ShamanFollow

Please note that the below suggestion is open to improvements. Please feel free to advice on any changes.

Seeing the lack of the Healer class at an advance job level, and the lack of use for Monk as a sub for advance jobs, I’m suggesting an alternative. This mage class should be called Shaman. The Shaman can be found in FF3 as a healer class much similar to the White Mage, but the Shaman here uses Shamanic magic which involves the sacrifice of life or objects for his spells to work.

The Shaman will have no MP at all and would not require any to cast his spells. All his spells are cast using certain sacrificed amount of his own HP. The effectiveness of his spells is instead dependent on the VITaity stats instead of MND/INT like the other mages.

Shaman Attribute Progression
HIT POINT 3
MAGIC POINT 0
STRENGTH 3
DEXTERITY 3
VITALITY 5
AGILITY 2
INTELLIGENCE 3
MIND 3
CHARISMA 2

WEAPON Used
HtH (A), Dagger, Club and Staffs.


The list of spells that the Shaman would have would look something like this:

Job Ablility
Afterlife @ 2hr (LvL 1)---- Gains Reraise Effect for 30 sec. Shaman will not be weakened and come back with full HP with this ability.
Vicious Seal @ 15 mins (LvL 15)--- Doubles effect for next Bloodcure/Corrupt.


Job Traits
Fast Heal (lvl 15) --- Increase Healing rate of HP when resting.
Fast Heal II(lvl 35) --- Increase Healing rate of HP when resting.
Fast Heal III (lvl 60) --- Increase Healing rate of HP when resting.

Job Specific Spells
Bloodworm Deals @ LVL 3--- 1 damage per 3 sec to target enemy and adding the damage dealt to the Shaman’s life

Enrage @LVL 5--- Similar to Provoke. Mob will deal critical hit on next attack if target is Shaman.

BloodCure @LVL 8--- Sacrifice 16 hp to cure target for a max for 24 hp (based on VIT and magic skill lvl) Can't be used to cure yourself.

Endrain @ LVL 11--- 5 hp to Enchants own weapon and receive 3% of damage dealt.

Venom @ LVL 13 --- Much like the Damselfly’s Venom.

Ritual of Curse @ LVL 15 --- Once cast, a 'Ritual Icon will appear at the top left corner. 5 Hp per 1 sec will be deducted from you until mob dies or Ritual icon is disabled While ritual is activated, mob will hit at a reduced damage. If Shaman is attacked, the ritual will end. Recast is 1 min. Gains aggro over time.

Corrupt @ LVL 17--- Sacrifice 30 hp to deal a max of 45 damage (based on VIT and magic skill lvl). This spell will not be resisted. Recast 30 sec.

Bloodcure II @ LVL 19 --- Sacrifice 32 hp to cure target for a max of 60 hp (based on VIT and magic skill lvl) Can't be used to cure yourself

BloodLeech @ LVL 21 --- 2 damage per 3 sec to target enemy and adding the damage dealt to the Shaman’s life. Does not stack with Bloodworm

Bloodlust @ Lvl 23 --- Deal 1 Damage to self per sec. Increase damage deal and attack speed but weakens VIT.

Talisman of Cure @ LVL 25 --- Sacrifice 10% of own hp to activate Talisman of Cure. Once activated, all PT member will cure for 3 Hp per 3 sec until Shaman is attacked. Does not stack with other Talisman. Gains aggro over time.

Concoction @ LVL 28 --- Sacrifice 10 Hp. The effect of the next Medicine used will be doubled.

Life Pact @ LVL 30 --- Similar to Raise. For each HP the unconscious player has at Full health, the Shaman will have to sacrifice 2 HP (example a taru have 100 hp when alive, Shaman will sacrifice 200 hp to raise him). If in any case the unconscious has a HP amount more than the Shaman can handle, the Shaman will be reduce to 1 hp and the Raised player will be weakened to that amount of HP Shaman was able to sacrifice for 5 mins.

Death Pact @ LvL 30 --- Sacrifice 50% of current Hp to disable aggro from enemy for 10 sec. (Mob will think that he's dead) Recast 1 min.

Bloodcure III @ 32 --- Sacrifice 60 hp to cure target for a max of 125 hp (based on VIT and magic skill lvl) Can't be used to cure yourself.

