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#1 Mar 30 2014 at 3:44 PM Rating: Good
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Well, that's not entirely true. I love working Mental Health, I love the patients, I love feeling like I make a difference, I love seeing someone walk out all smiles that came in suicidally depressed. The management is what I hate. The way our facility is run is so broken, it's unreal. I have been pulling damn near 30hrs of overtime a pay period because management refuses to fire useless people and always need people to cover shifts. They don't give you a choice about working all this overtime, they make you just so they don't have to come in on their days off or when they are off work to cover it. I am getting so fed up. And you might as well forget about a raise. I make just as much now as when I started a year ago and it's not all that much to begin with. Because management is so broken and damn near bi-polar, other employees are afraid to call them when they have a question or need direction on a given situation, so who do they call? Me! Which means, even when I'm off work, I'm not off work.

Take today for instance. I worked a 12hr shift last night after working Mon-Fri night. I get home, get 2hrs of sleep, and get woken up by the phone. The employee was very apologetic but some sh*t was going down and they had tried to get a hold of both of our on-call administrators with no answer. I directed them on what to do and then tried to get a hold of the on-calls myself. Guess what?! They were both at the casino, gambling and had their phones out in the vehicle! Both on-calls this weekend are friends outside of work, to clarify. I have problems sleeping anyway, as mentioned in a previous post, so once I got woken up, I'm up. 3hrs of sleep yesterday, 2 today, and I have to work another 12hr shift tonight with no hope of an alternative day off next week. It's irritating to say the least.

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#2 Mar 30 2014 at 4:45 PM Rating: Good
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I have been pulling damn near 30hrs of overtime a pay period because management refuses to fire useless people and always need people to cover shifts. They don't give you a choice about working all this overtime, they make you just so they don't have to come in on their days off or when they are off work to cover it. I am getting so fed up.


Which is it? They're incredibly assertive and won't let you say no (on pain of firing?) or they won't fire people that don't even do their own shifts?
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#4 Mar 30 2014 at 5:24 PM Rating: Excellent
If you're not on call, you probably need to start keeping your phone off from the sound of it.
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#5 Mar 30 2014 at 7:16 PM Rating: Good
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If you're not on call, you probably need to start keeping your phone off from the sound of it.


^ This. I know a nurse who works the ER. When she is not on call, that cell phone is not on.

On the topic of hating one's job, mines starting to get there after 3.5 years. It really isn't for me. 40hr/week I think isn't for me.

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40hr/week I think isn't for me.


The full time employment isn't for you?
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#7 Mar 30 2014 at 8:45 PM Rating: Good
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40hr/week I think isn't for me.


The full time employment isn't for you?


Yea. I feel as if life is just passing by. I don't think I need to be full timer, or at least not in the line of work I do.
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I've thought about switching to a contract basis once my student loans are paid off and I have a bit of a nest egg built up. That's assuming things don't work out where I am now, but I agree about questioning whether full time all the time is what I really want. I don't even mind pulling the 40 hours a week - it's only having two weeks of vacation time that bothers me. If I went to working on a contract basis, I could work six months in the winter and travel in the summer instead.
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Are we starting a "I @#%^ing hate my job" club? I'm in.

I've been at my job a year now, and it's hit the point where it's giving me panic attacks. So I'm doubling down on the job hunt. I'm hoping to be able to keep working here until I find a new place, but I might need to just give in and do the full time job-hunt thing.

I have enough saved I could subsist for a fair bit of time before I had to dip into credit.
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Sandinmygum the Stupendous wrote:
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If you're not on call, you probably need to start keeping your phone off from the sound of it.
^ This. I know a nurse who works the ER. When she is not on call, that cell phone is not on.
I wish I had that option. Smiley: frown
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If you're not getting paid to be on-call, you're under no obligation to respond to off-hour emergencies.

I know that doesn't help when there are patients and other employees that need help - obligation is hard - specially for the sympathetic martyry types .

