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#52 Oct 05 2011 at 10:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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The problem is definitely a 2~way street though. People are putting them up for way too much gil and others are buying them. The BLMs buying the scrolls for this amount of gil are telling the people lucky enough to get the drops "hey it's ok that you are selling our scrolls for this much money, keep it up!" If all BLM said "Hell No!" and refused to buy the scrolls, they wouldn't be going for so much gil.


Sadly, it only takes one person to @#%^ up any equivalent of the "Hell No!" concept.

Personally, I was looking to get a Flume Belt the other day, but none were on AH. I check a bit later, there are 5 up. History shows 100k. I try that, no dice. 110k? Nope. 120k? I'm starting to get suspicious. Leave it at thinking some more will pop up in a few hours, then hopefully I'll get one for 100k. I check back later and suddenly there are multiple 300k sales. Now, someone might like, "Well, it's worth that if someone's willing to pay it! Derp!" To which I might agree if a 200% price hike hadn't just happened. And now they're 500k. I very much believe the price could be lower right now if someone had the mental fortitude to refrain from buying, but now those interested in buying now literally have to pay for their impatience.

Otherwise, it's not like I haven't done Flux #11 enough to "earn" one of my own, but like scrolls, the RNG hasn't smiled upon me.

Edited, Oct 5th 2011 12:28pm by Seriha
#53 Oct 05 2011 at 10:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sadly, it only takes one person to @#%^ up any equivalent of the "Hell No!" concept.

Personally, I was looking to get a Flume Belt the other day, but none were on AH. I check a bit later, there are 5 up. History shows 100k. I try that, no dice. 110k? Nope. 120k? I'm starting to get suspicious. Leave it at thinking some more will pop up in a few hours, then hopefully I'll get one for 100k. I check back later and suddenly there are multiple 300k sales. Now, someone might like, "Well, it's worth that if someone's willing to pay it! Derp!" To which I might agree if a 200% price hike hadn't just happened. And now they're 500k. I very much believe the price could be lower right now if someone had the mental fortitude to refrain from buying, but now those interested in buying now literally have to pay for their impatience.

Otherwise, it's not like I haven't done Flux #11 enough to "earn" one of my own, but like scrolls, the RNG hasn't smiled upon me.


This happened the other day with a pair of feet I wanted to buy. They were consistently going for 250k, but none were on AH. Someone started shouting they would buy them for 500k and now they are 600k on AH. Seriously? WTF!!
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#54 Oct 05 2011 at 11:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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So, an essential to almost all players/jobs item, is the same as a non-subbable, one job item?

Cant have it both ways, comparing an item you describe as "essential" to an item you describe as "luxury" is faulty logic at best.

No one "needs" Ni. Maat doesn't tell you that you can't level past 75 if you don't have it. It's very powerful and highly desirable because of the additional amount of damage mitigation it provides. Know what else mitigates damage? Killing the mob as fast as you can. Thunder V gives the mob as much TP as Thunder IV, but it does more damage. From that prospective, both spells are either necessities, or both spells are luxuries, though one is clearly more desirable than the other.

Speaking of things that you can't have both ways, your stance on what's reasonable for obtaining scrolls is moving toward that category. You say that it's reasonable to expect people to do BCNMs for Ustusemi: Ni, and that only lazy players have to buy it from the AH. How can you then say it's unreasonable to expect people to do HKCNMs for the new scrolls?

And if you truly believe that Ni is a necessity while Thunder V is a luxury, shouldn't you be fine that Thunder V drops from HKCNM, and instead be arguing that Ni should be sold from NPCs?
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And if you truly believe that Ni is a necessity while Thunder V is a luxury, shouldn't you be fine that Thunder V drops from HKCNM, and instead be arguing that Ni should be sold from NPCs?


See, I dont think either is a luxury....(I was quoting) But something that is the OVERWHELMING reason people level a job (& is part of the job when they start leveling it) has its price held high by demand & of course its difficulty to attain.

Utsusemi I would say is the central characteristic that makes Nin desireable (especially for Non-main NIN's) Obviously, recently, the /Nin proc's have been added to the game.

Refresh is similar due to /RDM ... in other words, a high majority of people levelin (& buying spells) are doing it with full foreknowledge.

