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This happened the other day with a pair of feet I wanted to buy. They were consistently going for 250k, but none were on AH. Someone started shouting they would buy them for 500k and now they are 600k on AH. Seriously? WTF!!

See, I dont think either is a luxury....(I was quoting) But something that is the OVERWHELMING reason people level a job (& is part of the job when they start leveling it) has its price held high by demand & of course its difficulty to attain.

Utsusemi I would say is the central characteristic that makes Nin desireable (especially for Non-main NIN's) Obviously, recently, the /Nin proc's have been added to the game.

Refresh is similar due to /RDM ... in other words, a high majority of people levelin (& buying spells) are doing it with full foreknowledge.

I have applauded some of the changes SE has made to reduce Gil-selling & Monopolization to allow for a more enjoyable experience for their subscribers, but from what I'm hearing, this is a throwback & is creating drama that, to me, should be reserved for "True" luxury items..... ya know things no-one EXPECTS you to have, but you'd really like to get.

It is also creating new gil sellers (in my opinion) as on several occasions I've seen multiple full parties of non-geared anonymous char's show up for zone boss kills.... in one case 7 of whom ALL dinged a merit upon Cirein-Croins death. We were talking about it in LS & the only reson we could figure for doing it was the new end-gameish events, we shall see.

I'd rate this up a million times if I could. I wholeheartedly agree.

To those who feel differently: There's plenty of ways to put challenge in a game. There are plenty of ways to make things time consuming. There are plenty of methods for bleeding gil out of the economy. This should never have been one of them. At the very least, any cost involved should have been negligible.

It shouldn't be whether someone has spells or not that sets them apart. It's how (and how well) they use their spells that should be the real measuring stick.

Corsairs have to buy their dice and pay for ammo.

COR is probably the job that pisses me off the most about this. Have to pay for abilities + have to pay for ammo + have to pay for cards + playing a support job so you don't even get to really have wacky melee fun + NEVER got a haste roll, the one song anyone cared about from bards really. I mean, seriously. The job was all sorts of cool, with the whole ability to buff better based on party composition and the pirate theme, but the job was so front-loaded with stupid BS that it's no wonder it never caught on.

That might be because it doesn't give Haste.

I'll say this, the thing about Alexander and Odin-- did required you to do the entirety of Aht Urghan missions and 2 extra fights for spells. For me, Aht Urghan's mission rewards were VERY lackluster and if you were a melee you had to do it just for an Aesir Earring.

Now this might seem moot now since the overwhelming majority of Aht Missions can be soloed. But a while back they couldn't it was a very annoying time to be a summoner.

Now for anyone who might be thinking "get a static" for missions, I return the same--get some friends to help do walk of echoes. Or make it an LS event, more fluxes and better rewards are coming.

I hear comet sucks, but for anyone who is an old school final fantasy player--it is still an "ultimate" spell, its for shinies/epeen. Black Mage main doesn't have to do empyreans to be "exceptional" like a War or Monk (or any other DD) does. Actually this is exactly the type of spell you'd get in a bonus dungeon (Walk of Echoes) in old games.

What exactly is so wrong for putting in less work than an empyrean for a couple of very excellent spells.

If they're that useful to voidwatch, have your voidwatch LS do them. Offer to give ls mates devious die you find, or heck sell the devious die (they go anywhere from 50k to a ludricous 200k) and buy the spells.

Yeah, same situation. The price tags made me quit. I always knew I'd get frustrating over gil and give up on the game some day.

What would be nice is if there were multiple avenues to get every "rare" scroll.

Put them in multiple BCNMs, VW, WoE, Abyssea, as quest rewards, as random mob drops, etc. At least let people pick their poison rather than having the scrolls come from only one or 2 sources.

And, I'm not just applying this to new scrolls. Some older ones are also rather problematic and need to be made more available.

Edited, Oct 28th 2011 10:12am by Camiie

Here's what I think-- Black Mage at the moment is one of the most useful mage jobs and to boot.. possibly the most exceptional damage dealer. This is probably without these spells--some (Blizzaja i've seen and Thunder V i've heard about) which are even better than the old ones. You're paying to stay on top, except unlike a ranger (which isn't exactly on top but has come closer outside of abyssea) it is a permanent stay once you get there, instead of paying 200k for top tier ammo. (Ruszor arrows)




Oh i'd wave right back to them and smile. Abyssea may have made the game ludricously easy, but at least most empyreans have to be duo'd to a minimum. To be honest--The damage versus an empyrean, relic or even a Walk of Echoes weapon (the latter of which I have 3 of due to time constraints of my own) are such a step ahead of the older weapons that I can't see them becoming anything but the bare minimum with increasingly harder content.

Try any monk without Victory Smite or a 90-95 Spharai, compared to one who does for some of these tougher monsters, the difference is absolute and you still require a person who is willing to be there painstakingly for you to help you (or a dualboxed white mage minimum).

