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#1 Nov 01 2004 at 1:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok...I posted a question in one of the FFXI forums about IGE and copyrights. When I posted that I had a rating of 3.05 and my name was in the yellow, scholar it was I believe.

I check back a week (about) later and all of the sudden I got a rating of 2.02. What? Why did I get rated down so badly? Was asking about copyrights really some kind of taboo thing to do? o .O

Does anyone really take Karma seriously on this site or are there people who just like to ***** with everyone's ratings? How many people does it take to rip a rating down like that so quickly?
o. O

I wish there were some sort of explanation you had to give if you rated someone down. >_< I really don't understand what I did wrong.
#2 Nov 01 2004 at 1:48 PM Rating: Decent
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Karma Trolls are the ones that rate people down 99.9 percent of the time.

There are also ALOT of topics about IGE and people are sick of reading them thats why you were rated down so much.

Edited, Mon Nov 1 13:55:05 2004 by Brisk
#3 Nov 01 2004 at 1:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Oi that's hardly fair. =/ Just because I had IGE in the title rates me down so far? I'm guessing if anyone rated me down for that they didn't really read the thread. ._ . I had adressed all gil sellers in the thread but IGE was the only one I could fit in title.

Argh. =(
#4 Nov 01 2004 at 4:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, sadly enough there are karma trolls who have no lives outside of rating people down for random threads/posts here. Also, many people will automatically rate-down a gil seller post just because they don't feel like reading about the topic again. If any of those people actually took the time to explore the concept of the karma system, they'd see that rate-downs weren't ever intended to be used to show disagreement with someone's constructive post. Unfortunately we all see that those original intentions are rarely taken to heart. Don't let it get you down..ultimately you'll come out on top if you keep making useful/amusing (can't forget the humor) posts!

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#5 Nov 01 2004 at 11:14 PM Rating: Decent
Maybe the best thing to do is to stop whining about it? Christ, grow up, it's not that huge of a deal if you get rated down.

The Karma listed next to each post is the Karma for that post. Your average Karma is still above 3.00, or you wouldn't have a blue name (Scholar). You can see average karma by clicking on your name next to a post.
#6 Nov 01 2004 at 11:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Maybe the best thing to do is to stop whining about it? Christ, grow up, it's not that huge of a deal if you get rated down.

The Karma listed next to each post is the Karma for that post. Your average Karma is still above 3.00, or you wouldn't have a blue name (Scholar). You can see average karma by clicking on your name next to a post.


I wasn't whining about it, thanks. I was asking why I had been rated down like nuts for asking a simple question. |:,

I see why now, though. People on this forum are way too uptight.
#7 Nov 01 2004 at 11:57 PM Rating: Decent
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People on this forum are way too uptight.

No, people on this forum are sick and tired of people whining about their karma. Or when they post a question that the answer to may be a little further down on the page. Also, alot of FFXIers seem to rate people down for apparently no reason. They also seem to hold grudges and will contniue to rate people down long after their argumants have been dead.
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#8 Nov 02 2004 at 12:05 AM Rating: Good
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No, people on this forum are sick and tired of people whining about their karma. Or when they post a question that the answer to may be a little further down on the page. Also, alot of FFXIers seem to rate people down for apparently no reason. They also seem to hold grudges and will contniue to rate people down long after their argumants have been dead.


Oi, I'm not whining about my karma. I wouldn't give two licks about it if someone explained why they were rating me down. Watching my karma fluxuate over the past 20 minutes is getting tiresome. 3.05...2.02...3.98....2.77....3.00...2.80...

And not one person says anything about why they did it? >_o

Forgive me for making the general statement, but I think it's a bit uptight to get rude with someone who obviously hasn't been here for too long, rate them down six notches, not explain why, or even attempt to help them learn how to navigate the place. Hell most people don't even answer most of the questions I put in my posts. They seem to jump off of the first two lines...

In the first post you'll see that I asked how the karma works, how many people it takes to bend it one way or the other, but nobody has answered that. There's only been one person who attempted to be nice about it when I asked my questions..

That also leads me to believe that this karma thing is totally nuts. >_< If a person who is rated 2.71 is nicer and more helpful than someone who is 4.24, what is wrong with the raters and what exactly is the point of the karma system?

Aaargh. >-<
#9 Nov 02 2004 at 12:53 AM Rating: Default
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someone rate me down to -5.00 maybe then i wouldnt care anymore having hit rock bottom
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#10 Nov 02 2004 at 12:59 AM Rating: Decent
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In the first post you'll see that I asked how the karma works, how many people it takes to bend it one way or the other, but nobody has answered that.

Unfortunately, I don't think anyone knows the answer to that question, or if they do they've never mentioned it. Sorry if I seem a bit harsh, and perhaps you weren't "whining" about karma, however the questions you asked have been asked before, and will undoubtedly be asked again. Smiley: oyvey
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#11 Nov 02 2004 at 7:17 AM Rating: Decent
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The Karma listed next to each post is the Karma for that post. Your average Karma is still above 3.00, or you wouldn't have a blue name (Scholar). You can see average karma by clicking on your name next to a post.


