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#152 Feb 13 2014 at 9:41 AM Rating: Good
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Nadenu wrote:
This looks like as good a place as any to mention I bought a two liter Coke yesterday.
American's drink soda in ounces quarts or gallons.

Just sayin'.
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#153 Feb 13 2014 at 10:05 AM Rating: Good
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I had some diet pepsi last week...

I didn't purchase it.
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#154 Feb 13 2014 at 10:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, see, the rational person heard that and thought, "Another sh*tty commercial? When do we get to go back to watching Peyton Manning get the tar beat out of him?"
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Also store brand soda FTW.

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#155 Feb 13 2014 at 11:36 AM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
Nadenu wrote:
This looks like as good a place as any to mention I bought a two liter Coke yesterday.
American's drink soda in ounces quarts or gallons.

Just sayin'.


Do we really? I think soda might be the only exception in this case. I've never seen it sold in gallons or quarts, but frequently in 1 or 2 liters-- and now I'm wondering why, exactly.
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#156 Feb 13 2014 at 12:20 PM Rating: Good
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I think the only non- metric soft drink bottle volume sold in the US these days are 20 ounce bottles and even those are being phased out in favor of "16.9" ounces bottles from what I've seen. which are 500 mL. I think I noticed a smaller can instead of the 12 ounce one. Closer to 8 ounces, I am guessing they are going for the 250 mL.
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#157 Feb 13 2014 at 12:21 PM Rating: Good
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Cheaper labeling?
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It occurs to me that the different languages did hold a purpose. A wonderfully capitalistic one -- when you hear something unusual, it draws your attention. Someone looking down at their phone or tablet would look up to see what was going on upon hearing Japanese or Hindi or whatever. You're also more inclined to continue watching to see what other languages will come up which is probably more "sticky" than just putting people in different costumes or backdrops.

But, of course, Coke planning a commercial around capturing views rather than around a secret liberal agenda of culture destruction is just crazy-talk.
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#159 Feb 13 2014 at 12:46 PM Rating: Good
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Huh, apparently they tossed a native american language in there.
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They're the worst. They were here for like, thousands of years and they never learned English! Smiley: mad
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I just find it strange that we can all agree that it's good for immigrants to learn English, but then disagree on the message sent by this commercial.

That's because the rest of us realize that this commercial holds zero sway or influence over who will or won't learn English...


That's not the point. It *will* influence how people view the idea of America: As a melting pot of many cultures, or a "tossed salad" (the "all the world in one country" approach). The point of the commercial is to get people (like say many on this thread) to associate a position that English should be the common language of the US with racism, bigotry, and xenophobia.

Which is precisely what it did, given the absurd responses in this thread. When people defend the ad by saying things like "Only people who are scared of brown skinned people were upset", they are exhibiting precisely the mentality they're trying to create. So, at the risk of repeating myself, good job being used people. Useful idiots.

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A commercial that uses different languages as an easy tell for "being from different cultures" won't have any effect on that at all.


It doesn't though. The easy tell is the images of the people. The point of using different languages is to attack the idea of English as a common language in the US.

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No one else here sees the scary shadow messages you do in the commercial and that's why we disagree.


They don't see it because they are doing exactly the scary thing we conservatives are upset about. Get it?
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#162 Feb 13 2014 at 4:58 PM Rating: Good
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someproteinguy wrote:
They're the worst. They were here for like, thousands of years and they never learned English! Smiley: mad


**** Indians didn't know they were on the wrong continent.

So silly.
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gbaji wrote:
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I just find it strange that we can all agree that it's good for immigrants to learn English, but then disagree on the message sent by this commercial.

That's because the rest of us realize that this commercial holds zero sway or influence over who will or won't learn English...


That's not the point. It *will* influence how people view the idea of America:

You realize this commercial was shown in America. To Americans. And most of us already know what it's like in here.
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gbaji wrote:
That's not the point. It *will* influence how people view the idea of America

Nah, not really.

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Which is precisely what it did, given the absurd responses in this thread.

People are making fun of you for being hysterical.

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It doesn't though. The easy tell is the images of the people.

And the languages. They can use more than one sense, you know. As noted later, different languages grab your attention when you're not looking at the TV and seeing the different people.

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They don't see it because they are doing exactly the scary thing we conservatives are upset about. Get it?

That's... kind of scary that you'd use that logic. I mean, it's already kind of disturbing that you're convinced that a soda commercial is some conspiracy but you're really backing it up with "See, no one sees it because it's so insidious that no one can see it"? You realize that's like Chapter One of the Kooks Handbook, right?
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Jophiel wrote:
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Which is precisely what it did, given the absurd responses in this thread.

People are making fun of you for being hysterical.
This.

A conspiracy theory isn't a rational response to a soda commercial.
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#166 Feb 13 2014 at 6:45 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
They don't see it because they are doing exactly the scary thing we conservatives are upset about.
Maybe "you conservatives" should stop looking under every grain of sand for things to be upset over.
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They don't see it because they are doing exactly the scary thing we conservatives are upset about.
Maybe "you conservatives" should stop looking under every grain of sand for things to be upset over.


But looking under every grain of sand for things to be upset over and having no sense of humor whatsoever is what conservatives do! It's like asking a fish not to swim.
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someproteinguy wrote:
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Which is precisely what it did, given the absurd responses in this thread.

People are making fun of you for being hysterical.
This.

A conspiracy theory isn't a rational response to a soda commercial.
It's all orchestrated by the lizard people illuminati anyway.
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someproteinguy wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Which is precisely what it did, given the absurd responses in this thread.

