Fix NIN. Some suggestions.Follow

Currently, NIN is in really bad shape. It specializes at nothing and doesn't do anything that great.

It can enfeeble, but Hojo: Ni is a joke compared to Slow II.

It can do damage, but all the two handed DD's, and to a lesser extent THF and DNC, can all DD better, *AND* don't have a crappy Weapon skill. Face it, Jin being our best WS is..bad.

It can't main heal, or support.

It can't really tank all that well anymore compared to a PLD, and almost any job can tank just as well as NIN just by subbing it as a sub job. The only things it can still tank better than another job subbing it, are things that have bad accuracy, which is few and between now a days, and PLD can still tank most of those better too.

Simple suggestions, and fixes.

Help it tank:

Some type of Specialization trait. Enhanced effect for :Ichi spells.

This would give 4 shadow to utsu ichi, increase resist down effect on ichi elementals, etc. So, now NIN would have 7 shadows, and stronger resist down spells should they for whatever reason want them. Then, go even further, and give Ninja Shadow Mastery or something. This would half the amount of shadows taken from multi-hits and aga spells. So if an aga spell would take all, or a TP attack would take all, it would only remove half (rounded up). So Thundaga III removes 2 shadows if 3 were up, etc.

Give us a JA that consumes remaining shadows and allows us to add enmity to the monster based on how many were remaining. IE: If it isn't hitting you what good are those shadows doing for you?

There, tanking Ninja is fixed and not overpowered.

Help it DD:

Give it better Dual Wield, give it a better WS because Jin is outdated to holy hell, lower Futae recast to 1min and make it 100% more instead of 50%. Give us something that lets us SC with ourselves. Maybe sacrifice 1 shadow to add an element of our choosing to the mob. There, DD ninja is fixed, pretty badass, and isn't overpowered at all.

Do something. I want to play Ninja at things again.

Edited, Aug 27th 2010 7:13am by Zafire

My RDM DD's better then my NIN does. Mostly because of enspells, but still. It shouldn't be, period

Also, THF's Dancing Edge damage is way ahead of Jin's, by quite a bit. It's almost sad how bad their best weapons skill is. Okay no..It is.

:/

Edited, Aug 27th 2010 2:09pm by Zafire

I suggested this before, but I'll suggest it again. There should be a spell set list for NIN. Every ninjutsu will still be available, but the ones that are set on the list offer enhanced effects upon being cast, as well as requiring no tools to do so.

Let's just call the max # of spells able to be set 5 for now. NIN has access to 30 spells (32 after this coming update). The NIN sets Utsusemi: Ichi, Utsusemi: Ni, Aisha: Ichi, Doton: San, and Tonko: Ni. Now here's some ideas of what happens upon each cast:

Utsusemi: Ichi - User gets 3 shadows and gets increased Fast Cast.
Utsusemi: Ni - User gets 4 shadows and gets increased Evasion and Parry rates.
Aisha: Ichi - Enemy's attack is lowered and user's attack is raised by the same % for a short while.
Doton: San - Enemy takes earth damage and receives lower wind elemental resistance and the user receives a Stoneskin effect.
Tonko: Ni - User gains the effect of Invisible and Quickening.

Adding the elemental defensive buffs onto the San nukes when set to this spell list would also have the added benefit of making those merits more worthwhile. Ichi nukes could do Enspell I, Ni nukes could do Enspell II, etc.

Edited, Aug 27th 2010 3:51pm by Seitekifu

I like the idea about giving extra buffs to ninja buffs, but only as Nin main.

Also, if level progression continues for JT's, nin will have Dual wield V at lv85 (Totalling a -40% Delay reduction for nin. DW1: 10% DW2: 15% DW3: 25% DW4 30%, so DW5: 40%).

If they aren't planning this already, they really should. It would be a very nice boost and not incredibly overpowered.

Was this at level 75+? Or level 40 to 50?

Actually they're not. Katanas do more damage.

At one point in time NINs were one of the best jobs to bring to a merit party and 2h jobs were loljobs and were on these same forums begging for fixes.Then 2h got buffed and NIN's QQ'd. Now NINs are in the same spot 2h once were, the tables have turne. If you complain enough you'll get your fix, but NIN isn't as bad as 2h are because NIN is not just a DD they're a tank.

