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#1 Dec 09 2006 at 6:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Flix guide to the Karma Effect.
U C WUT I DID THAR???



•What is KARMA?
  • KARMA, is what Allakhazam provides for users to filter out posters, and postings, they do not like, and don't want to bother reading. Many sites, including this one, have posters who run around in all the forums posting nonsense, or trying to start Flame wars. These are known as Trolls, and the KARMA system can help you deal with these.
  • If you see a post that you do not approve of, and is pointless, or trying to start a Flame war, you can choose to "Rate down" that person. You do this by selcting the box underneath their name, and choosing the rating you want to give.

•KARMA ratings, what, and when to use them.
  • KARMA ratings have 5 stages. These are:
  • Awful [1.00] ~ If you deem a post unnecessary, offensive, containing inappropriate links, etc.
  • Default [2.00] ~ If a post was not necessarily offensive, but possibly vulgar, unneeded.
  • Decent [3.00] ~ Standard rating most post have. A typical post. Neither insightful, funny, offensive, vulgar.
  • Good [4.00] ~ A good read. A helpful post, amusing, made you laugh. Someone made a nice topic that made you think.
  • Excellent [6.00] ~ A very well, concise, thought out post. Even if you do not agree with the opinions, this poster cleary put alot of thought and effort into their reply. Also commonly used for guides. hint, hint...

A note as of 3/09/2008. Rating someone has recently changed, as you will now only see a Green (Rate Up) or Red(Rate down) arrow, in the upper right-hand corner of someones post.

•So, how do my KARMA ratings affect other users?
  • Everytime you rate someone, you affect their base KARMA rating. This is a scale of 1.00-6.00, ((See below: "Base ratings")
  • If a base user's rating gets below a certain point, they will become sub-defaulted, and their post will not be readable by those using filters.


•Base KARMA vs. Per Post KARMA ratings.
  • As mentioned earlier, everytime you rate someones post, it affects their base KARMA rating. Each new poster, has a starting rating of 3.00. If they make good post, their ratings will go up, based on that fact. If they make bad post, annoying, or troll, they will soon be below the sub-default line, and you may filter out their post.
  • Base KARMA rating, gives you different "Status", of which, there are four levels:

  • User ~ - 3.00 This persons name is in Grey. They are new, or have been given a rating below the base 3.00.
  • Scholar - 3.01-3.65 - Name is in yellow. Most posters you see will have this status.
  • Sage - 3.65-4.39 - Name is in Red A good, useful poster. Often contributes useful information, ideas, thought out responses.
  • Guru - 4.40-5.00 - Name is in 'Chartreuse'Or neon green.... An amazing poster. Has good ideas, insights, post maturely, doesn't flame. Often acheived by helping members, posting guides again with the hint, hint... etc. A hard title to earn.
  • Smiley: bowdownAdministratorsSmiley: bowdown - T3H THRED GODZ. Do not anger these, for smite you, they will.

Please note, colors will depend on your stylesheet. The above is based off FFXI styles. ~Flix

•KARMA, and its proper use.
  • That FlixEffect is a real moron. Can I KARMA camp him to sub-default?

No. Following someone around, for the sole purpose of "camping" their KARMA down to oblivion is not allowed, or be tolerated. If you are caught doing this, an Admin will correct said KARMA, and greatly punish you by lowering yours, to near, if not sub-default level. If you do not like a users single post, rate that post down. If it is truly a bad post, others will do the same, and they will get what they deserve. Or, if it is really bad, an Smiley: bowdownAdministratorSmiley: bowdown will deal with it.
It is not your responsibility, or privelege, to KARMA "camp" someone yourself.
  • Boy, that FlixEffect sure is a cool guy, can I rate all his post and get him to Guru?

Why, yes... Thank you ^^/
No, you cannot. It is the same as "camping" someones KARMA down. Rate people on a post by post basis, do not go scrounging for a certain users post, just to give them a certain rating. KARMA was not designed as a "popularity" tool, it was meant as a tool to weed out trolls, and reward helpful, useful, thought out posters.[/li][/ul]


•But, I really like everyone I post with, and I want to see them all Guru!
  • Unfortunately, you cannot do this, and doing so, will in fact get an Smiley: bowdownAdministratorsSmiley: bowdown attention quite quickly, and everyones KARMA will be promptly reset. Unless a post is outstandingly funny, helpful, or well thought out, try to ignore the KARMA system for the most part. The same goes for rate downs. Unless a post is overly vulgar, crude, or offensive, please just carry on like there was no KARMA system.


•My KARMA has dropped alot recently, and I think someone is KARMA camping me, What can I do?
  • The only step you can do in this situation is to report it to an Smiley: bowdownAdministratorSmiley: bowdown, and allow them to look into the matter. DO NOT KARMA camp the person you believe to be offending you. This will only worsen matters.


•Everytime I post, it seems like I lose some KARMA! What can I do?
  • Nothing, really. Sadly, there are alot of people who only troll these forums with the intent to rate people down. Just ignore it.