I have applauded some of the changes SE has made to reduce Gil-selling & Monopolization to allow for a more enjoyable experience for their subscribers, but from what I'm hearing, this is a throwback & is creating drama that, to me, should be reserved for "True" luxury items..... ya know things no-one EXPECTS you to have, but you'd really like to get.

It is also creating new gil sellers (in my opinion) as on several occasions I've seen multiple full parties of non-geared anonymous char's show up for zone boss kills.... in one case 7 of whom ALL dinged a merit upon Cirein-Croins death. We were talking about it in LS & the only reson we could figure for doing it was the new end-gameish events, we shall see.
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To be honest, I've always thought it was plain stupid that spells/songs/dice needed to be learned from scrolls when job abilities are free and automatic. Hurr hurr, half the jobs have to play gil games to do anything and half the jobs don't. Balance!
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To be honest, I've always thought it was plain stupid that spells/songs/dice needed to be learned from scrolls when job abilities are free and automatic. Hurr hurr, half the jobs have to play gil games to do anything and half the jobs don't. Balance!



I'd rate this up a million times if I could. I wholeheartedly agree.

To those who feel differently: There's plenty of ways to put challenge in a game. There are plenty of ways to make things time consuming. There are plenty of methods for bleeding gil out of the economy. This should never have been one of them. At the very least, any cost involved should have been negligible.

It shouldn't be whether someone has spells or not that sets them apart. It's how (and how well) they use their spells that should be the real measuring stick.
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To be honest, I've always thought it was plain stupid that spells/songs/dice needed to be learned from scrolls when job abilities are free and automatic. Hurr hurr, half the jobs have to play gil games to do anything and half the jobs don't. Balance!

At least MP is free. There are plenty of melee jobs that have to continually burn away gil on consumables.
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Erecia wrote:
To be honest, I've always thought it was plain stupid that spells/songs/dice needed to be learned from scrolls when job abilities are free and automatic. Hurr hurr, half the jobs have to play gil games to do anything and half the jobs don't. Balance!

At least MP is free. There are plenty of melee jobs that have to continually burn away gil on consumables.


Corsairs have to buy their dice and pay for ammo.
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Erecia wrote:
To be honest, I've always thought it was plain stupid that spells/songs/dice needed to be learned from scrolls when job abilities are free and automatic. Hurr hurr, half the jobs have to play gil games to do anything and half the jobs don't. Balance!

At least MP is free. There are plenty of melee jobs that have to continually burn away gil on consumables.

Corsairs have to buy their dice and pay for ammo.

And the up-front cost of the dice pales in comparison to the long term costs of ammo/cards.
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svlyons wrote:
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svlyons wrote:
Erecia wrote:
To be honest, I've always thought it was plain stupid that spells/songs/dice needed to be learned from scrolls when job abilities are free and automatic. Hurr hurr, half the jobs have to play gil games to do anything and half the jobs don't. Balance!

At least MP is free. There are plenty of melee jobs that have to continually burn away gil on consumables.

Corsairs have to buy their dice and pay for ammo.

And the up-front cost of the dice pales in comparison to the long term costs of ammo/cards.

COR is probably the job that pisses me off the most about this. Have to pay for abilities + have to pay for ammo + have to pay for cards + playing a support job so you don't even get to really have wacky melee fun + NEVER got a haste roll, the one song anyone cared about from bards really. I mean, seriously. The job was all sorts of cool, with the whole ability to buff better based on party composition and the pirate theme, but the job was so front-loaded with stupid BS that it's no wonder it never caught on.
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#62 Oct 09 2011 at 6:20 AM Rating: Default
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svlyons wrote:
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svlyons wrote:
Erecia wrote:
To be honest, I've always thought it was plain stupid that spells/songs/dice needed to be learned from scrolls when job abilities are free and automatic. Hurr hurr, half the jobs have to play gil games to do anything and half the jobs don't. Balance!

At least MP is free. There are plenty of melee jobs that have to continually burn away gil on consumables.

Corsairs have to buy their dice and pay for ammo.

And the up-front cost of the dice pales in comparison to the long term costs of ammo/cards.

