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#102 Feb 06 2014 at 1:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yup. And they learned English and/or made sure their children did. So today, you aren't stuck living in an immigrant enclave within your own country. The multicultural movement encourages the opposite. That's what people are complaining about.


You're right. Subsequent generations were taught English. I learned English. I also became willfully educated, and I am not threatened by a coke commercial that has people singing in different languages. ****, they could have done the commercial in Klingon, Elvish, and Anne Hecht's secret language with God and I would have had about the same reaction. What is the big deal?

English, when viewed over the course of human history, is relatively new and nothing spectacular, really. Words were dropped. Words were added. Words were changed. It's not the same as it was when the Anglo-Saxons spoke it, and it's not even the same as what is currently spoken across the pond, from whence "America" and "English" came.

So why are you acting like they dealt a direct blow to some point of pride? It didn't even originate here!

Let's be honest about what the actual issue here is. "People" aren't complaining that immigrants are being encouraged to stay segregated by a coke ad speaking to them in their native tongue. People are complaining that these folks exist at all.

Well guess what? Your time in power is swiftly coming to a close. I know you think you are some sort of warrior of light for the greater good and it gives you a sick sort of satisfaction to be the lone voice of righteousness in a thread full of "The Left", but your efforts are wasted. People will be free, the races will mingle, and soon, we will breed all your ignorance out.

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My favorite part of what you just quoted is that gbaji thinks he's liberating these people from their horrible, savage cultures. He's using the word enclave like it's a containment camp, and not a group of people who choose to live in close proximity to one another because of the mutual cultural understanding and comfort that affords.

Sure, many of their kids will choose to live outside of cultural communities, since the original culture is less central to their identity than it was for their parents. But there are plenty of second or third generation persons living as part of those cultural communities, and not because of economic reasons.

Others, on the other hand, want to get as far away from them.

Shockingly, this is rather similar to how any adult views their childhood home, regardless of cultural origin.

I can't wait to leave my childhood town behind. Other people I grew up with are thinking they'll buy a house there some day. It's not really any different.

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Something I WILL say, and this is 100% anecdotal, is that I've never once heard someone say "I'm happy I don't speak X" when their parents chose to raise them without the language (something I understand is particularly prevalent in some Spanish-speaking families, because they're so particularly stigmatized in much of the country).

But, going to Rutgers, I met many people whose parents and/or grandparents spoke a language they didn't understand, and plenty of them were particularly sad they never learned the tongue of their heritage.

It's also a really firm theme of modern minority writing, discussing the loss of language as an example of forced assimilation, rather than cultural integration.

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You can't just learn English at 30 and speak it like a native. You teach your kids to learn it and what not, but you'll never be able to fully integrate yourself, ever. The human mind just isn't that flexible.


Well, you can speak it better than a stupid native. Plenty of those around.

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ITT: US citizen who thinks his culture is the result of successful integration.

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Am I? Then what do you think was the purpose of having them sing in multiple languages Joph?


I know I'm not Jophiel, but I think they used multiple languages as a simple way to symbolize that the country is home to people of many different cultural backgrounds, but that every citizen, regardless of cultural background, has one thing in common: They love 'Murica and think it's purdy!

Considering Coca-Cola's advertisement history, this seems very much in line with the company's values.

From the official YouTube video description:

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#107 Feb 06 2014 at 8:02 PM Rating: Good
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Oh, apparently people are freaking out over the Cheerio commercial, too. Because interracial couple.

In case you want some blatant racism with your xenophobia.
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They're obviously perverts of some kind. People and their weird kinks. Smiley: oyvey
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Oh, apparently people are freaking out over the Cheerio commercial, too. Because interracial couple.

In case you want some blatant racism with your xenophobia.


Imagine if it was a *** interracial couple. I think gbaji would blow a fuse.

Or a load.
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Please don't ban me Kao. I honestly read most of every post that I down-voted, and I was genuinely offended and sickened by the ones that I did down-vote. As evidence I proffer to you the two gbaji posts I didn't down-vote in this thread. I don't have anything to offer this thread, other people covered what needed to be said very well.

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#114 Feb 07 2014 at 1:16 PM Rating: Good
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I'm so confused by what's happening right now.
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I'm so confused by what's happening right now.

You're not the only one.
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I'm so confused by what's happening right now.

You're not the only one.
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I'm so confused by what's happening right now.

You're not the only one.
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This.

I have one observation: I think Coca Cola made a brilliant play for the newest, youngest generations in America. They were obviously willing to alienate older drinkers of Coke to do so. Coke can't make any good health or nutrition associations. But they can associate themselves with changing social demographics. And I'm not really talking about appealing to minorities here, but appealing to a progressive, liberal young majority on social issues. Oh, and to all the ex-hippies in the aging Boomer population.

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Overblown....

Edit: I avoided the commercial for awhile because I didn't know what it was, but now I see it's just a commercial.

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I have one observation: I think Coca Cola made a brilliant play for the newest, youngest generations in America. They were obviously willing to alienate older drinkers of Coke to do so. Coke can't make any good health or nutrition associations. But they can associate themselves with changing social demographics. And I'm not really talking about appealing to minorities here, but appealing to a progressive, liberal young majority on social issues. Oh, and to all the ex-hippies in the aging Boomer population.