At least magian staffs can be soloed all the way through without help, shout, a bf, gf, or an extra laptop/game system. Annoying yes? Realistically soloed little by little even on a busy schedule? Yep. Thats not exclusive to mages either, a good Bst could argue that they'd have to do 2x (for each type, pet pdt-, fire path, double attack axe) and an empyrean to boot.

I agree that the spells are very nice, I wouldn't even mind if the drop rate was increased, i'm saying that there are several ways to obtain the spells. At early 75 (to 85 cap) Byakko's Haidate was the creme de la creme for a lot of melee, you were called gimp without it and the only way to get this excellent piece of haste gear was to join a sky ls and put up with annoying people for weeks, then do a point bid war. This is merely "close" to that difficulty. (It really isn't, byakko's haidate couldn't be bought)

All in all i'm not saying I would mind if the drop rate were increased although I am glad I don't see every black mage spamming comet and saying "Look at me!!! OMG SO AWESOME" every five seconds-- but I do think its realistic to obtain at a stage of ffxi where most of the gear/spells are free or found in gold pyxides.



No one is even calling you gimp or ineffective without these spells, they're trinkets for the most part. All in all it comes to a difference of opinion and mine is that the way things are now is fine in most cases and if they make the droprate "somewhat" higher, that'd be fine too.

Edited, Oct 28th 2011 12:15pm by Thelastremainingintime

I agree with the view that the scrolls should have been purchasable from an NPC. That's the way most BLM spells have been so why not continue it. I'd have been happy with questing them too. However it's not been this way with these scrolls so at first I sat back waiting on the AH price to drop to a figure I considered fair. It didn't happen. They're still selling for pretty much what they did in the first place.

I can tell you the majority of my LS has been doing WoE in their free time and none of them has managed to get a scroll from it since the update came some weeks ago. That to me is rediculous. I was planning to see how long it took them to get their scrolls and if it was reasonable I'd have done the same. So far since the update none of them has seen a single scroll and they spend more time doing WoE than I care to imagine.

I made the decision not to spend hours upon end in WoE or shouting for people to do the seal fights hopeing to get lucky and be one of the extremely rare people that bagged a scroll. I've done the seal fights plenty of times to know that the drop rate is awful. I've yet to see a scroll drop in 20+ fights. That was enough to make my mind up for me.

A week or so ago I decided to to buy the scrolls and make a few people a bit richer. Why? Because I care about having 'completion' of spells on my BLM and it was annoying me not having them. Besides, after seeing how much time my LS friends were spending in WoE I couldn't imagine it would make any sense to do the same.

Instead of that I spent a few hours in Abyssea over a few days in one cruor PT after another and made enough gil by the end of it to buy the scrolls and not have to worry about it impacting on the gil I had before I started. I decided to remove the randomness of it all and just get on with buying the scrolls so I cqan carry on with some of the Magian Trials I have active.

I don't consider spending around 5m+ on Thunder V, Blizzaja, Breakga and Comet a waste of money either. I could be in the position my LS friends are in. Having spent considerably more time trying to get the scrolls and getting nothing so far in return, or I could have done it the way I eventually did it and end up with all the scrolls and no worse off than I was when I started. I'd rather not have to do that again though.

I seriously hope SE rethinks the way the final scrolls are obtained when the level cap is raised to 99. Make them quested, make them expensive to buy from NPC's by all means but for the love of god, please don't do the same thing with the remaining scrolls that you did with these.

I went a similar route and started spamming Dynamis, selling the currency, and buying my scrolls. I still have 2 scrolls that I am missing on all of my jobs (lightning elemental and raise 3) but I can solo both of the BCNMs on smn for these and I enjoy doing these. The problem as previously mentioned is that I have run through my seal supply and am currently trying to save up some more.

Just imagine that instead of BLM on one of those scrolls, it said BST, and instead of Thunder V, it was a scroll of "Call Beast: Gooey Gerard".

This is just the way a free market economy works. If there are 5 items available for sell and there are 7 buyers the fair price of the item is what the 5 richest of those buyers is willing to pay.

Fortunately two of my shellmates, including my girlfriend, are both retired and very generous. Between them they have supplied our shell with all the new spells doing WoE.

Actually, that was kinda the point of the thread.... you don't "Have to spend" anything as consumables are craftable, giving someone the option to farm & level crafts, or buy on AH.

I have BST & BLM and the difference of not having to invest millions as soon as you "Ding" into a new pet is what I was addressing. The gimpest "Burned" BST can have all pets the instant they Ding into 'em.

Granted, its a different equation of cost/use, but BLM "having" to spend millions to be up to date on spells is what stinks. The funny thing is that as I've watched people burn thru V-stones & use up all their seals, and NOT get drops...... I've discoverd the key

Spoilerbuy Voiddust with all that CP & AN & sell it for millions LOL, so I'm happy now ^^

Would be amusing to see the spell cost would be 3000 gil instead of mp. If it was F2P it would ask you if you wanted to use Visa or Mastercard to pay 1€ for one use of Comet.

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