While you lost Scholar, the point is the same- individual Karma fluctuations on your post count don't matter much. Your average Karma rating is much more stable.
#12 Nov 02 2004 at 10:19 AM Rating: Good
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RPZip wrote:
While you lost Scholar, the point is the same- individual Karma fluctuations on your post count don't matter much. Your average Karma rating is much more stable.


Umm..while I see your point of view, I don't think it really applies in all situations. You've got over 2000 posts, so of course one or two post rate-downs won't affect you. As for the OP, I see a post count of around 70, so a few post rate-downs will have a much larger effect.

I'm not saying that any one of us really cares much about karma one way or the other, but I think you have to take each person's situation/post count into consideration for your theory.
#13 Nov 02 2004 at 3:42 PM Rating: Good
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Ok...I posted a question in one of the FFXI forums about IGE and copyrights. When I posted that I had a rating of 3.05 and my name was in the yellow, scholar it was I believe.

I check back a week (about) later and all of the sudden I got a rating of 2.02. What? Why did I get rated down so badly? Was asking about copyrights really some kind of taboo thing to do? o .O

Does anyone really take Karma seriously on this site or are there people who just like to ***** with everyone's ratings? How many people does it take to rip a rating down like that so quickly?
o. O

I wish there were some sort of explanation you had to give if you rated someone down. >_< I really don't understand what I did wrong.



I'll give it a try, I'm bored at work...

When you start you get a default rating of either 2.0 or 3.0 But I cant remember its been too long.

After 30 or 50 posts, if your average karma of all posts is above 3.0 you become yellow Scholar.

As your post count gets higher and higher, your average karma will be harder to change, and many of the new people who come here dont know that they need to kiss serious *** and not post in any thread where some kind of debate is taking place. Otherwise your Karma will be shot right to begin with.

However, if you only post in non-controversial threads, and manage to get a good Karma rating, be it Sage or Guru, you still need to be careful. Some people feel it is thier job to make sure un-deserving people dont gain this status(Un-deserving in that individules opinion) and they will continue to negatively camp your Karma.

Your thread about IGE got ragted down because people in the main forum have seen 100+ gil-sellers threads. And as some people exercise their choice to skip the thread if it bothers them, other people arent quite as mature. So because you posted a repetative thread, people rated you down.

It can be your first post, but if you havent spent the time to research on your own, weather or not you have the premium search function, or even have no clue how to get to page 2, the people in the FFXI forum will first respond to your post with "Beating a dead horse" jokes, then complaints/insults, and by reply 20, it has become a joke thread where the popular people will say stuff like "I like Cheese" all the while complaining about your IGE post that should have been put in a different forum, or not posted at all. Because even though you have 1 post ever, you are still an idiot for being new and not knowing everything, or how hostile this environment is.

Some people realy do care about Karma, until they get slapped in the face enough to leave, or complain about it and get nuked, or give in and be one of the "I dont care about my Karma" fan club.

If someone with a high post count and high status like Guru rates you, I believe it has more of an impact than a Scholar with 100 posts.

In my opinion, the majority of the community is way more likely to rate a person down for anything they even slightly disagree with, often skip right over the good informative posts without a thought of a rate up. People will next to never give a reason for a rate down, more or less just do it because they can.

So, my advice to you, kiss serious ***. Don't ever post in any thread where opinion is involved. Never mention Karma. Be like some other people here and make a friend and agree to rate eachother up for every little post you make. The army of Kefka was good for that. Once you get to 1,000 + posts, you can start to have an opinion, but even at 1,000 posts your not safe. Hell, you should probably throw out that account and start over.

Good luck to you. I hope this helped a little, and welcome to the community!
#14 Nov 02 2004 at 4:28 PM Rating: Good
the post requirement is 16 posts with average rating of 3.01 or around there for scholar. Sage is 3.65 (which didnt last long for me thanks to my fanclub).

The reason why trolls dont explain why they rated you down is because that reveals who they are, thus opening them up to the same camping. And if they lose the ability to rate, lo and behold they must go out and get a life or find some other childish thing to do with thier time.

Your post was rated down because its a deadhorse topic. So many people, not just trolls, will karma bomb such threads. Its how it goes.

Edited, Fri Nov 5 10:59:24 2004 by Lienna
#15 Nov 02 2004 at 6:29 PM Rating: Good
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So, my advice to you, kiss serious ***. Don't ever post in any thread where opinion is involved. Never mention Karma. Be like some other people here and make a friend and agree to rate eachother up for every little post you make. The army of Kefka was good for that. Once you get to 1,000 + posts, you can start to have an opinion, but even at 1,000 posts your not safe. Hell, you should probably throw out that account and start over.

Good luck to you. I hope this helped a little, and welcome to the community!


o_ O My god. If I have to wait 1,000 posts to have a slight opinion I'd rather be walking around with a 1.77 for the rest of my Allakhazam life. x. X

If I manage to gain bigger load of free time that'd probably be the time I'd start over. However most of my time goes to FFXI or other message boards. o. O What's most likely to happen is I'll just sit around in the little leviathan board.

Thanks for your post, that did help a lot. o_x
#16 Nov 04 2004 at 4:46 PM Rating: Decent
I think the more pertinent question is why you care that much about Karma that you're not going to have an opinion until you hit a thousand posts... but whatever.
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