People are making fun of you for being hysterical.
This.

A conspiracy theory isn't a rational response to a soda commercial.
It's all orchestrated by the lizard people illuminati Crab People anyway.

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#170 Feb 14 2014 at 8:20 AM Rating: Good
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someproteinguy wrote:
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Which is precisely what it did, given the absurd responses in this thread.
People are making fun of you for being hysterical.
This. A conspiracy theory isn't a rational response to a soda commercial.
It's all orchestrated by the lizard people illuminati Crab People Pod People anyway.
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#171 Feb 14 2014 at 8:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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Nadenu wrote:
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I just find it strange that we can all agree that it's good for immigrants to learn English, but then disagree on the message sent by this commercial.

That's because the rest of us realize that this commercial holds zero sway or influence over who will or won't learn English...


That's not the point. It *will* influence how people view the idea of America:

You realize this commercial was shown in America. To Americans. And most of us already know what it's like in here.


Uh. Yes. The whole point of the ad is to change American's perception of what it means to be American. Specifically to get them to adopt the "all the world in one country" approach to immigration and reject the "melting pot of cultures" approach.

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That's not the point. It *will* influence how people view the idea of America

Nah, not really.


And yet, the nearly unanimous knee jerk reaction to anyone saying that the song should have been sung in English was to call those people racists and xenophobes, wasn't it? What is that if not influencing how people view the idea of America? It was so successful on most of you that even when it's pointed out to you, you refuse to admit it.

Why do you think that the belief that the commercial would have better reflected the image of America if all the people had sung the song in English is a racist or xenophobic one? I mean, you've already acknowledged that it's a good thing for immigrants to the US to learn English. And I'm assuming you agree that if everyone sings in English, then they can all understand each other. So why the opposition to this idea?


It's interesting to me to see the nearly Pavlovian reaction from the left. The vague associations between anything that kinda feels like rejecting another culture and assumptions of racism are super strong among you guys. Did it occur to any of you that it's not about white vs brown? It's not about "current English only speaker in the US versus new other-language-speaking immigrant"? I'm betting most of you never considered that the kid singing Tagalog probably can't understand the person singing in Korean, nor can that person likely understand the person singing in Hebrew, who can't understand the person singing in French, who can't understand the person singing in Cantonese, etc, etc, etc.

The need to adopt and use a common language is as much about ensuring that new immigrants have a way to communicate with each other as it does with ensuring that they can communicate with existing citizens. It's about bringing us all together, not keeping us apart. Yet so many of you had the opposite reaction, and I suspect you aren't even sure why. If you stop and actually think about what those who questioned the commercial were saying and why they were saying it, they make complete sense and their reasons are not bigoted at all.

But the commercial looks pretty. And it's got people from different cultural backgrounds. So it feels wrong to criticize it in any way. And feelings are more important than reason in a case like this I guess.
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Uh. Yes. The whole point of the ad is to change American's perception of what it means to be American. Specifically to get them to adopt the "all the world in one country" approach to immigration and reject the "melting pot of cultures" approach.
The whole point of the ad is to sell Coca Cola, not some intricate plot to bring down America. What it shows is simply that everyone loves America and Coca Cola, that's pretty much it. You may think it did a poor job of that but if you honestly think this is some kind of plot to change America you're delusional.
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I never considered that the person singing in French couldn't understand the person singing in Hindi or whatever because they're all professional paid actors who presumably spoke English when Coca-Cola's ad agency hired them. And because the idea was that the language was reflective of their native culture and in no way indicated that they were incapable of understanding English. Why the immediate jump from "Person speaks Czech" to "Person must not know English", Gbaji?

But, yeah, it's everyone else having a Pavlovian, knee-jerk reaction to seeing someone sing in Farsi. That must be it.
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gbaji wrote:
Nadenu wrote:
gbaji wrote:
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I just find it strange that we can all agree that it's good for immigrants to learn English, but then disagree on the message sent by this commercial.

That's because the rest of us realize that this commercial holds zero sway or influence over who will or won't learn English...


That's not the point. It *will* influence how people view the idea of America:

You realize this commercial was shown in America. To Americans. And most of us already know what it's like in here.


Uh. Yes. The whole point of the ad is to change American's perception of what it means to be American.

No, the whole point of the ad was to get people talking about the ad and about Coke. It worked.
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It's interesting to me to see the nearly Pavlovian reaction from the left.
Your conditioned response, on the other hand, is downright mundane and textbook.
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Uh. Yes. The whole point of the ad is to change American's perception of what it means to be American. Specifically to get them to adopt the "all the world in one country" approach to immigration and reject the "melting pot of cultures" approach.
The whole point of the ad is to sell Coca Cola, not some intricate plot to bring down America. What it shows is simply that everyone loves America and Coca Cola, that's pretty much it. You may think it did a poor job of that but if you honestly think this is some kind of plot to change America you're delusional.
You'll have to forgive him, some people can't fathom that moral values just naturally change over time. It has to be a conspiracy. Smiley: tinfoilhat
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Gbaji wrote:
Uh. Yes. The whole point of the ad is to change American's perception of what it means to be American. Specifically to get them to adopt the "all the world in one country" approach to immigration and reject the "melting pot of cultures" approach.
The whole point of the ad is to sell Coca Cola, not some intricate plot to bring down America. What it shows is simply that everyone loves America and Coca Cola, that's pretty much it. You may think it did a poor job of that but if you honestly think this is some kind of plot to change America you're delusional.
You'll have to forgive him, some people can't fathom that moral values just naturally change over time. It has to be a conspiracy. Smiley: tinfoilhat

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