Do you HATE THF? DWI @ 83?Follow

Really!!!!!!???


Really!!!!!!???


DWI at 83!!?? What is the point? Why tell us you are giving us Dual Wield and then give us Dual Wield I at 83?

I am really tired of you kicking THF in the balls. If you don't do something right and give us sometihng actually useful this update, I really think I might quit. I'm tired of waiting around for you to get it.

I won't be playing FFXIV either. I'm tired of this sh*t and I'm tired of you not listening to us.

Yeah, seriously, this is the worst practical joke they've played on the job, in my eyes. Despoil was really bad, taking away yokodama was sucky but understandable, removing the TP floor was junk... but this? This is just inexcuseable.

Square-Enix, have you not heard all of the thieves wishing for Dual Wield nearly on par with what Dancers receieved? Why is thief not deserving, because they have Treasure Hunter? My god, if you want it so much, take it- I'd rather have dual wield than treasure hunter any day if it meant people would stop viewing the job solely as an item obtainer. Yes, I absolutely love gaining items and stealing equipment from monsters, but not when my usefulness in other areas becomes tainted.

There is absolutely no reason why Thief should not receive atleast up to Dual Wield 3 before level 76.

Not nerfs that don't add anything always feels like burning money. You just paid someone a fat pay check to write code nobody wanted. Imagine if everyone could do that. Just sit at home and write print loops and get 2 000 dollars a month.

My thoughts exactly.

No, BST got awesome jugs last update I would say. This sTP thing might be nice, but those jugs.. Man it's awesome what agood BST can do with those. BLM got lolabyssea parties which resolved a lot (Not all) of what they were unhappy about. (Rest in pieces you sh*tty god damn toucans, mwahahahha!)

I would say NIN is the other melee in need of an update besides us now, due to the /DRK nerfs. (Sorry, NIN could DD respectably and NIN/DRK tank HNMs before so I thought it was a decent balance, and I respect NINs who thought they needed an update before) Make them a good DD or a good tank. Make THF a good DD or an honest utility job.

Let's say it does. Okay, great! Now, what about all of the thieves leveling from 1-90, or whenever they may intend to scale up the Job Trait? It's still really unfair.

For the record, telling a big mob of frustrated people to "shut your goddamn whore mouths" is never tactful.

Ahhahhaaha. Thanks Fyn. I needed a laugh.

The big deal is that THF does need something. This was supposed to be the time. The opportunity for new direction with the level increase.

The big deal is that when we saw that they were ACTUALLY giving us dual wield we got excited. It showed that SE was, indeed, giving us something that was actually a useful and meaningful increase in damage. It showed a direction to look to in this whole "Is THF a DD job or a support DD or what?" Identity crisis that SE seems to have with us.

They didn't even half ass this one. It is ENTIRELY reasonable to expect that we will only get DWII by 99. Something that will be outshined by /NIN by that point.

The big deal is that they are still wasting developement time giving us useless crap like DWI at 83 when we NEED something useful.

It's not even fun any more to make jokes about how SE is intentionally screwing with us.



Edited, Aug 29th 2010 5:55am by ThiefKiller

Of course you can question how fun it will be to require to level a job to 99 before you become useful.

Not that much of a deal for people who keep their jobs leveled, but a new player picking THF and being told "don't worry, at level 99 you'll start to shine" will probably change job instantly.

No one cares about that. The game has not needed enmity control for many many years. Our enmity manipulation tools are not useful enough to warrant a party slot for them.



Our WS numbers are decent at best and are tied to our SATA timers (and positionability..is that a word?) to be respectable. Positional DD abilities were relevant in 2004 when you never did anything without a tank. They are not effective now. SE keeps adding this positional garbage too. I really feel bad for NINs. They keep adding events that involve large groups that don't need tanks but keep forcing me to run circles around a constantly spinning mob just to try to deal decent damage while trying to sneak in a trick attack on a DD before he jumps out of the way or just moves because that spot of dirt didn't suit him.



This isn't new lol. THF has been at lolstatus for a long time now. And its becuase of things like this. The game has evolved and THF has not.

All I have ever had is patience. It's just running out.

Edited, Aug 29th 2010 7:58am by ThiefKiller

SE do. They did add some enmity management spells for SCH (and they had one song for BRD nobody use).
They add some new jump abilities for DRG that decrease enmity with shared timer with another jump ... that does exactly the same thing :-3

I didn't even bother reading any of this thread past the OP.

Save your frustration (whining) until the last level rise has occurred.

Way back when, the level cap was 50. THF didn't have Assassin yet at that point.

Let's say the level cap rose to 55, and all the THFs lost their damned minds. With what was still coming further down the road at 60, wouldn't you say those who screamed and cried were being total idiots?

I would.

Put down your pitchforks and have some patience.

Edited, Aug 29th 2010 12:03pm by Speedly

And yet, there are jobs that have it worse than thf.