COR is probably the job that pisses me off the most about this. Have to pay for abilities + have to pay for ammo + have to pay for cards + playing a support job so you don't even get to really have wacky melee fun + NEVER got a haste roll, the one song anyone cared about from bards really. I mean, seriously. The job was all sorts of cool, with the whole ability to buff better based on party composition and the pirate theme, but the job was so front-loaded with stupid BS that it's no wonder it never caught on.



Not completely true.
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Blitzer%27s_Roll
At least it doesn't count towards the haste cap.

Personally I liked the fact that bard had some exclusive buffs and cor had some exclusive buffs. Seemed balanced to me. Especially since Cor can add straight damage to the party.
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Not completely true.
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At least it doesn't count towards the haste cap.


That might be because it doesn't give Haste.
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The problem is definitely a 2~way street though. People are putting them up for way too much gil and others are buying them. The BLMs buying the scrolls for this amount of gil are telling the people lucky enough to get the drops "hey it's ok that you are selling our scrolls for this much money, keep it up!" If all BLM said "Hell No!" and refused to buy the scrolls, they wouldn't be going for so much gil.


The thing is, these frigging spells are rare. I sold the Thunder V that dropped for me for 2 million. I don't feel bad in the slightest. Two weeks solid of WoE and I got that spell. Costs me probably about 20K to do each WoE run too - depending on how much the cooks are selling pet food for.

If peeps don't want to spend 2 mill they don't have to - they can farm one themselves. Heck, I spent a million of that on my 2 brd scrolls so I don't think people have anything to cry about. It would be different if WoE was something more restricted but it is easy for pretty much anyone to participate in.

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I'll say this, the thing about Alexander and Odin-- did required you to do the entirety of Aht Urghan missions and 2 extra fights for spells. For me, Aht Urghan's mission rewards were VERY lackluster and if you were a melee you had to do it just for an Aesir Earring.

Now this might seem moot now since the overwhelming majority of Aht Missions can be soloed. But a while back they couldn't it was a very annoying time to be a summoner.

Now for anyone who might be thinking "get a static" for missions, I return the same--get some friends to help do walk of echoes. Or make it an LS event, more fluxes and better rewards are coming.

I hear comet sucks, but for anyone who is an old school final fantasy player--it is still an "ultimate" spell, its for shinies/epeen. Black Mage main doesn't have to do empyreans to be "exceptional" like a War or Monk (or any other DD) does. Actually this is exactly the type of spell you'd get in a bonus dungeon (Walk of Echoes) in old games.

What exactly is so wrong for putting in less work than an empyrean for a couple of very excellent spells.

If they're that useful to voidwatch, have your voidwatch LS do them. Offer to give ls mates devious die you find, or heck sell the devious die (they go anywhere from 50k to a ludricous 200k) and buy the spells.
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With what time?

I've recently had to downgrade myself from "serious player" to "casual player" - work, school, and a growing number of interests besides spending time on the Internet (otherwise known as "having a social life") have whittled my playtime down to one, maybe two nights a week, all of which are going to helping my Abyssea shell with Empyreans still. Not being able to do Voidwatch is the price of such things, and I accept that.

But all the new spells are way, way out of my price range, so I accepted not getting them right away either. However, at this rate, I won't get them until after I finish graduate school in 2013 and I have time to actually earn money in game or do Voidwatch for myself!

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Yeah, same situation. The price tags made me quit. I always knew I'd get frustrating over gil and give up on the game some day.
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#68 Oct 28 2011 at 5:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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I hear comet sucks, but for anyone who is an old school final fantasy player--it is still an "ultimate" spell, its for shinies/epeen. Black Mage main doesn't have to do empyreans to be "exceptional" like a War or Monk (or any other DD) does. Actually this is exactly the type of spell you'd get in a bonus dungeon (Walk of Echoes) in old games.

What exactly is so wrong for putting in less work than an empyrean for a couple of very excellent spells.

If they're that useful to voidwatch, have your voidwatch LS do them. Offer to give ls mates devious die you find, or heck sell the devious die (they go anywhere from 50k to a ludricous 200k) and buy the spells.


Most of us are not saying "hand me my scrolls SE." We are only saying that the drop rate is too low. I have absolutely no problem with working for my scrolls. I farmed the majority of my AM and Tier IV spells. I quested retrace, sleepga II, aspir, drain, etc etc.