Corupt II @ LVL 35 --- Sacrifice 60 hp to deal a max of 100 damage (based on VIT and magic skill lvl). This spell will not be resisted. Recast 30 Sec

Ritual of Possess @ LVL 37 --- Once cast, a 'Ritual Icon will appear at the top left corner. 5 Hp per 1 sec will be deducted from you until mob dies or Ritual icon is disabled. While ritual is activated, mob TP gain from attacks will be reduced by 75%, while TP gained by party member is increased by 15%. If Shaman is attacked, the ritual will end. Recast is 1 min. Gains aggro over time.

BloodLocust @ LVL 39 --- 3 damage per 3 sec to target enemy and adding the damage dealt to the Shaman’s life. Does not stack with Bloodworm or Bloodleech

Talisman of Ether @ LVL 42 --- Sacrifice 10% of own hp to activate Talisman of Ether. Once activated, all PT member will gain for 1 MP per 3 sec until Shaman is attacked. Does not stack with other Talisman. Gains aggro over time.

Hypnotise @ 45 --- Charms the target mob and come under your control. But unlike the BST charm, mob turn aggressive immediately when it is hit or healed. Recast 5 mins.

Ritual of Bloodlust @ LVL 48 --- Once cast, a 'Ritual Icon will appear at the top left corner. 5 Hp per 1 sec will be deducted from you until mob dies or Ritual icon is disabled. While ritual is activated, PT member will all gain Bloodlust effect without the life deduction. If Shaman is attacked, the ritual will end. Recast is 1 min. Gains aggro over time.


This is a revamp of another idea to suit the FF game. Suggestion to improve this is much appreciated.



Edited, Fri May 21 21:08:11 2004 by Couragewithin

Edited, Sun May 23 21:53:36 2004 by Couragewithin

Edited, Mon May 24 03:38:49 2004 by Couragewithin

Edited, Wed May 26 01:35:13 2004 by Couragewithin

Edited, Wed May 26 01:42:43 2004 by Couragewithin

Edited, Fri May 28 02:47:59 2004 by Couragewithin

I dun quite like how the Ritual spell works now. I think it'll take away the fun in this job if you have to channel the spell, So I'm changing it from

"This is a channelling spell, which means you will not be able to cast other spells while this is cast. During Ritual 5 hp will be deducted form you pre 3 sec." to something like

"Once cast, a 'Ritual Icon will appear at the top left corner. 5 Hp per 3 sec will be deducted from you until mob dies or Ritual icon is disabled".

Also, I feel that the name 'Disease' is not relevant. Any improvement to that is greatly appreciated.

Sorry Hax, I don't get you on that. Which ablilty is too strong again?

wow, i like this idea. alot. I'd go so far as to say i'd pay an extra dollar per month just so i could have this job in addition to my existing charcters. Not an overly powerful class at the moment, but that can be changed. personally, i think this class should have B or A in hand to hand, this seems like a class that would really benefit from having MNK subbed, or being the sub of MNK. all these blood spells should stay active even if you're attacking, but if you move (flanking the monster or chasing after), the rituals should stop.

although, i think the rituals need to drain more hp per 3 seconds. assuming the player had no heals, and the monster was kept alive....the rituals would last 10 minutes (with 1000 hp). thats assuming no heals, and bloodworm, bloodleach, or bloodlocust are not up. assuming Bloodlocust is up, you're only losing 2 hp per 3 seconds, and if you are using Endrain, you probably aren't losing any. not to mention cures from the mage, or a simple Regen (or Regen 2 or bard healing song), you'd never be losing any hp, while keeping these rituals up. I think you should add more rituals to do various things, but make the rituals not able to kill you. make it so that at most, the ritual will turn off if the next timer will kill you.

also, life pact...i believe that this can work...but in instances where the shaman would not normally be able to raise a player and live, he should be allowed to raise the player, be reduced to 1 hp, and the shaman will be inflicted with a weakness where he will be stuck at 1 hp for 30 seconds or 1 minute.

Talisman of Cure should take far more than 15 hp. perhaps 25% health or even 50% health. the Shaman should have to give up something for being able to heal the entire group indefinately.

Endrain should require far more than only 5hp to recieve back 5% of each hit. at lvl 11, if he were hitting for even 2's each time, it would round up to 1 hp back, and in 5 hits, he'd have his hp back. make it take something like 10% of his total hp.

The blood cures should NOT heal the player himself, only other players. The shaman would have enough tools at his disposal to gain back the hp he needs without this.

All blood magic should be relatively instantaneous. maybe the rituals might take 2 seconds or so to enact, but there shouldn't be hardly any "casting" time on the other blood spells.