•I made some mistakes in my early days, and my KARMA took a bad hit, can I get it back up?
  • In time, yes. Just keep posting, try to be useful, and not offend people, and your Karma will go back up. If you think you unfairly lost it, approach a site Admin.


•I don't really understand all of this, can't I just post and not worry about KARMA?
  • Yes, in fact, this is the smartest thing you can do.


•I'm a tech-head programmer. Can you explain this in my language?
  • Um, no. Not really. But Danalog sure can!

Danalog the Vengeful Programmer wrote:
Every time someone rates you, it averages it into your total number of ratings:
num_rates++;
karma_new = (rating / num_rates) + (karma_old * (num-rates - 1) / num_rates)

Every time you post, you rate yourself twice at your current rating:
num_rates += 2;
karma_new doesn't change since it's at the same value as before

This way older posters "lock" themselves into their posts easier, since they have more total *rates*.


•Can you sum all of this KARMA stuff up for me?
  • Sure. Just dont abuse the system. Rate ups are fine, rate downs are fine, just make sure they are for the right reason. Not just because you like someone, or want to see someone reach a status they may not deserve.
  • Allakhazam FAQ wrote:
    How and why you rate a post is your concern, however we ask that you keep a few things in mind. If you find yourself rating entire threads up or down, or following specific posters around and rating all of their posts one way, this is considered Karma camping, and is actively discouraged. Also, creating a secondary forum account for the sole purpose of buffering your own karma is considered cheating.

•Thanks for this guide, FlixEffect! And making it so pretty!
  • I have no life. Your welcome.


•Any parting advice on KARMA?
  • Yes. The number one rule of KARMA, is NEVER POST ABOUT KARMA. Ironic? Maybe...
  • For more information, read the the bottom of this Allakhazam page.


•Wait a minute! I read this guide, and I cant even rate people! Whats wrong?
  • A user must have a base rating of 3.01, at least 15 post, and Scholar status to be able to rate people. Keep posting, you will get it soon. Goodluck out there.



FlixEff3ct, 2006. Karma v 1.0

~This guide is subject to future updates without warning. I am in no way affiliated with Allakhazam.com, and do not present these as official Allakhazam statements, only a guideline of what I have heard and found myself from late events, and Admins.
Thank you~



Edited, Dec 11th 2006 12:54am by Danalog

Edited, Feb 13th 2007 6:25pm by Kaolian

Edited, Aug 25th 2007 8:47:18pm by FlixEffect

Edited, Aug 25th 2007 8:50:08pm by FlixEffect

Edited, Mar 9th 2008 6:53pm by FlixEffect
#2 Dec 09 2006 at 6:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's kinda like the Game.

On a side note, I lost the Game.
#3 Dec 09 2006 at 6:24 PM Rating: Good
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Rimesume's identifying socks/ rate trolls guide.

Color schemes coming soon.

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Edited, Dec 11th 2006 12:54am by Danalog

Thanks for fixing your box, hadn't even noticed the spacing. Smiley: frown

Edited, Dec 11th 2006 8:52pm by FlixEffect
#4 Dec 09 2006 at 6:25 PM Rating: Good
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STICKY OMG!1
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#5 Dec 09 2006 at 6:26 PM Rating: Decent
My guide to socks is much better. I'd rate you up, but it's clearly against the rules.
#6 Dec 09 2006 at 6:27 PM Rating: Good
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I was gonna link to your sock guide, but I forgot about it.
#7 Dec 09 2006 at 6:27 PM Rating: Good
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The One and Only FlixEffect wrote:
Notes:

I do not mean to offend anyone with this, only give new members, and some old, what I felt a summary of the apparent rules is.

If you see something wrong or I should add, please let me know.

Please do not be a Richard, this took a long *** time, and Im kinda nervous posting it.

Thanks for being cool about it in advance.

~FlixEff3ct

And Danalog said I could so HAH! I win.

Edited, Dec 9th 2006 6:27pm by FlixEffect


its good except the color part...if you don't use the FFXI background then the colors are different. Like for me Scholars are blue, sages are green and gurus are red.
#8 Dec 09 2006 at 6:27 PM Rating: Decent
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STICKZ NAW!!!

On a sidenote: The title colors change with every stylesheet. For the WoW stylesheet it's:

Orange - User
Blue - Scholar
Green - Sage
Red - Guru
Maroon - Admin Almighty

God damn you, Niobia! That was so my line!

Edited, Dec 10th 2006 3:30am by Mazra
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#9 Dec 09 2006 at 6:28 PM Rating: Decent
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Admiral niobia wrote:
The One and Only FlixEffect wrote:
Notes:

I do not mean to offend anyone with this, only give new members, and some old, what I felt a summary of the apparent rules is.

If you see something wrong or I should add, please let me know.

Please do not be a Richard, this took a long *** time, and Im kinda nervous posting it.

Thanks for being cool about it in advance.

~FlixEff3ct

And Danalog said I could so HAH! I win.

Edited, Dec 9th 2006 6:27pm by FlixEffect


its good except the color part...if you don't use the FFXI background then the colors are different. Like for me Scholars are blue, sages are green and gurus are red.


