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#1 Jul 16 2004 at 1:47 PM Rating: Decent
Please forgive me for posting 2 times in one day.

I am being Karma camped.

I know because all the posts I can find are being rated down.

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=11&mid=1089310015689616619&num=15


http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=11&mid=1089313297530726946&num=15

This nex one, someone tried to fix me, but I'm still lower than when I started.

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1089988746698755447&num=38


Someone obviously went out of their way to try and find my posts.

I assume you might be able to help me?

In this instance, I actualy got ratted down for praising someone in their own journal.

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/journal2.html?user=313974&mid=1089221408585449846&num=1


I realy want to be a part of this community, help when I can, and have fun, but I'm realy sick of being punished for nothing.

The karma system realy does nothing but aggrivate me, and no matter how many times I hear people say Karma is stupid and shouldn't bother you, I have to ask.

If you got slapped in the face 90% of the time you said something, would you enjoy talking any more?

Hundreds of helpful posts, get passed by with no ratings, step out of line for a second, fart in the wind, and people will crush you.

It's just not entertaining.


Edited, Fri Jul 16 15:03:54 2004 by SingBismark
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#2 Jul 16 2004 at 3:14 PM Rating: Decent
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This is really starting to bother me as well. I spend a lot of time writing out posts and guides and try to help people when they ask questions, yet my rating is quite bad. I don't have the slightest clue as to why.
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#3 Jul 16 2004 at 4:26 PM Rating: Default
I know I said that I'd only mention ratings here and in my journal, so here goes. Is darkdashing camping me or was that just a single thread?

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/journal2.html?user=313974&mid=1087516585449447296

By the way, I'm about to put in a request for that thread to be Nuked.

I'm getting rid of old server forum list versions now that the new Diabolos forum has been created.

It's funny how you get rated up for posting nonsense and down for posting technical help. Tell me if this deserved an Awful, since that's what it got:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1089470744761041448

And while we're at it, what's wrong with what I wrote here?

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1089999806520255099

The ratedowns on that last thread happened after each post was written. Someone kept checking back to see if I'd posted again.

Edited, Fri Jul 16 17:51:45 2004 by LadyOfHolyDarkness
#4 Jul 16 2004 at 4:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sing you are doing some rates, so someone is rating...

Lady, I can say you have a stalked in THAT one thread. Best bet, don't post on it any more.
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#5 Jul 16 2004 at 4:54 PM Rating: Default
SingBismark wrote:
In this instance, I actualy got ratted down for praising someone in their own journal.

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/journal2.html?user=313974&mid=1089221408585449846&num=1


Miravelle

That happened today by the way.

Edited, Fri Jul 16 17:58:18 2004 by LadyOfHolyDarkness
#6 Jul 16 2004 at 4:55 PM Rating: Default
You see what I mean then.
#7 Jul 17 2004 at 9:23 AM Rating: Decent
This very thread has been rated down.

Yea, In one thread I rated someone who rated me.

But that is no excuse for why my karma in every visible thread should be nuked.

Unless this is okay with you.

But I'm honestly very close to canceling my subscription here.

This is not a friendly community, and quite frankly, I find your reply unhelpful, and worthless.

Someone has gone out of their way to rate my posts into oblivion, and that is fine with the administration???

What good is having a forum, where people communicate with eachother, if they are punished for doing so?

This place has brought way too much aggrivation to me.

And I think your reply has pushed me over the top.

I say thank you, and I hope nobody else here ever needs your help, or they infact too, might find an extra 12$ a month in their checking account.

Edited, Sat Jul 17 10:30:10 2004 by SingBismark
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#8 Jul 17 2004 at 10:48 AM Rating: Excellent
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I understand your anger and since you feel the need to take it out on me, that is fine. Blame me!

I didn't rate you. And not just one person has rated you. It's a forum for pete's sake. You have a healthy rating, you can post and see them, you can rate others. You are a sage!

