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#1 May 16 2004 at 7:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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This forum is for feedback and suggestions to the Square-Enix about things they can do to improve the game for you. Please limit your posts to direct feedback to the developers, not the other players. We will delete any posts feel are not appropriate to this forum (once we get thread moving capacity, we will just move them to the other forum, but for now we will delete them). Square-Enix will be monitoring this forum and occasionally posting here. Hopefully, it can be used responsibly so that they can get useful feedback. Thanks.

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#2 May 16 2004 at 9:49 PM Rating: Decent
A Few things that will get your post deleted:

a) Adversarial tone.
b) L33t Speak.
c) Lack of punctuation and/or line breaks.
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#3 May 17 2004 at 12:12 AM Rating: Good
d) use of the words Square Enix or similair in the subject.
e) use of words like Important, Read Now, etc.
f) use of inappropriate capitalization
g) repeating previously made suggestions.

Edited, Mon May 17 01:15:45 2004 by Illia
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#4 May 17 2004 at 1:07 AM Rating: Good
h) the use of non-descript subjects
i) Repeating what others have posted
j) did I mention repeating?
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#9 May 17 2004 at 12:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Another thing, do not *BUMP* threads, your post will be deleted.
#11 May 17 2004 at 1:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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Also, if you agree with a post, please rate it up. That lets someone look for ideas by rating.
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#12 May 17 2004 at 2:26 PM Rating: Good
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Needless to say, no cursing about stuff.

Also, complaining about JP players without posting any useful suggestions is a good way to get nuked.
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#14 May 17 2004 at 3:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Thank you for all the hard work you are doing for the community, keep it up :)
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#16 May 17 2004 at 7:53 PM Rating: Decent
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Has there been any response posts from the company yet? If so, please post some links ^^.
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#17 May 17 2004 at 8:14 PM Rating: Decent
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My topic was deleted. I'd understand if I repeated a topic already posted. However, it was the third topic posted here and the first two didn't have my suggestions.
#18 May 17 2004 at 8:30 PM Rating: Decent
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you should take into account that some present their ideas in a manner that is more appropriate than most. I would hate to see those Threads deleted by one who writes in L33t or use bad language in the thread.

Why delete a thread well presented because one person replying doesn't get the concept that this forum will be used by SE staff? " Yeah f$%^ ALT+Tab" or **** it, it would be amazing" could well be deleted within a thread without ruining the hard work of someone who knows the purpose of this forum.

Please do not delete those threads, just the bad replies.

Was my suggestion to admins ;)
#19 May 18 2004 at 6:49 AM Rating: Decent
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My suggestion:
Since you admins moderate this forum and delete unusefull threats, you may also create another new forum, and move all threats you think are important enought to show to SE there to.
In the new Forum normal users only can reply, but not creat new threats.
In this way you have less work to do if someone post an alread existing topic.
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#20 May 18 2004 at 12:45 PM Rating: Decent
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i just want to know why when i am posting a tread, this one is immediately deleted even if a use correct language, punctuation etc...
i just want to know what i have done wrong
explain for me to understand please...
#21 May 18 2004 at 3:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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Many threads are being deleted because of repetitiveness.
#22 May 18 2004 at 3:41 PM Rating: Decent
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yeah but this one was something that no one alse have said about a new zone without mob dedicated to the social side of the game...
#23 May 18 2004 at 3:41 PM Rating: Good
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Note: I am also nuking threads that I feel are only being posted to make the game easier to play, regardless of balance. So this means "make gil easier to get" and other such threads.
#24 May 18 2004 at 3:50 PM Rating: Default
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but that was not in the goal of making gils...
i'm more interrested by the social side
like in ragnarok online i loved to sit in a beautiful place and chatting with people there, that was a good thing, and helped to make friends
it should be like a giant chat room
not with money principes... i don't care about money if i want some i just have to farm during 3-4 hours...
#25 May 18 2004 at 4:16 PM Rating: Default
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Hello-wello!

Would one of you moderators be kind enough to encourage discriminate rating, rather than indiscriminate? Some people are rating down every post in a thread without even looking at the individual inputaru~ most disturbing. ; ;
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#26 May 18 2004 at 6:56 PM Rating: Decent
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I'd like to make a comment about the way this forum works. I have entered a lot of legitimate threads (at least that I thought were legitimate) that have been nuked for no apparent reason. How about, if a post must be nuked, add an explanation at the end of the thread as to why it was nuked. This would be very helpful.
#27 May 18 2004 at 11:12 PM Rating: Decent
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My topic was the third in the forum. There's no way I posted a repetitive topic, because there was almost nil topics when I posted.
#28Guild, Posted: May 19 2004 at 1:32 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) This game sucks anyway who cares?
#29 May 19 2004 at 12:04 PM Rating: Decent
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yes... my well thought out and clearly presented argument for including the ability to type japanese characters in the English version was apparently nuked today after a grand 8 hours of being on here, while useless and repetitive posts remain active (make PLD/THF/SAM etc. more useful) remain. Could you please tell me why this has been removed? I thoroughly checked all of the rules and didn't think I was breaking any... plus I asked to be emailed if my thread was deleted so I would know why, I hope at least that courtesy is offered to me....
#30 May 19 2004 at 2:36 PM Rating: Good
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My suggestion as to another rule:

If your post starts out with the line, expect it to be deleted again. -

"I am reposting this because I cant find my original post. Apparently it got deleted..."