Disease implies a damage over time. Try to think of something instant, like Blood Dart or Voodoo Curse. i'll try to think of more feedback

I dont like it, or atleast i would never play as it. in party it just makes one other player that who's HP the white mage has to watch (waste of MP on WHM'S part as they would have to keep HP high incase of any AOE's)... i also see this job dying way too often. Soloing would be even harder since not only does being hit take from you HP, but hitting it aswell? Even with monk HP i'd hate it. It sounds a lot like a job idea called "Bloodmage" that someone posted a while ago, nobody really liked it then either.

you are entitled to your opinion, but you're wrong. this would not be a drain on WHM. As it stands right now, we are saying that this class would never die because of how the HP flow works right now. Honestly, i think this class would be the quickest to level to 15.

think about it, if you're a monk like class that has vampiric powers at level 3, you're ahead of the game. Fight an Even Match, then when your hp is close to nothing, fight a Too weak to be worth while to build your HP back. there's almost no downtime, and you're farming while you do have "downtime". Blood Cure at 8, which does a pretty decent heal. if two Shamans grouped together, they should be pretty powerful. Endrain at 11...this speeds up the hp flow, and will probably allow them to use their enrage ability without too much fear of death. Venom at lvl 13 will allow yet another poison to stack onto the monster. pair this with a real poison wielding black mage or a red mage, and you're taking a significant amount of the monster's life down every 3 seconds. At lvl 15, they get a blood spell that allows the whole party to take less damage, and at lvl 18, they get an instant cast nuke(hopefully this has cast time of 0 -- cast while running -- and recast time of only 3 or 6 seconds). sounds like a useful job to me. I don't see this job as a burden at all. I'd play it in a heartbeat.

*edit
Added Weapon used.
Revamped how Ritaul works.
Added 2 new spells, Talisman of Ether and Hypnotise.
Shifted Ritual of Bloodlust to have a higher lvl requirement.

i like the new additions and changes! with hypnotise, shamans would make excellent compliments to thief pullers. If they get a link, hypnotise and you also have your next pull waiting. it would be interesting if they could use the pet attack commands to generate a large hate spike, similar to 2 provokes. for example, the main tank is having trouble holding hate in the beginning cause the BLM chain nukes right off the bat. if the pull is hypnotised, then sent to attack the main tank, that should generate huge hate toward the main tank. I suggest that hypnotise be attained much sooner, such as level 15.

And what did you mean by hypnotise breaking when the mob is hit or healed? do you mean if the hypnotise is held for roughly 30 seconds, when the monster would normally start regenerating hp, that when it regenerates for the first time, it breaks the hypnotise? Another question i have, when you hypnotise the mob, does it completely erase the hate table? can hypnotise fail? will hypnotise work on NMs? if someone hypnotises a mob at full life, how long will the hypnotise last? if it lasts indefinately, is there a limit to the number of mobs that can be hypnotised by the Shaman?

personally, i think it would be very advantageous, yet, not overpowered for hypnotise to clear the hate table entirely, as if you hadn't pulled the mob yet, and operate as the shaman's pet until it is hit or regenerates hp. only one mob can be hypnotised, if you try to hypnotise something else, you'll be able to hypnotise something else, but your previous hypnotised target will become unhypnotised.

i don't get the reference to warcraft 3. if anything, this reminds me more of a savage from DAOC.

Hmmmmmmmmm...

I would rather see me as a shaman/white mage, healing myself when I become low on health

Like the shaman.

Rate up.

There is credible reasons y a SHN/WHM would be a good comno too, especially if the race is Taru. It would greatly reduce downtime as both the HP and MP are replenished when resting.

And good point DOnouchi, I'll look into the job traits. 1 Reason y this job shouldn't have auto-regen as a trait is becos it would only mcouteract the penatlies of the HP sacrifices, which I was afriad, would make the Shaman too strong.

Regarding the Hypnotise, the reason y it's not lower lvl was becos I wouldn't want this to be another BST. What the spell means is that when u hypontised the mob, it will unhypnotise immediately if it's hit or heal, making it unsuitable for use as a tank like in BST solo situations.

What about any passive abilities gained that help with enmity from Undead. With your shaman losing and gaining life all the time you have the possibility of making a lot of undead very angry.

Aura of Undeath I - Undead/Ghosts will not aggro when the shaman has only 75% or more life left.