I cannot play everyday/all day because, like many others, I have a family and a job. When the new scrolls were introduced, I would do 2-3 runs each night after work. If I could have done more, I would have. On the weekends I pretty much lived in WoE doing a run every game day change. My social shell is not going to drop everything they are doing to come spam WoE so the I can get my scrolls. They are currently working on empy's for a few people and that is the only time I left WoE during the first 3 weeks after the update.

In all the time I was in there, I got 2 scrolls total; Curaga V and Holy II. You can't tell me that 2 scrolls in 3 weeks is "less work" than an empy when you can realistically pump one out in a weekend.

I agree that Comet should be more difficult to obtain, simply because it is an "ultimate" spell. But all tier V scrolls were purchased from a NPC and then boom, Thunder V is from VW, HKCNM, or WoE. This is not consistent with the others and it is not an "ultimate" spell.

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As for this comment, my ToTM staves say hi! It has taken me longer to complete these staves then it took to finish my BF's Kannagi. I'm actually still not done (Earth and Air partially complete), thanks to 3 weeks spent in WoE and the past 2 weeks spamming Dynamis every night to earn the gil to buy my scrolls. No it's not an empy and no I don't have to kill NMs to complete it. But it is much easier getting people to kill a NM because of drops, then it is to get people to come help kill 250 undead and the kill shot must be wind elemental (or whatever staff you are working on).
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What would be nice is if there were multiple avenues to get every "rare" scroll.

Put them in multiple BCNMs, VW, WoE, Abyssea, as quest rewards, as random mob drops, etc. At least let people pick their poison rather than having the scrolls come from only one or 2 sources.

And, I'm not just applying this to new scrolls. Some older ones are also rather problematic and need to be made more available.

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And, I'm not just applying this to new scrolls. Some older ones are also rather problematic and need to be made more available.


Agreed! I have been out on seal farming runs where I have been asked to try and stagger something for another group because their blm didn't have the AM. While not as expensive as the new scrolls, they are still costly and do not drop often.
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Most of us are not saying "hand me my scrolls SE." We are only saying that the drop rate is too low. I have absolutely no problem with working for my scrolls. I farmed the majority of my AM and Tier IV spells. I quested retrace, sleepga II, aspir, drain, etc etc.

I cannot play everyday/all day because, like many others, I have a family and a job. When the new scrolls were introduced, I would do 2-3 runs each night after work. If I could have done more, I would have. On the weekends I pretty much lived in WoE doing a run every game day change. My social shell is not going to drop everything they are doing to come spam WoE so the I can get my scrolls. They are currently working on empy's for a few people and that is the only time I left WoE during the first 3 weeks after the update.

In all the time I was in there, I got 2 scrolls total; Curaga V and Holy II. You can't tell me that 2 scrolls in 3 weeks is "less work" than an empy when you can realistically pump one out in a weekend.

I agree that Comet should be more difficult to obtain, simply because it is an "ultimate" spell. But all tier V scrolls were purchased from a NPC and then boom, Thunder V is from VW, HKCNM, or WoE. This is not consistent with the others and it is not an "ultimate" spell.



Here's what I think-- Black Mage at the moment is one of the most useful mage jobs and to boot.. possibly the most exceptional damage dealer. This is probably without these spells--some (Blizzaja i've seen and Thunder V i've heard about) which are even better than the old ones. You're paying to stay on top, except unlike a ranger (which isn't exactly on top but has come closer outside of abyssea) it is a permanent stay once you get there, instead of paying 200k for top tier ammo. (Ruszor arrows)


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Oh i'd wave right back to them and smile. Abyssea may have made the game ludricously easy, but at least most empyreans have to be duo'd to a minimum. To be honest--The damage versus an empyrean, relic or even a Walk of Echoes weapon (the latter of which I have 3 of due to time constraints of my own) are such a step ahead of the older weapons that I can't see them becoming anything but the bare minimum with increasingly harder content.

Try any monk without Victory Smite or a 90-95 Spharai, compared to one who does for some of these tougher monsters, the difference is absolute and you still require a person who is willing to be there painstakingly for you to help you (or a dualboxed white mage minimum).