Perhaps you could try saying 'no' harder, screen your communications or push for some kind of on-call rotation (with compensation).
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If you're not on call, you probably need to start keeping your phone off from the sound of it.
^ This. I know a nurse who works the ER. When she is not on call, that cell phone is not on.
I wish I had that option. Smiley: frown
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Take today for instance. I worked a 12hr shift last night after working Mon-Fri night. I get home, get 2hrs of sleep, and get woken up by the phone. The employee was very apologetic but some sh*t was going down and they had tried to get a hold of both of our on-call administrators with no answer. I directed them on what to do and then tried to get a hold of the on-calls myself. Guess what?! They were both at the casino, gambling and had their phones out in the vehicle! Both on-calls this weekend are friends outside of work, to clarify. I have problems sleeping anyway, as mentioned in a previous post, so once I got woken up, I'm up. 3hrs of sleep yesterday, 2 today, and I have to work another 12hr shift tonight with no hope of an alternative day off next week. It's irritating to say the least.


Stop letting other people walk over you. I get the whole "dedicated employee" bit, and that'll usually get you positively noticed, so it's not all bad. But you have to couple this with "make sure the people who are slacking get noticed (negatively) too", or you're just doing someone else's job for them.

Someone is on call (doubly so in a health related field) and is in a casino gambling without their phone? How is that not a firing offense? Did you inform management of this? Or did you cover for them because they're your friends? Let me give you a suggestion. If they're doing this sort of thing (to you, because they wouldn't do this if they didn't know you'd do the work for them), they aren't really your friends. They are using you. Stop letting them do that.
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Take today for instance. I worked a 12hr shift last night after working Mon-Fri night. I get home, get 2hrs of sleep, and get woken up by the phone. The employee was very apologetic but some sh*t was going down and they had tried to get a hold of both of our on-call administrators with no answer. I directed them on what to do and then tried to get a hold of the on-calls myself. Guess what?! They were both at the casino, gambling and had their phones out in the vehicle! Both on-calls this weekend are friends outside of work, to clarify. I have problems sleeping anyway, as mentioned in a previous post, so once I got woken up, I'm up. 3hrs of sleep yesterday, 2 today, and I have to work another 12hr shift tonight with no hope of an alternative day off next week. It's irritating to say the least.


Someone is on call (doubly so in a health related field) and is in a casino gambling without their phone? How is that not a firing offense? Did you inform management of this? Or did you cover for them because they're your friends? Let me give you a suggestion. If they're doing this sort of thing (to you, because they wouldn't do this if they didn't know you'd do the work for them), they aren't really your friends. They are using you. Stop letting them do that.


The people that were on-call this weekend are management and when this has happened before, I did inform my boss's supervisor. He said he would talk to her about it. I did that 3-4 more times, and each time, I got the same response and nothing happened so I quit informing home office. It is a completely backwards system, they refuse to fire the useless people but over the past 2yrs that I have worked there, they have fired 4 good employees for complete bullsh*t reasons. I do have a bit of a martyr complex where my job is concerned and that is my fault. I would rather take the off-hour phone calls to limit the stress of my co-workers and to make sure the patients are being taken care of. I work the hours needed so the other people on that shift aren't short handed and stressed because they're having to do double the work. There are two other employees that have been there longer than I have and we all take off-hours phone calls and help the newer employees because they don't get the training necessary to do the job to their fullest potential before they are let loose on a shift.

I'm starting the job hunt. I'm going to try to stay in mental health but look for a different company in my area that provides similar services. I fine-tuned my resume today and am going to start looking tomorrow. Glad I'm not the only one that has the "I hate my job" blues! Good luck to everyone that's also on the job hunt!
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Is this a private health provider, or state run? If the former, I'm finding it hard to believe that the folks father up the chain aren't dealing with this problem, if for no other reason than the fear of massive lawsuit if something bad happens as a result of their on call folks not being available.

If it's public, then maybe an anonymous call to a local TV or news reporter letting them know how managers at <publicly funded whatever> are out gambling when supposed to be on call, wasting taxpayer dollars and putting lives at risk (or whatever, I'm not sure what the details of the place you work at are). Might be a bit drastic though. Maybe a last resort?

Or, just walk away and move on. But if you remotely want to do something about it, talk to the two other folks and tell them that they need to be available when actually on call. Document what's going on as well. Like write down the dates and times that you receive calls because the on call folks aren't available. Talk to those who weren't available and find out what their excuse was. Write it down. Report it higher up the chain (and document what you said, and to whom). Preferably, do this in email if possible.That way, if things ever come to a head, you've got the leverage.

Just complaining about it verbally (or on this forum) may make you feel slightly better, but it's not going to resolve the issue. Bad behavior tends to persist unless someone does something about it. Now, whether it's worth your own time and effort (and potential career effects) trying to do anything about it is up to you. There are ways to go about doing this that are quiet enough that you wont suffer backlash, but with the potential to raise problems sufficient to get the changes you want done. But the key in every case is to document document document. In a "my word against his" situation, the person who can pull out a list of dates, places, times, and events is going to win, every single time.