I'm not a NIN so I don't know if my suggestions are valid but I am a PLD and I know NINs can't hold hate as well as a PLD because of the nerfs to spell enmity and that NIN has no native hate making tools. So since PLD is all about defense/hp/high enmity tools, why can't NIN be about evasion/status ailments/damage? They could make NIN a better tank by giving them abilities that increase their attack speed or damage dealt which raises their ability to hold hate.

Ideas:
-Give them an Itchi and Ni 'Provoke' ninjutsu to eliminate the need for /WAR or /DRK for tanking making other subs more interesting like /PLD, /THF or /RNG perhaps.
-Increase the accuracy of debuff Ninjutsu or release a line of San debuff spells.
-Give NIN 'Shuriken Mastery' which increases accuracy and damage dealt by throwing shurikens by a substantial amount and give them tiers of it. Overhaul the synth recipes for shurikens and make them cheaper or yield a higher amount per synth. Introduce higher level shurikens with higher base damage.
-Give NIN a tier or two of Accuracy Bonus after level 50(so it couldn't be subbed) to help with their accuracy and ranged accuracy. And increase their Throwing to A+. NINs excelled in throwing in previous games, so NIN should be reliable throwing in this one.
-Finally make a line of throwing weapon skills , it's easy to do, just copy and paste all the archery/throwing weapon skills and rename them since they're exactly the same but put the throwing animation instead of the shooting/aiming animation. It's lame that they wouldn't be brand new ws but it's better than nothing.

Edited, Aug 30th 2010 12:46pm by TheHolyDragoonSeraphus

Give us our Ninjutsu Ichi line of spells at Lv50-75, anything above 75 should be Ni or San tiers.

Change Ninja's merits to make them f*cking worth spending merits on, spending merits for +2DAMAGE on T1 merits isn't worth it at all, add MAB/MAcc/Increased effect to T1 merits.

Current NIN Merits:

Change it to:


Fix Ninjutsu, Ichi spells(subable) shouldn't have the same resistance down potency as San spells. give Nin :san line of Hojo/Jubako/Kurayami/Dokumori and give them higher potency than their ichi and ni counterparts.

oh and add better TOM Katanas with elemental affinity similar to the staves, NIN is a hybrid job afterall.

Edited, Aug 31st 2010 9:24am by Sequ

All they need to do is get rid of tools and let us use mp, or have tools store like temp items or puppet attachments. Quit making katanas with dagger dmg, Katanas should easily match swords in dmg. add dot effect to elemental ninjitsu. lower resist dont do crap cause if it did each ninjitsu cast would out dmg the last if you use them in the right order. Add weapon skills that dont do magic dmg. Its dumb no matter what weapon you use. evisceration with 230 dagger skill is most times better than jin with 294 skill wtf. allow us high ranking in other weapons like swords and fix the tp gain for dualwielding 5 tp a hit is bullsh*t. Blink tanking was created by the players we need to get away from that let pld do that by themselves. I dont want to tank on nin cause it take more work than its worth. Maybe some ability that lets us steal emnity from one pt member with a 30 sec recast could help if people actually want to tank on nin. double attack trait wouldnt hurt either especialy if we gonna have to deal with weak ass katanas. all the ninjitsu does the same dmg and they all suck. San line of spell are stupid and take to long to cast. What the hell is the point in throwing not many items in game do dmg to make it worth while, and with the delay on throwing item its just a waste of time especialy since throwing has no weapon skills.

fyi, duration doesn't matter for them, since the -resist only lasts a single nuke/spell.

In older ffs, spending a billion gil on junk wasn't a big deal.

ANY spell? Even those that aren't the ninjutsu wheel?

Like, if you tried casting Suiton for a BLM alliance, only one BLM would get the added accuracy on his Thunder XVII (and only if his spell lands before any other one)?

That's kinda lameness if it's true

Edited, Sep 2nd 2010 4:03pm by Fynlar

Interesting, do you happen to have the link of where this was tested?

I was always under the assumption that it lasted for the 20 some odd seconds until it wore off or until you casted another Ninjutsu elemental nuke(to change the resist down or overwrite the timer). :-/