. and I dont mean forum search. Just basic Database Info.
It would keep me from getting frustrated and going to ffxiclopedia and typing it in after looking through the tool bar for 10 min.
And why is there a page here about WOW! This is not a wow site, damn it! FFXI onry.
Why dont you have a Simple search tool bar where one can imput the Item, WS NPC, Location they want and it will link to a "similar topics" page. and I dont mean forum search. Just basic Database Info.
It would keep me from getting frustrated and going to ffxiclopedia and typing it in after looking through the tool bar for 10 min.
And why is there a page here about WOW! This is not a wow site, damn it! FFXI onry.
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