Not saying to do anything with the information, but having it at least gives you options. Just having a vague "I had to cover for those guys when they were on call" claim will just look like whining if the issue ever comes up.
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#17 Mar 31 2014 at 8:03 PM Rating: Good
Out of the blue, right after I clocked out, owner wanted to talk to me. I figured it was about a small art project I'm working on for them. No instead he asks me if it is ok if he gives me a raise.
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They make it so hard to hate them. It is just the work that sucks Smiley: bah
So looks like I'll be getting paid more to keep on keeping on (I build turbos for diesel trucks, I went to school for art..can you see why I have a dislike of my job?).
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So looks like I'll be getting paid more to keep on keeping on (I build turbos for diesel trucks, I went to school for art..can you see why I have a dislike of my job?).


Hah! Grats on the raise. I'm curious. What did you think you'd be doing with a degree/whatever in art? At least what you're doing is kinda art related (engineering being a blend of art and science after all). Maybe you can get into designing cool auto related stuff. Make them turbos look pretty or something! Dunno, I just know a lot of people who went to art school thinking they'll be designing stuff for the next video game, animating for Disney/Pixar/whatever, or drawing/inking comic books or something and ended out in a job involving a paper hat and fry basket.
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Take today for instance. I worked a 12hr shift last night after working Mon-Fri night. I get home, get 2hrs of sleep, and get woken up by the phone. The employee was very apologetic but some sh*t was going down and they had tried to get a hold of both of our on-call administrators with no answer. I directed them on what to do and then tried to get a hold of the on-calls myself. Guess what?! They were both at the casino, gambling and had their phones out in the vehicle! Both on-calls this weekend are friends outside of work, to clarify. I have problems sleeping anyway, as mentioned in a previous post, so once I got woken up, I'm up. 3hrs of sleep yesterday, 2 today, and I have to work another 12hr shift tonight with no hope of an alternative day off next week. It's irritating to say the least.


Someone is on call (doubly so in a health related field) and is in a casino gambling without their phone? How is that not a firing offense? Did you inform management of this? Or did you cover for them because they're your friends? Let me give you a suggestion. If they're doing this sort of thing (to you, because they wouldn't do this if they didn't know you'd do the work for them), they aren't really your friends. They are using you. Stop letting them do that.


The people that were on-call this weekend are management and when this has happened before, I did inform my boss's supervisor. He said he would talk to her about it. I did that 3-4 more times, and each time, I got the same response and nothing happened so I quit informing home office. It is a completely backwards system, they refuse to fire the useless people but over the past 2yrs that I have worked there, they have fired 4 good employees for complete bullsh*t reasons. I do have a bit of a martyr complex where my job is concerned and that is my fault. I would rather take the off-hour phone calls to limit the stress of my co-workers and to make sure the patients are being taken care of. I work the hours needed so the other people on that shift aren't short handed and stressed because they're having to do double the work. There are two other employees that have been there longer than I have and we all take off-hours phone calls and help the newer employees because they don't get the training necessary to do the job to their fullest potential before they are let loose on a shift.

I'm starting the job hunt. I'm going to try to stay in mental health but look for a different company in my area that provides similar services. I fine-tuned my resume today and am going to start looking tomorrow. Glad I'm not the only one that has the "I hate my job" blues! Good luck to everyone that's also on the job hunt!


If you are providing free unpaid training for new hires for your employer, they have no incentive to retain people, or to hire people to give appropriate coverage.

The system is working as intended.
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#20 Apr 01 2014 at 5:52 AM Rating: Good
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So looks like I'll be getting paid more to keep on keeping on (I build turbos for diesel trucks, I went to school for art..can you see why I have a dislike of my job?).


Hah! Grats on the raise. I'm curious. What did you think you'd be doing with a degree/whatever in art? At least what you're doing is kinda art related (engineering being a blend of art and science after all). Maybe you can get into designing cool auto related stuff. Make them turbos look pretty or something! Dunno, I just know a lot of people who went to art school thinking they'll be designing stuff for the next video game, animating for Disney/Pixar/whatever, or drawing/inking comic books or something and ended out in a job involving a paper hat and fry basket.