At least magian staffs can be soloed all the way through without help, shout, a bf, gf, or an extra laptop/game system. Annoying yes? Realistically soloed little by little even on a busy schedule? Yep. Thats not exclusive to mages either, a good Bst could argue that they'd have to do 2x (for each type, pet pdt-, fire path, double attack axe) and an empyrean to boot.

I agree that the spells are very nice, I wouldn't even mind if the drop rate was increased, i'm saying that there are several ways to obtain the spells. At early 75 (to 85 cap) Byakko's Haidate was the creme de la creme for a lot of melee, you were called gimp without it and the only way to get this excellent piece of haste gear was to join a sky ls and put up with annoying people for weeks, then do a point bid war. This is merely "close" to that difficulty. (It really isn't, byakko's haidate couldn't be bought)

All in all i'm not saying I would mind if the drop rate were increased although I am glad I don't see every black mage spamming comet and saying "Look at me!!! OMG SO AWESOME" every five seconds-- but I do think its realistic to obtain at a stage of ffxi where most of the gear/spells are free or found in gold pyxides.



No one is even calling you gimp or ineffective without these spells, they're trinkets for the most part. All in all it comes to a difference of opinion and mine is that the way things are now is fine in most cases and if they make the droprate "somewhat" higher, that'd be fine too.

Edited, Oct 28th 2011 12:15pm by Thelastremainingintime
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I'd be content with scrolls being costly if mages didn't need to get gear, too, but c'mon. The game is already rather melee friendly as is, literally keeping mages from their abilities with arbitrary hurdles like this is wrong. Those seeking prestige can flaunt the T4 VW bodies or something.
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I agree with the view that the scrolls should have been purchasable from an NPC. That's the way most BLM spells have been so why not continue it. I'd have been happy with questing them too. However it's not been this way with these scrolls so at first I sat back waiting on the AH price to drop to a figure I considered fair. It didn't happen. They're still selling for pretty much what they did in the first place.

I can tell you the majority of my LS has been doing WoE in their free time and none of them has managed to get a scroll from it since the update came some weeks ago. That to me is rediculous. I was planning to see how long it took them to get their scrolls and if it was reasonable I'd have done the same. So far since the update none of them has seen a single scroll and they spend more time doing WoE than I care to imagine.

I made the decision not to spend hours upon end in WoE or shouting for people to do the seal fights hopeing to get lucky and be one of the extremely rare people that bagged a scroll. I've done the seal fights plenty of times to know that the drop rate is awful. I've yet to see a scroll drop in 20+ fights. That was enough to make my mind up for me.

A week or so ago I decided to to buy the scrolls and make a few people a bit richer. Why? Because I care about having 'completion' of spells on my BLM and it was annoying me not having them. Besides, after seeing how much time my LS friends were spending in WoE I couldn't imagine it would make any sense to do the same.

Instead of that I spent a few hours in Abyssea over a few days in one cruor PT after another and made enough gil by the end of it to buy the scrolls and not have to worry about it impacting on the gil I had before I started. I decided to remove the randomness of it all and just get on with buying the scrolls so I cqan carry on with some of the Magian Trials I have active.

I don't consider spending around 5m+ on Thunder V, Blizzaja, Breakga and Comet a waste of money either. I could be in the position my LS friends are in. Having spent considerably more time trying to get the scrolls and getting nothing so far in return, or I could have done it the way I eventually did it and end up with all the scrolls and no worse off than I was when I started. I'd rather not have to do that again though.

I seriously hope SE rethinks the way the final scrolls are obtained when the level cap is raised to 99. Make them quested, make them expensive to buy from NPC's by all means but for the love of god, please don't do the same thing with the remaining scrolls that you did with these.
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Instead of that I spent a few hours in Abyssea over a few days in one cruor PT after another and made enough gil by the end of it to buy the scrolls and not have to worry about it impacting on the gil I had before I started. I decided to remove the randomness of it all and just get on with buying the scrolls so I cqan carry on with some of the Magian Trials I have active.


While I don't blame you for going this route, the main problem with it is if everyone else decided to do similar, the supply would dry up and more than likely increase costs in the long term. That might tempt those who like the lottery ticket style of gil acquisition, but as been hammered into the ground before, simply trying for the scrolls directly isn't good enough.
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A week or so ago I decided to to buy the scrolls and make a few people a bit richer. Why? Because I care about having 'completion' of spells on my BLM and it was annoying me not having them. Besides, after seeing how much time my LS friends were spending in WoE I couldn't imagine it would make any sense to do the same.