Theres a color disclaimer in there. I didnt know how else to do it. Smiley: frown


i phail.
#10 Dec 09 2006 at 6:29 PM Rating: Good
Mazra the Meaningless wrote:
STICKZ NAW!!!

On a sidenote: The title colors change with every stylesheet. For the WoW stylesheet it's:

Orange - User
Blue - Scholar
Green - Sage
Red - Guru
Maroon - Admin Almighty

God damn you, Niobia! That was so my line!

Edited, Dec 10th 2006 3:30am by Mazra



FFXI stylesheet:

Gray - User
Yellow - Scholar
Red - Sage
Gold - Guru
Maroon - Admin
#11 Dec 09 2006 at 6:30 PM Rating: Good
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You could just include the rating needed for each level, then note colors change by what site you browse.
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#12 Dec 09 2006 at 6:33 PM Rating: Decent
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MYteddy wrote:
You could just include the rating needed for each level, then note colors change by what site you browse.


Did you read it? It says:

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Please note, colors will depend on your stylesheet. The above is based off FFXI styles. ~Flix


If needed I will put all the colors on, but this will probably get 2nd paged by tonight anyways. If not Ill add different colors sometime.
#13 Dec 09 2006 at 6:33 PM Rating: Decent
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We need someone to go check on the colors in the SWG forums.

I'm not going though. I hear the place is haunted.
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On a side note, I lost the Game.


Nooo! Now I lost the Game. (/-\)


It might be interesting to note that lots of people prefer to use the karma system to simply rate people down for having the audacity to have a different opinion on some petty matter or other, regardless of whether their posts are truly "Awful" or not. It's a valid use of the rating system, but it probably makes some people reluctant to actually share their honest opinions, so you can sometimes see a lot of people straddling fences in an effort to avoid offending anyone. :)

It's a nice guide! However, I disagree with your ideas on how the karma system should work, so I rated you down.

Just kidding! :p







Edited, Dec 9th 2006 8:37pm by senorcoconut
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All the have is blue users, yellow scholar. same orange admin.

apparently sage doesnt exist.
#16 Dec 09 2006 at 6:35 PM Rating: Good
The One and Only FlixEffect wrote:


�I made some mistakes in my early days, and my KARMA took a bad hit, can I get it back up?
  • In time, yes. Just keep posting, try to be useful, and not offend people, and your Karma will go back up. If you think you unfairly lost it, approach a site Admin.



No, no no! Do what I did/are currently doing. Keep your karma above default, allies can help you with this. Then when it becomes impossible to camp you start posting without a damn thought!
#17 Dec 09 2006 at 6:36 PM Rating: Decent
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senorcoconut wrote:
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I disagree with your ideas on how the karma system should work, so I rated you down.


It's not at all how I think it should work. It's just what I've learned last few days.
#18 Dec 09 2006 at 6:37 PM Rating: Good
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Flix, I'll be damed who i upset with this, but I'm rating you up on this excellent post. I believe this requires a sticky

By God, I hope this stop's all the drama I've seen.

EDIT: just realized, no one will see my post as I'm one of those <300 Sage's that are not allowed. Smiley: banghead

Edited, Dec 9th 2006 9:43pm by Dorsa
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It's not at all how I think it should work. It's just what I've learned last few days.


I was just being flippant. Sorry that I didn't make that clearer. :)


#20 Dec 09 2006 at 6:39 PM Rating: Good
Oh! For those who use the Zam.com stylesheet (Great for those who only use the forums and post everywhere)
Scholar=Blue
Sage=Green
Guru=Red
Admin=Red
#21 Dec 09 2006 at 6:39 PM Rating: Good
This should really be stickied in every major forum. Excellent guide Flix and I'm glad that my actions have resulted in the making of something that has been much needed on this site.

*To any admin who may be lurking, can I please rate Flix Excellent on this guide?*
#22 Dec 09 2006 at 6:41 PM Rating: Good
Flix, I applaud you. This was very well thought out and what I believe is expected of us with the Karma system. As such, I rated you up, and hopefully Dana will honor his statement that this will be stickied. (Guess I should see if husband will give me premium for our anniversary so I can do a smiley of some sort right here..)
#23 Dec 09 2006 at 6:46 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks Smiley: yippee

If they decide to sticky it, Ill get all the color info together and add it in there.
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I've sent in a request to see if this will be sticky'd.

EDIT: with permission, I'd like to throw that into my sig, as I hop around the forums a bit.

Edited, Dec 9th 2006 9:54pm by Dorsa
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fun.

on a side note, you-know-what is happening in this thread as we type.

lol
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The One and Only FlixEffect wrote:
All the have is blue users, yellow scholar. same orange admin.

apparently sage doesnt exist.


I heard they removed Sage in the NGE launch.

You can also choose your title no matter rating you have over there. Wanna be a Guru Master? Go for it! Wanna be a useless Sub-Default Master? Go for it!

Yeah, I really hate what SOE did to that game.
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