When I was younger and before Jr. High I always thought it would be cool to work for Lego. I use to really be big into Lego and did manage to make some neat stuff with what I had.
As I began to get more into drawing,and later painting, I thought it would be neat to be a Tattooist. What better way for people to see your art? I was headed that way when my parents dropped a bomb, basically telling me it wasn't going to happen. I've always found it odd, and it has lead into some heated arguments over the years. So I finished 1 part of schooling and never did the rest or go back to pick a different path (design, teacher, w/e)
I never wanted to be doing "big" projects like Disney/Comics (tho it would be awesome to go to the Kubert School, and/or classes related to Disney style), but designing anything could have been fun.
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I never wanted to be doing "big" projects like Disney/Comics (tho it would be awesome to go to the Kubert School, and/or classes related to Disney style), but designing anything could have been fun.


I'd not let gbaji's twisted pov and disdain for the arts sway you one iota.

My sister was a very successful graphic artist (before she gave it all up to knit) and my daughter is now a successful photographer. I went the physical science route - and while I'm employed, my earning potential with a BS in Geology is pretty much maxed out.
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Take today for instance. I worked a 12hr shift last night after working Mon-Fri night. I get home, get 2hrs of sleep, and get woken up by the phone. The employee was very apologetic but some sh*t was going down and they had tried to get a hold of both of our on-call administrators with no answer. I directed them on what to do and then tried to get a hold of the on-calls myself. Guess what?! They were both at the casino, gambling and had their phones out in the vehicle! Both on-calls this weekend are friends outside of work, to clarify. I have problems sleeping anyway, as mentioned in a previous post, so once I got woken up, I'm up. 3hrs of sleep yesterday, 2 today, and I have to work another 12hr shift tonight with no hope of an alternative day off next week. It's irritating to say the least.


Someone is on call (doubly so in a health related field) and is in a casino gambling without their phone? How is that not a firing offense? Did you inform management of this? Or did you cover for them because they're your friends? Let me give you a suggestion. If they're doing this sort of thing (to you, because they wouldn't do this if they didn't know you'd do the work for them), they aren't really your friends. They are using you. Stop letting them do that.


The people that were on-call this weekend are management and when this has happened before, I did inform my boss's supervisor. He said he would talk to her about it. I did that 3-4 more times, and each time, I got the same response and nothing happened so I quit informing home office. It is a completely backwards system, they refuse to fire the useless people but over the past 2yrs that I have worked there, they have fired 4 good employees for complete bullsh*t reasons. I do have a bit of a martyr complex where my job is concerned and that is my fault. I would rather take the off-hour phone calls to limit the stress of my co-workers and to make sure the patients are being taken care of. I work the hours needed so the other people on that shift aren't short handed and stressed because they're having to do double the work. There are two other employees that have been there longer than I have and we all take off-hours phone calls and help the newer employees because they don't get the training necessary to do the job to their fullest potential before they are let loose on a shift.

I'm starting the job hunt. I'm going to try to stay in mental health but look for a different company in my area that provides similar services. I fine-tuned my resume today and am going to start looking tomorrow. Glad I'm not the only one that has the "I hate my job" blues! Good luck to everyone that's also on the job hunt!


Don't stop informing the office, and make sure you keep a record of the complaints. Log them down.

Then you just stop stepping up. They're the admins, which means it's their ass on the line here. You're essentially covering for them each time you agree to come in. Though I'm sure the office doesn't love paying you the overtime... if they are?

If you get yelled at (or they try to fire you) for failing to do something that's not in your job, you use your record of complaints to fight that. You have a contract, and that's a mutual agreement between you and them. Unless you're on call for those periods, you're not on call for those periods. That's just how it works.

Definitely keep job hunting, but you don't want to just take it in the meantime.
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(tho it would be awesome to go to the Kubert School, and/or classes related to Disney style)
I've actually considered going to the Kubert School after retiring, though I don't think much would come out of it as far as an actual career.
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I drew him, the pirate, and the dog.
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I never wanted to be doing "big" projects like Disney/Comics (tho it would be awesome to go to the Kubert School, and/or classes related to Disney style), but designing anything could have been fun.


I'd not let gbaji's twisted pov and disdain for the arts sway you one iota.


Hey, no disdain at all here. I'm just saying to be realistic. I've just known too many people who thought art was "easy" and you'd get a certification or degree and immediately get hired doing something super cool. I suspect that some of this comes from the perception in high school of art as a throwaway or easy A class. Which, sadly, is still perpetuated today by school administrators who think art class is where they should just dump all the discipline and learning disabled kids. Cause... Art is easy and unimportant, right?