All they have to do is make those sugar-sweetened cokes more affordable.

That ****'s delicious, and I normally hate soda.
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#120gbaji, Posted: Feb 07 2014 at 5:31 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I find it amusing that you guys can't get your stories straight on whether or not enclaves are becoming more or less common. You've got one side saying "yeah, they're increasing, but that's a good thing!" and the other side saying "We must deny it's happening at all so as to avoid having to discuss the question of whether it's actually a good thing". Funny as **** guys.
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ITT: US citizen who thinks his culture is the result of successful integration.


That's what culture is. I get that this may be politically incorrect (and why the **** is that?), but it's also absolutely true.

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Am I? Then what do you think was the purpose of having them sing in multiple languages Joph?


I know I'm not Jophiel, but I think they used multiple languages as a simple way to symbolize that the country is home to people of many different cultural backgrounds, but that every citizen, regardless of cultural background, has one thing in common: They love 'Murica and think it's purdy!


They accomplished the "people of many different cultural backgrounds" bit with the imagery. That's my point. If they'd had those people all singing the same song in the same language it would have actually put a strong message about America being a nation of many people from many different origins.

That's how you accomplish that. You contrast the origins with where they are now. By having them sing in various different languages, the message is that nothing changed about them when they came to America. There's no before/after contrast. It's all about different people from different places speaking different languages. Where's America in this picture?

It's not there. There is no America there. That's the point.

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Yup. You honestly don't see how that might be offensive in the context of "America the beautiful"? It's saying that America isn't Beautiful. People from other countries speaking other languages are more beautiful. This is exactly the point I'm making. It's an image of America that says it's not about a cultural melting pot that results in "America", but just a bunch of different people, from different places, speaking different languages, who all just happen to live in the same geographical place.

America, as presented in the ad, isn't an ideal, or a culture, it's just a place people live in. Get it? That's why it's offensive.
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Then what do you think was the purpose of having them sing in multiple languages.. ?
To sell soda pop.


Could they not have sold just as much soda pop if they'd all been singing in English?
Nope.

But keep telling yourself there's more to it than that.


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someproteinguy wrote:
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Then what do you think was the purpose of having them sing in multiple languages.. ?
To sell soda pop.


Could they not have sold just as much soda pop if they'd all been singing in English?
Nope.


You don't think so? Why not? Do you understand anything about art and messaging? You aren't showing those people becoming "Americans" by having them all sing in their own languages. You do that by having them all sing in English. Again, it's about showing the contrast of before/after. That's how you create the message.

By having both "sides" of the ad showing the same thing (different people of different cultures speaking different languages), you completely step on any possible message about "America". It's not about America. It's about everything else.

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But keep telling yourself there's more to it than that.


Sigh. I'll ask again (because apparently all of you are afraid of the answer). What is the difference in message between that commercial as it was, and if it had had them all singing in English? There is a difference, right? What is it?
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I'll ask again (because apparently all of you are afraid of the answer). What is the difference in message between that commercial as it was, and if it had had them all singing in English?
Nothing really, other than maybe reaching a few people who might not speak English well.

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A little maybe.

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What is it?
See above.

Edit: No seriously, if it wasn't for this thread I really would have completely forgotten about this commercial by now.

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Then what do you think was the purpose of having them sing in multiple languages.. ?
To sell soda pop.


Could they not have sold just as much soda pop if they'd all been singing in English?
Nope.


You don't think so? Why not? Do you understand anything about art and messaging?


Do you think we'd all be here talking about a TV commercial if they all sang in English? Would any of us even remember it?
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I find it amusing that you guys can't get your stories straight on whether or not enclaves are becoming more or less common.
Not everyone has their stories pre-written for them and they have to actually form their own opinions and analyses. Smiley: frown
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It was an beautiful looking ad with an incredibly ugly message. Those who looked at the imagery see beauty. Those who look at the message see ugliness.
Ugly is as ugly does.


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C'mon now, Ugly has a face his mother could almost love. And that's beautiful. If you only look at the scenery.
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I find it amusing that you guys can't get your stories straight on whether or not enclaves are becoming more or less common.

I guess this is "funny" if you're under some impression that anyone is trying to get their "stories straight". You know, if you're convinced that there's some vast conspiracy to indoctrinate people into some socialist culture-corroding hellscape via soda advertising for example, you might see two people with different opinions and say "Haha! They can't even get their stories straight!" Anybody else would say "Huh, two people with different things to say" but that takes all the fun out of a monolithic "Us vs. Them" mentality.
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There are more immigrants, so more enclaves. We just call them neighborhoods up north.
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The "enclaves" in Atlanta are all kind of mushed together. Doraville and Alpharetta are collectively a "Little Korea" but the entire area of Buford Highway is every ethnicity and language under the sun, predominantly Korean and Mexican. Buford Highway Farmer's Market is an amazing grocery store with the foods divided up by country. Only place we've found that we can get real loose leaf Thai tea. Yum.
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You know, if you're convinced that there's some vast conspiracy to indoctrinate people into some socialist culture-corroding hellscape via soda advertising for example,
And car commercials.
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ITT: US citizen who thinks his culture is the result of successful integration.


