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#1 Feb 14 2014 at 12:10 PM Rating: Good
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So, yeah, apparently the world hates us now. And we're about to put down one more.

Excerpts from CNN.com comment section:

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Why didn't they neuter the giraffe? I know, the sadists that killed him wouldn't have been able to satisfy their blood lust.
The inbreeding that should be limited is the zoo staff. I have an idea: gather up the children of the zoo staff and fix them so they cant inbreed with other Danes and produce more of their disgusting ilk.
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Bengt Holst is the Zoo director, and he is old enough to have been a war criminal in ww2. My gut tells me that he is a wanted War Criminal. I think I will report him to the proper authorities who still hunt down WW2 **** war criminals.


Their tears are precious.

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#2 Feb 14 2014 at 12:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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I like how you guys made the kids watch.
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#3 Feb 14 2014 at 12:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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I like how you guys made the kids watch.
This. I'm sure it was educational.

Also, pro-tip: don't be a giraffe.
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My cursory understanding is that the giraffe in question wasn't genetically divergent enough to be a good breeding partner, he was expensive to keep around, finding him a new home would have been difficult due to various regulations and giraffes are categorized as "least concern" in terms of endangerment in the wild. So, aside from the "kids watched him get turned into lion steaks" angle, his death shouldn't be any real big deal. Putting him down opened a slot for a good breeding male to make the overall captive population healthier.
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#5 Feb 14 2014 at 1:56 PM Rating: Good
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People are dumb.

The captive giraffe population is, according to those in the know, better off without it. I'm sure a millionaire or two would agree to make it a pet, but it's not going to contribute to a healthy herd or anything.

I listened to one of the zoo-dudes talking. It sounded like the breed lines are monitored across all major zoos/wildlife parks world wide. I suppose killing the giraffe guarantees it won't breed defectively or something.

Also, I bet giraffe meat is good.
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When there were like 15 other wildlife facilities going "Hey, we'll take him and pay for shipping" at least 2 of which qualified for international breeding program and housing standards, that argument falls kind of short. I think they just wanted a giraffe barbeque, and who wouldn't want a giraffe steak or two really?
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#7 Feb 14 2014 at 2:07 PM Rating: Good
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
When there were like 15 other wildlife facilities going "Hey, we'll take him and pay for shipping" at least 2 of which qualified for international breeding program and housing standards, that argument falls kind of short. I think they just wanted a giraffe barbeque, and who wouldn't want a giraffe steak or two really?

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"Our giraffes are part of an international breeding program, which has a purpose of ensuring a sound and healthy population of giraffes," Bengt Holst, scientific director at Copenhagen Zoo, told CNN. "It can only be done by matching the genetic composition of the various animals with the available space. ... When giraffes breed as well as they do now, then you will inevitably run into so-called surplus problems now and then."

CNN anchor Jonathan Mann asked Holst if it would have been possible to sterilize Marius or move him to another zoo to avoid killing him.

"If we just sterilize him, he will take up space for more genetically valuable giraffes," Holst answered.
Presumably if these 15 places have room for a giraffe there is a breedable one available.

Seems stupid to not just have just slipped Marius out in the dark of the night and ground him up for lions meat all quietly like.
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#8 Feb 14 2014 at 2:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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Should have turned him loose in the lion's pen and let nature do what it does. Would have been a lot more educational for the kids that way.
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#9 Feb 14 2014 at 2:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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Should have turned him loose in the lion's pen and let nature do what it does. Would have been a lot more educational for the kids that way.

Either way, my roommate really wants to buy the giraffe snuff video.
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
When there were like 15 other wildlife facilities going "Hey, we'll take him and pay for shipping" at least 2 of which qualified for international breeding program and housing standards, that argument falls kind of short. I think they just wanted a giraffe barbeque, and who wouldn't want a giraffe steak or two really?


They weren't going to send him to a facility outside the EAZA, because they'd have no control over his well-being. Sure, the zoo who'd take him in might be following international standards, but what if they had eventually passed him on to a third zoo and so on?

It was a matter of guaranteeing his well-being once he left the zoo's care, and they couldn't, so they chose to euthanize him. Marius is in giraffe heaven, and he saved some livestock from the gallows in the process. Lions were probably happy as well. Bacon is good, but giraffe steak? **** yes.

Edit: The giraffe mentioned in the second link is apparently not going to be euthanized. It was a rumor that spread due to the giraffe sharing name with the other giraffe.

Edited, Feb 14th 2014 10:46pm by Mazra
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In this case though, I don't think their concern is so much motivated by stupidity but the fear that comes from the vague flash of realization that in the kind of socialist utopias they idolize, they become very much like the giraffes. It's self preservation by proxy.
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gbaji wrote:
Elinda wrote:
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In this case though, I don't think their concern is so much motivated by stupidity but the fear that comes from the vague flash of realization that in the kind of socialist utopias they idolize, they become very much like the giraffes. It's self preservation by proxy.

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Mazra wrote:
Marius is in giraffe heaven, and he saved some livestock from the gallows in the process.

Should have been named Enjolras.
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#14 Feb 16 2014 at 11:43 AM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
Elinda wrote:
People are dumb.


In this case though, I don't think their concern is so much motivated by stupidity but the fear that comes from the vague flash of realization that in the kind of socialist utopias they idolize, they become very much like the giraffes. It's self preservation by proxy.


Are you saying we euthanize each other to prevent overpopulation and inbreeding? Smiley: dubious
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Mazra wrote:
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In this case though, I don't think their concern is so much motivated by stupidity but the fear that comes from the vague flash of realization that in the kind of socialist utopias they idolize, they become very much like the giraffes. It's self preservation by proxy.