The reality is that if you actually want to do something art related, you're going to have to treat it seriously, actually spend the time and work on your trade, and have a lot of patience. I did not intend my comment to appear as disdain for the field. Quite the opposite, in fact.
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I never wanted to be doing "big" projects like Disney/Comics (tho it would be awesome to go to the Kubert School, and/or classes related to Disney style), but designing anything could have been fun.


I'd not let gbaji's twisted pov and disdain for the arts sway you one iota.


Hey, no disdain at all here. I'm just saying to be realistic. I've just known too many people who thought art was "easy" and you'd get a certification or degree and immediately get hired doing something super cool. I suspect that some of this comes from the perception in high school of art as a throwaway or easy A class. Which, sadly, is still perpetuated today by school administrators who think art class is where they should just dump all the discipline and learning disabled kids. Cause... Art is easy and unimportant, right?

The reality is that if you actually want to do something art related, you're going to have to treat it seriously, actually spend the time and work on your trade, and have a lot of patience. I did not intend my comment to appear as disdain for the field. Quite the opposite, in fact.


This all very true. Art has just been that "easy" thing for me. I get along with Math, but did not see a career in Math. I have 0 want of being a teacher.
When I was in college, a majority of them wanted to be just that, Art teachers. I never understood why.
I went to a small high school and all my art classes were 98% people who needed the cred for graduation/Seniors who figured it was an easy A. Only a few kids actually any type of skill, but the thing is, is the teacher could never give us 1 on 1 and possibly help hone skills because the others who thought they could come in, sleep, and still get an A didn't drop the class and instead needed help every moment of every class.
You can teach Art History, but art at it's core is something you practice over and over. I can't teach someone how to draw, you either get it or don't imo :3

I even made an attempt to get into an Art school. Unless they were giving me a free ride, my Father basically told me to @#%^ off and it was not happening because "it will lead to nothing, go learn a trade..." because you know...everything around you was not designed to look nice by someone. Them someones all have degrees in math btw >.>
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Why not save up as much money as you can, practice your skills for art and/or design and apply to an art or design school next year?
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Maybe not next year, but I'm saving. I would like to go back to school. The one thing I wish I had, somehow, manged to fit into the schooling I did was design programs. I have no idea how to use Photoshop, Illiterater, etc (well I can use Paint lol).
I've not given up on getting a job I would hopefully enjoy more, but until then I'm in one that can be a real pain each day.
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Photoshop and such are pretty simple to use, there's about a billion different guides and how-to's for them as well (Ctrl-Paint is a good site for painting in Photoshop).
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Maybe not next year, but I'm saving. I would like to go back to school. The one thing I wish I had, somehow, manged to fit into the schooling I did was design programs. I have no idea how to use Photoshop, Illiterater, etc (well I can use Paint lol).
I've not given up on getting a job I would hopefully enjoy more, but until then I'm in one that can be a real pain each day.


Depending on where you live, there are often a number of adult-ed/ROP courses you can take that'll help fill in those gaps. They're usually not terribly expensive either.
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I did not intend my comment to appear as disdain for the field. Quite the opposite, in fact.

But it does. No offense but let me offend you.

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I think because it's harder to monetize than say a STEM degree. Art, music, all require a lot of grinding and hard work to get minimal compensation when you start.
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I think because it's harder to monetize than say a STEM degree. Art, music, all require a lot of grinding and hard work to get minimal compensation when you start.


Correct. There's a reason why the phrase "starving artist" exists, but not so much "starving engineer". Fair or not, it's going to be a harder struggle for an artist starting out to get that first jump into a career related job. And there's usually a longer period of time spent doing things that aren't related to the desired field (which was the exact case I originally responded to).
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Part of the whole starving artist thing is that artists, photographers and designers get ridiculously little respect in most places, people thinking they could just do it themselves (especially photography and design) and clients from hell is filled with stories about people thinking freelance means free of charge or the ever insulting "but it will look good in your portfolio" bullsh*t. It's pretty obvious why you can't do what an engineer or mechanic or whatever does so people accept that it costs money but with art and design it's less obvious.
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people thinking they could just do it themselves (especially photography and design) .