I went a similar route and started spamming Dynamis, selling the currency, and buying my scrolls. I still have 2 scrolls that I am missing on all of my jobs (lightning elemental and raise 3) but I can solo both of the BCNMs on smn for these and I enjoy doing these. The problem as previously mentioned is that I have run through my seal supply and am currently trying to save up some more.
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#76 Nov 04 2011 at 12:37 PM Rating: Default
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Eh honestly, getting a few scrolls made me more money than I have ever had in this game before, and the small supply (and high selling cost) of the scrolls is probably one of the only things that has made WoE viable in its current incarnation.

I understand people being frustrated - but then again - it is nice that there is an event that casual players (like me) can do, have fun doing - and get good drops from.
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#77 Nov 04 2011 at 6:47 PM Rating: Good
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Olorinus wrote:
Eh honestly, getting a few scrolls made me more money than I have ever had in this game before, and the small supply (and high selling cost) of the scrolls is probably one of the only things that has made WoE viable in its current incarnation.

I understand people being frustrated - but then again - it is nice that there is an event that casual players (like me) can do, have fun doing - and get good drops from.

Just imagine that instead of BLM on one of those scrolls, it said BST, and instead of Thunder V, it was a scroll of "Call Beast: Gooey Gerard".
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#78 Nov 05 2011 at 5:42 AM Rating: Good
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Just imagine that instead of BLM on one of those scrolls, it said BST, and instead of Thunder V, it was a scroll of "Call Beast: Gooey Gerard".


Took the words right outta my mouth lol...

Finally am up to date on my scrolls, but unfortunately has changed the focus of my time in game,negatively.

It appears the consensus is that this was a poor way to implement job progression/update items.

However, some are happy to make some gil.

It seems to be a return to the mercenary past, where players are constantly pitted against each other. Oh well.
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#79 Nov 11 2011 at 2:36 AM Rating: Default
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Sadly, it only takes one person to @#%^ up any equivalent of the "Hell No!" concept.

Personally, I was looking to get a Flume Belt the other day, but none were on AH. I check a bit later, there are 5 up. History shows 100k. I try that, no dice. 110k? Nope. 120k? I'm starting to get suspicious. Leave it at thinking some more will pop up in a few hours, then hopefully I'll get one for 100k. I check back later and suddenly there are multiple 300k sales. Now, someone might like, "Well, it's worth that if someone's willing to pay it! Derp!" To which I might agree if a 200% price hike hadn't just happened. And now they're 500k. I very much believe the price could be lower right now if someone had the mental fortitude to refrain from buying, but now those interested in buying now literally have to pay for their impatience.

Otherwise, it's not like I haven't done Flux #11 enough to "earn" one of my own, but like scrolls, the RNG hasn't smiled upon me.


This happened the other day with a pair of feet I wanted to buy. They were consistently going for 250k, but none were on AH. Someone started shouting they would buy them for 500k and now they are 600k on AH. Seriously? WTF!!


This is just the way a free market economy works. If there are 5 items available for sell and there are 7 buyers the fair price of the item is what the 5 richest of those buyers is willing to pay.

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also, if something goes wrong, pup is the easiest job to blame. You can keep one around just for that reason. If there's a mijin gakure and everyone dies, just blame the pup, he's used to it.

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#80 Nov 19 2011 at 8:57 PM Rating: Good
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svlyons wrote:
Olorinus wrote:
Eh honestly, getting a few scrolls made me more money than I have ever had in this game before, and the small supply (and high selling cost) of the scrolls is probably one of the only things that has made WoE viable in its current incarnation.

I understand people being frustrated - but then again - it is nice that there is an event that casual players (like me) can do, have fun doing - and get good drops from.

Just imagine that instead of BLM on one of those scrolls, it said BST, and instead of Thunder V, it was a scroll of "Call Beast: Gooey Gerard".


except if you add up how much I spend on jugs over my time as a BST it will far outweigh what you've spent on spells.

1 time use and have it forever item is not equal to expendable item. Get back to me when BST pets are like Summoner spells, and we'll talk.