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If your first post WAS deleted.. apparently there was a reason. The mods decided it was irrelavent, offensive, or repetitive. Reposting it doesnt make it less so, it just clutters up the board.

If your first post WASNT deleted... well, you just cluttered up the board again, not only repeating a subject matter, but repeating a subject matter that YOU originally posted.

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If mods agree, feel free to post this in your own words or in mine. If you disagree, delete this response.
#31 May 19 2004 at 3:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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No offense....but I can't really imagine a Dev coming through this forum as it currently is to see feedback.

You have a forum that has been existing for 3 days now, and has now over 700 posts in it, AFTER several were deleted.

Upon reading many, most topics include topics that are at best irrelevant, at worst, downright racist. The problem being, finding a grain of information is like taking a drink for a firehose. There is by far too many posts here. I myself made a post on Monday, it has been since regulated back to page 14...

If this forum will work, my best suggestion, make sub forums.

Create one for Class Balancing, one for General issues, one for Tradeskill Issues, one for Content issues, one for Bugs that need resolution, and one for Quests and Missions. That way, S-E can also sort to see what areas the players have the most feadback for.

I know, if I were a developer, I would not want to look for posts trying to find out what was wrong, and have to sift through 100 posts that say "Make NA only servers, the JP players have an unfair advantage over me", or 30 posts on "Why we should breed Chocobo's like in Final Fantasy 7 and then Race them"
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#32 May 19 2004 at 7:35 PM Rating: Decent
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This is just stupid, some of the threads being deleted, are valid, and good ideas to boot.
For instance I posted an idea about a Casino, and a Gladitorial type arena. The idea was solid, balanced and took a heck of a long time to write up.

Remembering correctly, this forum was posted for Square-Enix to see its employers(players) ideas.
Not our ideas screened by a few people!!!
Simply put Mods, you are deleting too many quality posts.

Do not misunderstand me! I do agree that all posts should be in good taste, and in the best interest of FF, wether via Economy, Fun, or Combat. Whatever works.

I will be posting my casino/areana idea again. This time however the post will be saved to word, and be re-posted if it is deleted again.

Edited, Wed May 19 21:19:24 2004 by Ixariel
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#33Redfrost, Posted: May 19 2004 at 7:50 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) LMAO, you guys are horrible i represent alot of ppl on my server and you guys have deleted 3 of my threads which had about 13 ppl posting on it b4 you even had a chance to read it.
#34 May 19 2004 at 8:14 PM Rating: Decent
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If I may, I'd like to suggest that threads passing a certain post number (say, 35 or more posts) should be examined by an administrator and possibly Stickied if deemed worthy. Then examination and discussion of the idea elaborated on in the thread could be further expanded on without frequent bumps being required.
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#35 May 19 2004 at 10:35 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm also somewhat curious if deleted threads, if actually good ones, had been taken by the administrators and then forwarded to the SE folk before deletion. I was a bit irked that what seems like the only RDM thread had been deleted, specifically after one person had simply hopped in basically saying, "RDM is the most unbalanced class in the game!" and nothing else. Others that had disagreed with the presented ideas at least gave a reason.

Almost having RDM to 50, we don't particularly excel in anything, even enfeebling since our spells are split between WHM and BLM, except for Gravity. And truth be told, we'd like to offer more to a party than just Refresh or playing WHM when one can't be found.

The only other appropriately titled RDM thread I could think of would be the one concerning the last Genkai and it being much harder in comparison to the other jobs. I'm not even sure if that thread's still around.

I haven't reposted what I did in the RDM thread because I really want to believe there was a good reason for its removal, but if there wasn't, I'll join the others regarding the skepticism regarding our input.
#36 May 20 2004 at 4:45 AM Rating: Good
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Allakhazam Defender of Justice wrote:
Square-Enix will be monitoring this forum and occasionally posting here. Hopefully, it can be used responsibly so that they can get useful feedback. Thanks.

I have two questions:

How did you get S-E to agree to check this forum?

How will we know which posts are from S-E?