This actually got dropped on me at work the other day. I am designing a T-Shirt for an even my place of employment is sponsoring. In the end my boss just told me I had free reign over the project "because if I tell you what I want, then why don't I just do it? I can't draw or anything..but still... hahah, right?"

So I've stopped taking in ideas each morning, and will turn a few things in Monday. They either will like it, or hopefully they have a plan B.
Because the drawing is worked on during my free time (evenings) and I don't even know if I'm getting paid (f they use it).

And as to the practice all the time, yea, all the time. I can't really practice at my job, you either can do the work or you might need to start looking for employment else were. With drawing/painting the more I do the better it looks. The more styles I study and try, the better my skill, to use to be "unique" and hopefully catch the attention of the right people who want "more of that."

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And there's usually a longer period of time spent doing things that aren't related to the desired field (which was the exact case I originally responded to).


Truth this as well. While attending my 1st year of college and went with my cousin when he got a leg sleeve done to memorialize his father. In conversation with the owner/tattooist I told him that this would be a neat job. He flat told me "Drop out of school, bring my 5k$. You start at the bottom (cleaning, learning how to take care of equipment, etc etc). You work your way up. They are not going to teach you what you need to know, and it is very hard to start off on your own. I know, I did it, it was not a smart move but my art is my backup."
IF I had 5k$ to my name when I was 18, I really think I would have said "deal." He is still a well known tattooist in his area, and does paintings and designs to help when people are coming in to get inked.

This can also be said about where I'm at today. Enough people see my work, maybe the right person comes along and offers a job. Sadly I do not get to practice it enough, so skill teeters on mood and how I feel about the project.
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
people thinking they could just do it themselves (especially photography and design) .


This actually got dropped on me at work the other day. I am designing a T-Shirt for an even my place of employment is sponsoring. In the end my boss just told me I had free reign over the project "because if I tell you what I want, then why don't I just do it? I can't draw or anything..but still... hahah, right?"

So I've stopped taking in ideas each morning, and will turn a few things in Monday. They either will like it, or hopefully they have a plan B.
Because the drawing is worked on during my free time (evenings) and I don't even know if I'm getting paid (f they use it).
Your "free reign" translates to come up with exactly what he wants to see and free or not you'll be treated as if he's doing you a favor with this. It'll end with him doing a really, really bad job himself and then showing it to you expecting you to be all impressed.



Or maybe he'll love what you've done, it's good to be prepared for the worst anyway.

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When I was in college, a majority of them wanted to be just that, Art teachers. I never understood why.
Because they're not quite jaded yet and think that they'll be the teacher that breaks that mold, that finds those few kids with talent who needs guidance and provide that guidance to them.
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Are we starting a "I @#%^ing hate my job" club? I'm in.
I'm in, too.

I work three part-time jobs, about 62 hours a week total (one job is only one day a week, so I guess it's mostly two part-time jobs). I've been looking and applying places looking for something full-time, but my resume is pretty garbage. Every job I've had is a flavor of retail, and I dropped out of college.

Oh well, at least I have Obamacare now, right? But seriously, maybe getting treatment for depression and going back on some ADD meds will help me break out of this funk. I'd like to go back to school, but it's been so long that it's not like I could just jump back into my former major (electrical engineering). Regis University has an accredited online computer science degree, so I've been thinking about that but it's hella expensive. I could transfer most of my credits, though, cutting out at least 2, if not 3 years.

Anyway, one of my jobs is at a liquor store, and my boss is a pain in the ass. He's the kind of boss who always finds the one thing that you missed to harp on you about, and there is never any positive reinforcement. I know, I know it's a sh*tty retail wageslave job, what do you expect? But, I don't slack, I'm always doing something, I'm courteous to the customers. You really don't need to lecture me about how on Thursday night, I apparently failed to change the water in the mop bucket, and when he opened on Friday, he was alone for an hour. What if a customer broke a bottle? The mop water wasn't fresh and it could take "upwards of a half hour" to clean it up. Now sure, I'll admit that even though I had no need for the mop bucket on Thursday, I maybe should have taken a look at some point during my shift, but all that needs to be said is "hey, you missed the mop bucket last night" and I'd say "OK, sorry" and make sure to do it next time. I don't need to hear about it for 10 minutes while I could be doing something productive instead.