I have to spend about 100K on a stack of dipper. 50K on food to keep that pet alive.

You spend gil on a spell once and have it forever.




Edited, Nov 19th 2011 6:59pm by Olorinus
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#81 Nov 20 2011 at 6:40 AM Rating: Good
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I have to spend about 100K on a stack of dipper. 50K on food to keep that pet alive.



Actually, that was kinda the point of the thread.... you don't "Have to spend" anything as consumables are craftable, giving someone the option to farm & level crafts, or buy on AH.

I have BST & BLM and the difference of not having to invest millions as soon as you "Ding" into a new pet is what I was addressing. The gimpest "Burned" BST can have all pets the instant they Ding into 'em.

Granted, its a different equation of cost/use, but BLM "having" to spend millions to be up to date on spells is what stinks. The funny thing is that as I've watched people burn thru V-stones & use up all their seals, and NOT get drops...... I've discoverd the key

buy Voiddust with all that CP & AN & sell it for millions LOL, so I'm happy now ^^
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#82 Nov 20 2011 at 2:08 PM Rating: Good
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Olorinus wrote:
svlyons wrote:
Olorinus wrote:
Eh honestly, getting a few scrolls made me more money than I have ever had in this game before, and the small supply (and high selling cost) of the scrolls is probably one of the only things that has made WoE viable in its current incarnation.

I understand people being frustrated - but then again - it is nice that there is an event that casual players (like me) can do, have fun doing - and get good drops from.

Just imagine that instead of BLM on one of those scrolls, it said BST, and instead of Thunder V, it was a scroll of "Call Beast: Gooey Gerard".

except if you add up how much I spend on jugs over my time as a BST it will far outweigh what you've spent on spells.

1 time use and have it forever item is not equal to expendable item. Get back to me when BST pets are like Summoner spells, and we'll talk.

I have to spend about 100K on a stack of dipper. 50K on food to keep that pet alive.

You spend gil on a spell once and have it forever.

You don't have to spend 2 million gil on jugs up front before you call your first Dipper. You can start out paying as little as 10k for a single jug. You can buy a ton of jugs and call a new Dipper every 5 minutes, or you can use them sparingly based on the situation. Mages have no "pay as you go" option with spells.
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#83 Nov 20 2011 at 3:39 PM Rating: Good
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svlyons wrote:

You don't have to spend 2 million gil on jugs up front before you call your first Dipper. You can start out paying as little as 10k for a single jug. You can buy a ton of jugs and call a new Dipper every 5 minutes, or you can use them sparingly based on the situation. Mages have no "pay as you go" option with spells.


Would be amusing to see the spell cost would be 3000 gil instead of mp. If it was F2P it would ask you if you wanted to use Visa or Mastercard to pay 1€ for one use of Comet.
#84 Nov 21 2011 at 9:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Olorinus wrote:
svlyons wrote:
Olorinus wrote:
Eh honestly, getting a few scrolls made me more money than I have ever had in this game before, and the small supply (and high selling cost) of the scrolls is probably one of the only things that has made WoE viable in its current incarnation.

I understand people being frustrated - but then again - it is nice that there is an event that casual players (like me) can do, have fun doing - and get good drops from.

Just imagine that instead of BLM on one of those scrolls, it said BST, and instead of Thunder V, it was a scroll of "Call Beast: Gooey Gerard".


except if you add up how much I spend on jugs over my time as a BST it will far outweigh what you've spent on spells.

1 time use and have it forever item is not equal to expendable item. Get back to me when BST pets are like Summoner spells, and we'll talk.

I have to spend about 100K on a stack of dipper. 50K on food to keep that pet alive.

You spend gil on a spell once and have it forever.




Edited, Nov 19th 2011 6:59pm by Olorinus


Yeah. I really wish there was a way for a bst to have a pet that didn't require jugs at all.
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Yeah. I really wish there was a way for a bst to have a pet that didn't require jugs at all.


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While you may have spells forever after learning them, there's spell obsolescences to consider as well. A high level black mage will never have a reason to cast aero II ever again, whatever we paid for stone V was probably too much for all the worth that spell is, and, with exp flowing in functionally infinite amounts, raise III isn't worth 8k these days, much less the 800k it goes for.
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