You must be handicapped between the ears. Did you not read what I was comparing in regards to the middle of the pack you mental reject. I was comparing our place among HYBRID jobs. Jobs that can provide more than one role with relative ease IE. DNC and BLU. If you do not know how to read than you have my sympathies, if you can and are just that retarded then there is no sympathy from me.
You can not compare apples and oranges. 2Handers are in their own special place because SE wanted to break them way back when. Instead of making them balanced they turned it into 2 hander fantasy 11. In terms of 1 handers THF,BST,MNK,BRD,COR,NIN Have no support (except rolls and songsin case of brd and cor) WHM can melee well but out side Auspice have no melee buffs. BLM and SCH have poor all around melee skills. PUP is PUP its AUTO is variable and can tank/melee/heal/ratk.
DNC BLU and RDM can all do Buffs/Debuffs/Cures and Damage, they all have some form of melee (or casting) buffs that help them. DNC gets DW, Saber Dance, ACC bonus', Conserve TP, Crit ATK, SC bonus. BLU gets spell sets like ACC bonus DA, DW, as well as stats from their spells, RDM gets composure, and enspells. As you an see DNC has more direct melee buffs than either RDM or BLU, why, because it can not cast spells. BLU has more Melee abilities than RDM, why, because it can not last as long casting spells, nor can it buff/support as well as a RDM or DNC. RDM has some melee buffs, and some casting buffs. Why because it can melee as well as the other two but lacks in WS damage vs a DNC, and in Spell damage vs a BLU. This is why we have things like convert, refresh II, fast cast.
When you compare something you have to compare it to similar jobs, there is no reason to compare it to things like SAM, or WHM, or WAR or BLM because those jobs should do better every time. In a direct comparison of those three jobs in terms of strictly MELEE. RDM is on an even footing. Our DAMAGE source puts us between the two. IE. the MIDDLE of the pack. (if you lost track this pack consists of RDM DNC and BLU). DNC has more damage coming via WS's BLU has more damage coming via spells. This is called balance.
@ 75 RDM was overpowered in comparison to these two jobs. DNC was much weaker at melee than it is now, and was married to /NIN. BLU did not have the MP durability it has now, nor the haste it has now. DNC did no have a reliable DA weapon, BLU did not have one at all. @ 75 in terms of MELEE RDM was far superior to both these classes. Now with DA daggers, and DA swords BLU and DNC are on, and the amount of direct melee buffs, and the option for /WAR for both jobs, that gap has closed. As well as BLU worthwhile refresh, and 15% haste. The only difference now being Enspells, which also have gotten stronger.
Our gear and weapon selection is not far behind either of these jobs. DNC has a bit more to choose from as it should, remember it can only melee. BLU has some slightly better gear but remember it can not support as well as us, or as long as us. As far as our melee gear goes we can get as I said earlier:
+20/35 DMG on all melee hits
Which is comparable to DNC, and beats BLU in haste which is when you include self haste both have 3-4% more DPS.
I honestly think you have no experience in melee with RDM, let alone melee with RDM in a group with other Hybrids, or have ever seen other hybrids actually being hybrids. You should probably just stick with your 2H DD if you can't get over your BNS. RDM does not need anything above and beyond what it has right now. We are comparable to the jobs we should be compared to. We do not need some silly gimmick to make us desired, we just need people like you trying to make it into something it is not, nor should ever be to move on in life. A RDM should never be on top of the parse, just like you will never see a DNC or BLU on top in a good party. RDM melee is fine, we have been getting some very decent gear upgrades, just like DNC and BLU (granted theres are a bit better since they had to catch us up).
Stop trying to make RDM something it should never be, we are right where we belong, good at a lot, but not great.
Edited, Oct 28th 2010 4:29pm by rdmcandie
Oh also the last time I checked RDM was the absolute best at reducing mobs magic resistance simply by meleeing and WSing. Could be wrong though.
Edited, Oct 28th 2010 4:52pm by rdmcandie