Not one single person is camping you. You were hit a few times in one thread, possibly two, we do not consider that camping. Your hit here was someone else. The reason for your hit here is because you are posting about karma, a lot of people don't like that no matter what forum you are in.

I am sorry my post pushed you over the top. At least someone responded, and I took the time from my being sick to try and help you some. I hope your day gets better, seems you need a hug.


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#9 Jul 17 2004 at 1:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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No. you are just pissed that you rated someone down and they figured it out. You currently have less 1 ratings than you have given out to other people, yet you have the gall to complain? out of 1200 posts, you have only 30 1 ratings. even if they were all from the same person, (which they are not)that isn't enough to significantly move your karma.

Just because you pay for premium doesn't give you the right to complain when people you yourself have rated down return the favor.
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#10 Jul 17 2004 at 2:18 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm just curious why my name was mentioned at all. That was surprising. :/

I don't karma camp anyone. I rate posts as I see fit.
#11 Jul 17 2004 at 2:25 PM Rating: Default
Cool by me. I just said who rated him down in that thread.

Actually, journal ratings don't do anything, so I'd like to know why people bother.

Edited, Sat Jul 17 15:33:12 2004 by LadyOfHolyDarkness
#12 Jul 17 2004 at 2:32 PM Rating: Decent
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I didn't rate him in that thread. Not that I'm aware of, at least. Perhaps before you go throwing my name around you could back this up with facts?

I have no grudge against anyone here, so please don't try and slander my name because you are paranoid about your karma rating.
#13 Jul 17 2004 at 2:39 PM Rating: Default
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I didn't rate him in that thread. Not that I'm aware of, at least. Perhaps before you go throwing my name around you could back this up with facts?


Fact.

If you're going to rate it, at least keep in mind that you did so.
#14 Jul 17 2004 at 2:50 PM Rating: Decent
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Well sh*t. I really don't remember doing that. My apologies. I don't even recall viewing your journal.

I see that you two rated yourselves right back up, so no harm done.
#15 Jul 17 2004 at 2:53 PM Rating: Default
I didn't rate anyone. I don't have the ability.

EDIT: But the apology is accepted.Smiley: smile
I only posted your name in response to the sentence I quoted.


Edited, Sat Jul 17 15:54:59 2004 by LadyOfHolyDarkness
#16 Jul 17 2004 at 3:02 PM Rating: Default
Actually, I have a game-related question for you Mira. I see in your profile that you are using a Bastokan Subligar. Is that one of the full-pants types or one of those nasty panty types?
#17 Jul 17 2004 at 3:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Nasty panties. Thankfully I'm a female Elvaan so I can pull it off. But I long for level 31 when I can slap some Magna Chausses on and cover my poor cold legs up.
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Miravelle wrote:
Well sh*t. I really don't remember doing that. My apologies. I don't even recall viewing your journal.

I see that you two rated yourselves right back up, so no harm done.


Actually each time you post it counts as twice, so they did not rate themselves back up. You cannot rate yourself.
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#19 Jul 17 2004 at 3:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, I still feel bad about it. No reason for a ratedown there.
#20 Jul 17 2004 at 3:15 PM Rating: Default
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Nasty panties. Thankfully I'm a female Elvaan so I can pull it off. But I long for level 31 when I can slap some Magna Chausses on and cover my poor cold legs up.

Thanks. In that case, I won't be buying them.

I like getting armor with good stats, but I can't stand looking at my character when she looks stupid. I ended up trading Fine Leggings for a pair of Black Slacks because the leggings made me look like I was wearing hot pants with panties over them.

On the subject of bad looking gear with good stats: Rangers in Optical Hats. It's the best hat there is for a Ranger, but it looks like a dunce cap. Only a Black Mage could wear something that looks like that and not look like a dork.