Are you saying we euthanize each other to prevent overpopulation and inbreeding? Smiley: dubious


We do in a socialist Utopia, like the one Obama wants to make the great America we knew into.
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Crazy bastards.
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Mazra wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Elinda wrote:
People are dumb.


In this case though, I don't think their concern is so much motivated by stupidity but the fear that comes from the vague flash of realization that in the kind of socialist utopias they idolize, they become very much like the giraffes. It's self preservation by proxy.


Are you saying we euthanize each other to prevent overpopulation and inbreeding? Smiley: dubious


I'm saying that socialism and eugenics (and euthanasia) tend to walk hand in hand. When you shift the focus of a society from individual rights to group outcomes and make the government responsible for maximizing those outcomes, the idea that the government might accomplish this best by eliminating those most costly and least productive isn't a giant leap to make. It's not like it hasn't happened before.

I mean when folks say stuff like this:

George Bernard Shaw wrote:
You must all know half a dozen people at least who are no use in this world, who are more trouble than they are worth. Just put them there and say Sir, or Madam, now will you be kind enough to justify your existence? If you can't justify your existence, if you're not pulling your weight in the social boat, if you're not producing as much as you consume or perhaps a little more, then, clearly, we cannot use the organizations of our society for the purpose of keeping you alive, because your life does not benefit us and it can't be of very much use to yourself.


Many have argued that Shaw was just joking, or presenting a reductio ad absurdum argument. But then we'd have to assume he was also joking when he suggested making death chambers for the unfit and the need to develop a gas which could accomplish this quickly and efficiently back in 1910 or so. And maybe he was just joking around. But some people didn't think this idea was a joke, did they?

And hey. We'd have to also discount his support for Stalin's actions in the USSR in 1933:

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But the most elaborate code of this sort would still have left unspecified a hundred ways in which wreckers of Communism could have sidetracked it without ever having to face the essential questions: are you pulling your weight in the social boat? are you giving more trouble than you are worth? have you earned the privilege of living in a civilized community? That is why the Russians were forced to set up an Inquisition or Star Chamber, called at first the Cheka and now the *** Pay Oo (Ogpu), to go into these questions and "liquidate" persons who could not answer them satisfactorily.


So maybe not joking around. And while he was perhaps the most outspoken and publicly recorded socialist of his day, he was then just parroting the common thoughts of the day within those august intellectuals, who were all sure they knew better than everyone else how a society should be run. Great ideas, right?


Modern socialists insist that these things aren't part of their brand of socialism. They go to great lengths to distance themselves from these kinds of ideas, and especially anyone who actually carried them out. The horrors of the holocaust were so completely reviled that no one could continue to publicly associate any political movement with those ideas anymore. But they're still linked. What makes socialist theory "work" is the necessity of the state to somehow force people to be productive. You must replace the free market incentive of personal economic growth with something else.


I don't think it's hard for folks who live in socialist countries to recognize that they are more or less subject to the whim of the government for their livelihood. And that's remarkably like an animal in the zoo, isn't it?
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gbaji wrote:
The horrors of the holocaust were so completely reviled that no one could continue to publicly associate any political movement with those ideas anymore. But they're still linked. What makes socialist theory "work" is the necessity of the state to somehow force people to be productive. You must replace the free market incentive of personal economic growth with something else.

I don't think it's hard for folks who live in socialist countries to recognize that they are more or less subject to the whim of the government for their livelihood. And that's remarkably like an animal in the zoo, isn't it?

I know your completely retarded when in comes to history, but, once again. DESPITE THE NAME (NATIONAL SOCIALIST GERMAN WORKERS PARTY), THE **** WERE NEITHER SOCIALIST NOR A PARTY FOR THE WORKERS.

I bet you think the US Army slaughtered the SS at Malmedey, too.

You ****.

Edited, Feb 19th 2014 9:37pm by Bijou
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I know your completely retarded when in comes to history, but, once again. DESPITE THE NAME (NATIONAL SOCIALIST GERMAN WORKERS PARTY), THE **** WERE NEITHER SOCIALIST NOR A PARTY FOR THE WORKERS.

Before you even get started on this, remember that the guy you're engaging with just spent umpteen pages insisting that a soda commercial was an evil socialist plot to destroy America by disintegrating its culture and forcing us all into enclaves, unable to communicate with our neighbors.

Then ask yourself if you think you're really going to have a fruitful discussion here.
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Ahh; I'd get equally ****** if he insisted that the moon was made of cheese, too.

I just really @#%^ing hate it when people propagate lies as the truth. (WW II in particular, as that's my balliwick, so to speak).

Edited, Feb 19th 2014 9:40pm by Bijou
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I craned my neck to watch it on the news. That shows that while he may have become delicious steak, he's with us in spirit.
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gbaji wrote:
Mazra wrote:
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In this case though, I don't think their concern is so much motivated by stupidity but the fear that comes from the vague flash of realization that in the kind of socialist utopias they idolize, they become very much like the giraffes. It's self preservation by proxy.


Are you saying we euthanize each other to prevent overpopulation and inbreeding? Smiley: dubious


I'm saying that socialism and eugenics (and euthanasia) tend to walk hand in hand. When you shift the focus of a society from individual rights to group outcomes and make the government responsible for maximizing those outcomes, the idea that the government might accomplish this best by eliminating those most costly and least productive isn't a giant leap to make. It's not like it hasn't happened before.


Huh, we sure hit the Godwin stage real fast.

But, yeah, we should have sold the giraffe...



Edited, Feb 20th 2014 11:35am by Mazra
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I don't think it's hard for folks who live in socialist countries to recognize that they are more or less subject to the whim of the government for their livelihood. And that's remarkably like an animal in the zoo, isn't it?

Trolls are worthless and shouldn't take up valuable resources that others could put to better use.

Get a grip boy.
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I would have paid good money to have *** with that giraffe.
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