I find it also amusing that SE appears to be giving thf yet ANOTHER magical wind based weaponskill. <_<;;; (That's probably also AoE, has terrible damage potential, and of course, doesn't stack with sneak attack/trick attack)

Honestly, Is thf supposed to be Wind Mage and the name got lost in translation or something? :x

Low delay on daggers combined with triple attack and double attack..... please.... Not to mention all the haste you can wear on thf. You thfs are better off cause your tp gain wont get haxed and you will still attack like crazy. Ill be suprised if you can even tell a difference without a 3rd party program. Even when i use the trait on on my blu hell i double attack so much there is almost no delay thats noticeable cause i never stop swinging. Yall all tripping off nothing and most of you will still sub nin anyway for shadows. Be glad your not a nin our most unique trait is being given to everyone and we already climing an uphill battle.

I'm really tired of reading this. It just smacks of bitterness over something rather trivial. Being "unique" as far as native dual wield was concerned didn't make NIN more powerful before, and losing that uniqueness hasn't hurt them more. It's like complaining about your hood ornament when your tires are flat.

'Other jobs have it worse' means what exactly and why?

"You broke my arm!"
"Well just be glad your not a paraplegic!"
"That doesnt make it hurt less, doesnt make me feel any better, nor is it helpful/constructive in any way to the current situation"

We get it. Nin needs help. Go make your own thread instead of sh*tting on our parade jeez. No one said nin isnt in the same sinking boat, nor that nin doesnt also need help. SE has ignored a couple jobs and nin+thf are 2 of em.

(one of) the problems with Thf DW one is that it literally does nothing. "Oh well you will just /nin /dnc anyway so stop complaining". THATS THE POINT. SE paid some programmers to write this sh*t and it quite literally will have ZERO effect in any way shape or form because our best offense and best defense (and arguable best utility via stealing hate and blink tanking, kiting, etc) are ALL based on /nin. Its as good as giving us nothing with additional effect: salt in the wound. This is worse than giving nothing because it is nothing tied with a slap in the face. At least despoil (no matter how sh*tty) actually added something to the job, even though that nothing was garbage. This was in a sense worse than nothing because it is a morale hit while adding no actual benefit of any kind. The ONLY benefit to native DW is the ability to stick our lovely TH+1 knife in our offhand during 1st floor salvage because we CANT /nin yet. Thats it.

This update is about as awesome as:

SE:Ninja will receive new powerful magic next update!
Players: OMG FINALLY! HOlY CRAP i cant wait!!!
Patch Notes: Ninja has received the spell blink.
Players: RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!

Edited, Sep 2nd 2010 9:47am by Banalaty

Since when? 2003? Lets list the wide array of endgame content that meet these following criteria for going thf/war:
A: does not have AOES that are blink-able
B: a mob people actually allow melees to melee
C: Are actually HARD enough mobs that zerk/DA would actually do more damage than DW3 (weaker mobs DW outshines /war for DD)
D: let the thf in before 5% so they can "do their job" of tagging the mob while letting a DD with actual DD potential on high end mobs take that slot the other 95% of its life because Thf simply cant do the same damage as other DDs on high end mobs no matter what they sub.
E: Will not be doing anything else immediately before or after that also requires /nin (doing more than 1 event back to back. 1 that requires /nin, the other which one 'could' /war)

Go ahead. Ill wait.

I personally cant recall off the top of my head the last time i went thf/war to anything that wasnt fafnir so I could voke claim. I think it was a Kirin about 1.5 years ago.

Edit:
TLDR Thf/war is largely impractical and still struggles to beat /nin in overall DD while sacrificing any semblance of defense.

Now Thf with DW3 native would open up a world of hurt /war but sacrifice defense. fair trade. One could also thf/drg and combine hate steal with hate shed and nice 25% haste builds. Or /sam and be more effective. Or /drk and get a 30%+ attack speed boost and put out OK damage on a zerg besides just sticking feint+TH. DW would unbind us from /nin as the best sub for everything and give us a huge new toolbag to fit niche situations across the board more effectively which we cant when we are bound to /nin for everything and changing subs gives to little and costs to much.

Edited, Sep 2nd 2010 10:04am by Banalaty

Edited, Sep 2nd 2010 10:06am by Banalaty

A) most mobs do not
B) What exactly wouldn't you melee? Tiamat?
C) Hence why i said for hnm
D) Who the @#%^ brings 19+ people to anything anymore?
E) Sure.

OK, well that's good to know. So now what can be done about the second paragraph of my post? How do we make 1-hand/DW just as viable as 2-hand without trivializing 2-hand?

Dev1: "Let's give THF a 'Great Dagger' so they can have the 2H mod and better HNM WS!"
Dev2: "Wouldn't that be called a sword?"
Dev1: "Who are you again?"
Dev2: "Oh, I'm Hiro.."
Dev1: "You're fired."

Of course there would be whining, it'd just be about how every job is identical, instead of how nin/thf/etc are sh*tty jobs.

Please disregard this thread. SE FINALLY fixed despoil and that's pretty much what we needed.

Nothing to see here.

ya think?

Come on, Square! You can still give us something completely awesome at the last second. You guys have given us fantastic storylines since the game's release, so fixing some battle issues should be nothing for you- especially with the battle director at the helm now!

I have faith in you.