But then, that's just what I think...
#21 Jul 17 2004 at 4:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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But Lady I think everyone would prefer you in nasty panties /wink
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#22 Jul 17 2004 at 6:54 PM Rating: Decent
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I agree with the Admins here. Until your karma gets near the 3.00 threshold, I wouldn't complain. Nobody, and I mean nobody likes to hear people whining about karma, especially from a Sage no less. Also, your post count is fairly high so someone would have to camp you hardcore to really move your overall karma. I wouldn't worry about it.
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#23 Jul 17 2004 at 9:51 PM Rating: Good
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Well, I guess payback is a bitch. I got some crazy karma camping in just a few hours. Eh, no worries.
#24 Jul 17 2004 at 11:01 PM Rating: Decent
I find it amusing that this thread got hit.

After all, their name shows up right under ours. They obviously didn't click on my link to that screenshot.

Edited, Sun Jul 18 00:08:31 2004 by LadyOfHolyDarkness
#25 Jul 18 2004 at 11:33 AM Rating: Decent
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No. you are just pissed that you rated someone down and they figured it out. You currently have less 1 ratings than you have given out to other people, yet you have the gall to complain? out of 1200 posts, you have only 30 1 ratings. even if they were all from the same person, (which they are not)that isn't enough to significantly move your karma.

Just because you pay for premium doesn't give you the right to complain when people you yourself have rated down return the favor.



Okay, If we are talking about the 3rd link in my original post, you have to understand that Grumpywookie rated down my first 3 posts because he disagreed with me, I in return rated his forst 3 posts down, and told him I was.

He then in return, found other posts by me, and rated them down, which is intentional karma camping.

Besides the point, You forget that almost anybody can rate in this place, and I bet 90% of the rating is some little punk rating down a post for an opinion they didn't like.

70% of the people in the thread could agree with me, and not rate me up, but the 30% who dont, will rate me down, I see it all the time, and anybody who gives a crap about their karma, WILL be punished.


And, it DID move my karma, I am now a Scholar once again (I would think with all your high and mighty Administrative powers you would know the score necesary to be a scholar).

Lastly, you have not built a friendly invironment, I dare not join any thread where there is debate, it seems the only good threads karma wise are the ones bashing newbs and etc.. which I find to be a load of crap, the point being you are not allowed to have an opinoon in this place.



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1No. you are just pissed that you rated someone down and they figured it out.2 You currently have less 1 ratings than you have given out to other people, yet you have the gall to complain? out of 1200 posts, you have only 30 1 ratings. even if they were all from the same person, (which they are not)that isn't enough to significantly move your karma.

3Just because you pay for premium doesn't give you the right to complain when people you yourself have rated down return the favor.


1) No, I'm pissed that someone went out of their way to rate me down in places and on posts that provoked no such rating.

2) The gall to complain? The fact that I don't enjoy this place any more because I am so often punished for having an opinion by your broken karma systen, then post about it in the FEED BACK forum, and be told by the administration that I have the "Gall." And I doubt you noticed that I have handed out much more posative karma than negative.

3)The lack of help I found, when I felt I had a problem, and in return being called names is why I have decided not to renew my subscription here, alass, I am a moron and payed ahead, if only I could quit now and get my years wasted money back.

In return, I hope people see this thread, so if something like this ever happens, they know better then to ask for assistance.

Thank you for what has been a more than frustrating experience, I'll be sure to NOT recomend this site to firends

Edited, Sun Jul 18 12:36:29 2004 by SingBismark
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SingBismark wrote:


70% of the people in the thread could agree with me, and not rate me up, but the 30% who dont, will rate me down, I see it all the time, and anybody who gives a crap about their karma, WILL be punished.


What part of us repeatedly posting "don't complain about your Karma, beacause everyone will rate you down" was unclear here?

SingBismark wrote:

And, it DID move my karma, I am now a Scholar once again (I would think with all your high and mighty Administrative powers you would know the score necesary to be a scholar).


The forum karma levelometer wrote:

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SingBismark wrote:

Lastly, you have not built a friendly invironment, I dare not join any thread where there is debate, it seems the only good threads karma wise are the ones bashing newbs and etc.. which I find to be a load of crap, the point being you are not allowed to have an opinoon in this place.


so people rating you up to sage is preventing you from joining in debates and having an opinion? i'll make a note of that

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1) No, I'm pissed that someone went out of their way to rate me down in places and on posts that provoked no such rating.