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#37 May 20 2004 at 9:04 AM Rating: Decent
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OK heres the deal, threads are being delted for various reason, one of them is they get to high in post count. This is for SE to see, not you guys to TELL them what to do. DO NOT BUMP THREADS. If you bump a thread, not only will it be deleted, but you will also get rated down.
#38 May 20 2004 at 9:49 AM Rating: Decent
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I have a question for the Administrators. I had a thread goin about TP indication in the party window. I get into the forum today and its no where to be found. I look through my logs and find a direct link to the thread:

Updated: TP display - Concept Screenshots

If you go to it, the thread is still there, its just my rating on the leading post was reduced to -1.70. I assume this was meant to make the thread not be displayed by the default filter when people enter the feedback/suggestion forum. My thread also linked to another thread that has had the same thing happen:

The Party Status Window: TP DISPLAY!

i aslo noticed that the Blue Mage thread is gone. were they toasted for getting bumped? with the scrolling problems, how can these threads get exposure without bumps? I'm not arguing, but i would like to know what happened to these threads that i put so much time into. On mine particularly, i spent quite a few hours on graphic work so that i could post concept screen shots. If they were toasted for bumping, can you do me one favor? re-enter it into the forums, and post a warning at the end of my thread that says "This is your final warning, one more bump and this thread is gone". I will be patiently awaiting a response. :)
#39 May 20 2004 at 9:52 AM Rating: Good
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ninaru wrote:
were they toasted for getting bumped?


Yes, there were a couple of posts made to this thread concerning bumping and the like. If people like a post, rate it, don't bump it. Bumping will get the post nuked and the bumping person rated down.
#40 May 20 2004 at 10:00 AM Rating: Decent
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i understand what you're trying to do, but doesn't this eliminate threads that have good suggestions that other people are bumping? people aren't going to bump a poor idea unless its their own. I appologize for bumping my thread, but i honestly didn't look back at this sticky thread till my thread was gone. I read it the first time i was in here, and unfortunately, your post regarding the deletion of posts that are bumped was not up yet.

i beg you to realize that these threads were good, full thought out threads, and they deserve to be given another chance in the feedback/suggestion forum. please consider re-entering these threads into the forum.
#41 May 20 2004 at 10:06 AM Rating: Decent
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Why not just delete the "/bump" posts and not kill the whole thread?
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#42 May 20 2004 at 10:08 AM Rating: Decent
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JiggaWhat wrote:
Why not just delete the "/bump" posts and not kill the whole thread?


Because its not easy to nuke 100+ bump threads. If the topic was a good one, just recreate it, and tell people to rate instead of bump.
#43 May 20 2004 at 10:27 AM Rating: Decent
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ok, i won't post in here after this, i promise. Haggan, thanks for making your DO NOT BUMP a sticky, so everyone knows :) and thanks for being so prompt to answer my questions regarding threads
#44 May 20 2004 at 10:41 AM Rating: Good
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I only mean to play Devil's Advocate here for a moment...

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If the topic was a good one, just recreate it, and tell people to rate instead of bump.


While, I understand the intention, won't this forum get overly crowded by doing this? Currently, this forum has received about 700 posts in 3 days, which results in over 233 posts a day to sift through. Of which some poor S E rep is going to have to read through all of this, and all of the duplicate posts to avoid bumping them. Also, not to offend some of the posters...but some make their arguments a bit...more elloquently than others. If the original thread is well thought out, factual and presented, and gets pushed to page 5, and the new thread is written "DOOD, U N3EDS TO DO THIS!" or similarly, no sensible dev is going to look at it twice, while the idea may be sound, because the original well written one is lost to the vacuous recess that is "Not the first page", it will likely never be seen, especially if S E is not checking this forum on a regular...daily basis.
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Aracelt wrote:
If the original thread is well thought out, factual and presented, and gets pushed to page 5, and the new thread is written "DOOD, U N3EDS TO DO THIS!" or similarly, no sensible dev is going to look at it twice.


While I sympathize and even agree, let us not forget the old* adage:

Arguing with an Administrator is kind of like peeing into the wind. It feels good for a second, but you soon realize that it was a really bad idea.

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Edited, Thu May 20 12:20:46 2004 by adennak
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#46 May 20 2004 at 11:22 AM Rating: Good
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I'm not argueing, I could really care less which way they go, I am merely pointing out a problem that I saw, and that others may see, especially those sifting through this forum...

The goal is to make this the best possible, in order to do that, discourse needs to take place. No single person has the best ideas, but a combination of several ideas can be the best. Thats why brainstorming situations occur, and if they didn't really want feedback, why not have just locked this thread.
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#47 May 20 2004 at 11:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Good suggestions will inevitably get discussion, counterarguments, additional development suggestions, et al and stay on or near the front page without needing to be bumped; the "OMG GOLDEN SAUCER" ones will fall gently to the bottom like fish food in an aquarium.
#48 May 20 2004 at 11:28 AM Rating: Decent
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I don't mind nuking the bumped posts. But the really long, articulate discussions getting nuked because they have too many posts is kinda. . . etch.

But still, adages are adages, and in the land of the forums, the Admins are kings. Actually, more like Mini-Gods.

Edited, Thu May 20 13:07:18 2004 by adennak
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#49 May 20 2004 at 12:35 PM Rating: Default
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And remembers kids;

Typing in all caps makes your text louder! (Right Haggan?)

If anything, I've learned a lot from the locked-sticky at the top about bumping. It just... jumped right off the page! Woohoo, go caps lock!

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#50 May 20 2004 at 2:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Typing in caps will get your posted nuked quicker than Easy Mac. Except when I do it. Cause im cool.
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I dont mind the deleting b/c of bumps, but deleting an awesome Idea for no rease baffles me.
*happened to me*
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