Aura of Undeath II - Undead/Ghosts will not aggro when the shaman has only 50% or more life left.

Aura of Undeath III - Undead/Ghosts will not aggro when the shaman has only 25% or more life left.

And I mean, will not aggro period. This would give the shamans a pretty good means of sneaking past undead/ghosts as well.

"Whats that guy doing there next to that wight? Is he resting? That guy must be crazy!"

Just an idea...

After much consideration, I feel that the Shaman shouldn't be able to Bloodcure himself, since he's transfering his own blood to himself. He would still be able to cure himself if he has WHM/RDM sub using the normal Cure.

The Casting would be 0 sec. Recast is 2 Sec.

Also I think Bumzilla, you have a nice sugestion. But I think I'll instead make that into a lvl 30 spell called 'DeathPact' with certain changes.


Edited, Thu May 27 21:52:09 2004 by Couragewithin

Keits pls don't get offended...but I'm really disappointed at someone who doesn't thinks it through and read the text carefully before commenting it's broken.
Bloodcure doesn't come until lvl 8. Worse! You can't bloodcure yourself. And how does this job get infinite HP? I don't get that either.

Edited, Fri May 28 02:50:47 2004 by Couragewithin

man, what a great idea! and so well thought-out.....kudos courage!!

courage, any thought to higher level abilities yet?

Not really, because you actually dont sacrificing life for your spells until the first Bloodcure at lvl 8.

Sounds great. One more mage class that is basically WHM/BLM. Is it SHM? Well SHM/WHM would be a alternative main healer combo. With the Talisman thing ( which is very much like Warcraft III's Healing Ward) and the Bloodcure, it makes a good healer.

But the Bloodcure takes a lot of HP. How will the SHM cope with that? Maybe it focuses on all +hp items.

(in fact, I played a Warcraft III "Tides of Blood" custom game where the hero "Bloodmage" was very very simalar to this. Did you get the idea from there?)

Good idea man, keep it up.

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Edited, Aug 6th 2008 4:56am by NinjaThiefAllTheWay

I see dont see shamans wearing the same armor as reds or using the same weapons either. I see them having armor and weapons pretty close to whats monks are allowed, maybe even giving Shamans HTH as their A skill.

...i think a shaman would be far better in a party than say... a dragoon or a mediocre damage dealer, and it adds flavor to a job, makes it unique.

I really like this suggestion, very well thought out and something FFXI could really use. Would be interesting to see SHM/WHM or SHM/MNK or SHM/RDM combos. This would make for a very different kind of Mage job and finally one Galka could excel at. Great idea.

This is a very good idea rate up ^.^,but what about a taru shm? you would be useless in a pt with almost no hp compared to a galka. and you not being able to blood cure yourself would mean a taru would have to sub whm to cure himself. so he depends on his small mp pool and you dont have any mp+ jobtraits so you need to rest to get mp before lvl 41 until rdm gets refresh so whoever said there would be no downtime was wrong cause the shm would need to rest to get mp to keep himself useful. But everything else is great i hope to see this job in the game m^.^m

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RANK 5
RDM51/BLM25
Taruwaru ^.^





Edited, Fri Dec 3 18:25:40 2004 by Zorrito

want to play what this class would be?...log on to EQ and play a necromancer or a shaman..basically same idea only you get pets and huge DOT spells....and if it turns out being anything like the necro then say goodbye to the rdms...though i do agree this game should have close to 6-8 mage jobs...

LOL. The reason SE won't implement this job (based on your description of it) is because Wizards of the Coast would sue them out of business. You've basically taken a bunch of black mana Magic the Gathering cards and made a job class out of them. The descriptions for the abilities almost read as if directly from a MTG card. ><

Edited, Tue Jan 24 08:57:50 2006 by Chocotaku

Another fun idea for a abilities/spells, maybe something around level 30?

Two ways to do this:

1 - Let SHM have a ranged attack "blood spit" or something - they make their blood like venom, that'll act like the spell "Poison" or something.

2 - Have a SHM ability, sacrifice X hit points for Y (X*?) damage, once every 5-10 minutes.


Another idea along the lines of a SHM's blood being poisonous, after like level 50 maybe they could have a "blood spikes" ability that works like "Berserk" for Warriors - up for 2 minutes, 3 minute cool-down - everytime a SHM is hit with melee damage, there's a % chance that their venomous blood splatters on the enemy, causing a little bit of damage.

Just a few ideas :-)