A. it's more than one person, and B. when you decide to rate someone down, don't be suprised if they return the favor. Tell you what, go look up a definition of Karma somewhere eh?

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2) The gall to complain? The fact that I don't enjoy this place any more because I am so often punished for having an opinion by your broken karma systen, then post about it in the FEED BACK forum, and be told by the administration that I have the "Gall." And I doubt you noticed that I have handed out much more posative karma than negative.

30 1 ratings does not count as punishment under any sense of the word. You are not being karma camped, and quite frankly you are wasteing our time. On top of that you were rude to darkflame when she looked into the issue.

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In return, I hope people see this thread, so if something like this ever happens, they know better then to ask for assistance.

Yes. me too. It would be nice if we didn't have to deal with people complaining about being karma camped over a couple dozen ratings total out of over 1000 posts. Now if you would like an actual instance of karma camping to complain about, I would be more than happy to oblige.

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#27 Jul 18 2004 at 6:12 PM Rating: Good
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Seriously, it's a freakin' rating on a freakin' forum filled with anonymous people whom you'll never see in real life. Get over it already.

People have the right to rate whomever they freakin' please.

To prove that, I gave you a rating. Guess what it was??


That will no doubt make you angry again, which will make you

A. Bitch about it because it seems you do that so well

and

B. Rate me down.

That's Karma.

Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you.

Do you rate up every single post you find interesting? I sure don't, it's a lot of freakin' work.

I do however, take any opportunity to rate down whiny little bitches like you.

Nobody is forcing you to post here, if you don't like it, you know where the door is. Good riddance is what I'd say.

You need to ask yourself "What would Bruce Lee do?"

I don't think he'd whine and bitch about it like you are doing.

Good day sir, I hope you grow a sack someday.
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#28xxanniaxx, Posted: Jul 18 2004 at 9:09 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Everyone hates karma and I hope allakazam is losing premiums because karma is bogus and having some jerk go around rating people down because they disagree or being @$$e$ and getting posts deleted is dumb.
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Everyone hates me because I bitch about karma.


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Thanks. In that case, I won't be buying them.


It's the best theif leg armor until AF at 56. I've already gotten told by mithra friend to get a tan.

As for the thread, I agree with the admins and I don't think you should have posted in the Main Forum about this at all. You're taking the issue too far: you got your response, now just deal with it. Going around flaming the admins because you someone moved your karma by .1 isn't going to solve anything and definately not going to solve your "karma camping issue". sh*t, I'd be happy to be a sage myself. Sure I hate getting hit with negative karma when I feel it was unneccessary, but even with only 800 posts I know I have the ability to take a hit and live.

The only reason I'm responding to this now is because of the thread you started in the main forum. You're going to get rated down more, and rated down by me (EDIT: I said this, but I haven't touched any karma in this thread or the FYI thread), because 1.) We've already had this karma episode in the main forum and it was nothing healthy... There's enough useless threads in there anyway; we don't need another. 2.) Whining gets you no where and flaming the admins in public is definately not the way to go. Smiley: oyvey

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#31 Jul 19 2004 at 7:23 AM Rating: Good
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I hope I don't get nuked for asking, but LadyofHolyDarkness how were you able to see the ratings given in that particular Screenshot?

I never see the ratings given. Is that something that you need a certain post count for?
#32 Jul 19 2004 at 8:24 AM Rating: Good
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I hope I don't get nuked for asking, but LadyofHolyDarkness how were you able to see the ratings given in that particular Screenshot?

I never see the ratings given. Is that something that you need a certain post count for?


That was a post in Lady's journal, in your journal you can see the ratings everyone has. I believe that's it anyway, lol.
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Heh, you should head over to the asylum, I got torn apart there lol, but coem back here and im just average. People will be dicks, so let them and just know that your beter then them.
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