He also runs the store very poorly. Employees ring on whatever register they are closest to at the time, instead of being assigned a register, and tills are not counted down at a shift change. There are no cash pulls at all during a business day, so by the end of the night there can be several thousand dollars in cash in each register, plain for anyone to see. There's no drop safe. Nightly deposits and change for the registers are kept in an (unlockable) file cabinet, in an "office" right near the front door. Oh, and there's conveniently no camera coverage there. He shuts the cameras and DVR off at night because "that's what the alarm is for".
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There are no cash pulls at all during a business day, so by the end of the night there can be several thousand dollars in cash in each register, plain for anyone to see. There's no drop safe. Nightly deposits and change for the registers are kept in an (unlockable) file cabinet, in an "office" right near the front door. Oh, and there's conveniently no camera coverage there. He shuts the cameras and DVR off at night because "that's what the alarm is for".
And what was the address? You know, out of curiosity.
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So in other words if I want free money and booze you know a place where that could happen?
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I'd like to go back to school, but it's been so long that it's not like I could just jump back into my former major (electrical engineering).

You don't think so?

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I do.

Don't misunderstand my comments above as having anything to do with the topic of this thread (job hate), because it sounds like you have a real winner there for a boss. Also, when have I ever posted a comment that had anything to do with the topic of the thread?

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I'd like to go back to school, but it's been so long that it's not like I could just jump back into my former major (electrical engineering).
You don't think so?
Oh, I'm sure that I could complete an EE degree, given the chance to start the program over from the beginning, but at this point it's been over 7 years since I last had to use any kind of advanced mathematics or other stuff I learned in school, so I'd be hard-pressed to just jump into junior- and senior-level engineering courses and be able to pass them. I'd have to retake or at least audit a ton of classes I've already taken in order to get back on track. I'm not saying it's not doable, but at this point there are other paths, of less resistance, that I could take.
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I think all tech courses expire after 7 years as well, so likely you'd have to more or less start from scratch.
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Huh. I might have actually gotten a decent job lead today from one of the liquor store regulars. That's one way to make a 14-hour day slightly less ass.
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There are no cash pulls at all during a business day, so by the end of the night there can be several thousand dollars in cash in each register, plain for anyone to see. There's no drop safe. Nightly deposits and change for the registers are kept in an (unlockable) file cabinet, in an "office" right near the front door. Oh, and there's conveniently no camera coverage there. He shuts the cameras and DVR off at night because "that's what the alarm is for".
And what was the address? You know, out of curiosity.


Yeah. Same thought. This is a "bad sign"(tm). Usually, if an owner is doing this kind of thing, it's because he's skimming his own profits (and yes, there are reasons to do this). Does this business have high turnover, by any chance? Long lists of newish employees getting accused of stealing from the till and being let go?
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No, the employees all (myself and the older part-time guy excluded) drink at the store on nights when the owner isn't there, though. There isn't much turnover, though. They own two stores, and their other store gets most of its stock through the store I work at. From what one of the other guys told me, they don't use a computerized inventory system at the other store, and all sales there are done via a register where you just punch in prices. There's no paper trail for transfers of product between the stores. There's one employee who works around 55 hours a week. The 15 over 40 he works, he gets paid his regular hourly in cash for. The guys who work on Sundays just get regular pay, when liquor stores aren't exempt from time and a half. There's obviously some sketchy sh*t going down, but there's not much I can do but keep my head down, at least until I find something else.

The store I work in has a computerized inventory system, but it's not really used aside from entering products in the system so that you can scan items and ring out sales. There's no quantity information. Physical inventory counting was done by an outside service, by which they count the dollar value of product you have on hand. There was a lot of stock missing and while my co-workers do drink on the job, I doubt they account for all of it. Further, there are issues with physical inventory counting that aren't taken into account. We make six-packs of beer by breaking open a 30-pack and ringing sixes out of them. Six-packs obviously sell at a higher dollar-per-unit amount than the 30-packs, but there's no real accounting for this in the inventory. So when they count the inventory, if I made six-packs out of a 30-pack, and they sell for $6 each, they will be counting a broken-down pack as $30 of beer, whereas if I didn't make any, it'd only get counted as $20. So when I'm told there was $6000 missing in beer, this comes to mind as part of the issue. I'm sure the transferring of product to the other store would account for some of that amount, as well.

I'm pretty sure there's some stuff regarding whose names the stores are in, too. I know one of the stores is in their name, but I think the other store is in the name of a family member who isn't actually involved in the business. I think you're only allowed to own one liquor store per designated area, but I'm not sure on that, so this might just be a way for them to get around that.

Anyway, back to moving boxes around.
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