That's what culture is. I get that this may be politically incorrect (and why the **** is that?), but it's also absolutely true.


Not entirely sure what you mean by this, but...

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Am I? Then what do you think was the purpose of having them sing in multiple languages Joph?


I know I'm not Jophiel, but I think they used multiple languages as a simple way to symbolize that the country is home to people of many different cultural backgrounds, but that every citizen, regardless of cultural background, has one thing in common: They love 'Murica and think it's purdy!


They accomplished the "people of many different cultural backgrounds" bit with the imagery. That's my point. If they'd had those people all singing the same song in the same language it would have actually put a strong message about America being a nation of many people from many different origins.


... Coca-Cola is not the CIA. I think you're giving the people behind the commercial too much credit. I mean, they're likely the same guys who made the commercial with Santa riding into town on a convoy of Coca-Cola trucks. Remember that one? Or the Shooting Star commercial? Or the one where Santa knocks over a crystal ball and two people fall in love. I think that's what happens, at least.

You're over-analyzing it. They probably decided to go nuts with the symbolism to make sure viewers would understand their message. The message being:

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America, as presented in the ad, isn't an ideal, or a culture, it's just a place people live in. Get it? That's why it's offensive.


It's offensive that America is presented as a country where people of different nationalities can come to seek a better future? You know, like your ancestors did a couple of hundred years ago?

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It's offensive that America is presented as a country where people of different nationalities can come to seek a better future? You know, like your ancestors did a couple of hundred years ago?

Well, if you look at the history of the nation (and of our immigration laws) you'll come to find that "different nations" mainly means "a handful of northern European countries largely with Protestant populations". Everyone else managed to get the shaft along the way in terms of being openly welcomed into the ole melting pot.

[edit: Forgot word 'else']

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It's offensive that America is presented as a country where people of different nationalities can come to seek a better future? You know, like your ancestors did a couple of hundred years ago?

Well, if you look at the history of the nation (and of our immigration laws) you'll come to find that "different nations" mainly means "a handful of northern European countries largely with Protestant populations". Everyone managed to get the shaft along the way in terms of being openly welcomed into the ole melting pot.


Yeah, anti-immigration is pretty much as common as anti-tax positions in US history. The particular group most hated at the time changed, but the general xenophobia didn't.
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... Coca-Cola is not the CIA. I think you're giving the people behind the commercial too much credit. I mean, they're likely the same guys who made the commercial with Santa riding into town on a convoy of Coca-Cola trucks. Remember that one? Or the Shooting Star commercial? Or the one where Santa knocks over a crystal ball and two people fall in love. I think that's what happens, at least.
I liked the ones with the polar bears.
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I figured the ultimate American ad would be some rednecks giving Reagan a *******.
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I liked the ones with the polar bears.

Al Gore liberal propaganda machine. A real American commercial would show a grizzly bear with Sarah Palin shooting it from a helicopter. Then the bear would toss Palin a Coke, wink and fall over, holding up a small American flag over its heart in lieu of a lily. Now that's a commercial that Americans can be proud of!


I could get behind a commercial like that.

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America, as presented in the ad, isn't an ideal, or a culture, it's just a place people live in. Get it? That's why it's offensive.


It's offensive that America is presented as a country where people of different nationalities can come to seek a better future?


Not at all. But, as we've already agreed (at least Joph and I did), a large portion of that "better future" in the US occurs once those people learn to speak English, or for their children when they do. So showing people of different national origins all singing "America the Beautiful" in English, they would have sent a strong positive message about how immigrants are the backbone of our nation. By having them sing in different languages, they send a completely different and disjointed message about America.

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Yes. The ones who learned English because they recognized that this was the common language spoken in the US and would therefore be part of "becoming American". I just find it strange that we can all agree that it's good for immigrants to learn English, but then disagree on the message sent by this commercial. If the goal of every immigrant coming to America is to learn English, and we want to celebrate how America is about all these people from all these different places all coming together, wouldn't having them all sing in English be the best way to accomplish that?

By having them sing in different languages, it sends the opposite message. It sends a message of distance and separation between all the different people who come to America. It sends a message of an America that isn't a melting pot, where each immigrant contributes to and improves our common culture, but one where we all stay separate and distinct (many cultures within one nation). I really don't understand how people can't see this. We can argue about which approach to cultural integration is best, but it's strange to deny that this is even what this is about in the first place.

Edited, Feb 12th 2014 5:30pm by gbaji
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#145 Feb 12 2014 at 9:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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I just find it strange that we can all agree that it's good for immigrants to learn English, but then disagree on the message sent by this commercial.

That's because the rest of us realize that this commercial holds zero sway or influence over who will or won't learn English and meanwhile you're flipping out and declaring it part of a liberal plot to destroy American culture by forcing everyone into ghetto enclaves via the incredible power of soda advertising. Likewise, the rest of us aren't worried about who will or won't learn English because everyone (as a whole) is learning it anyway and at faster than historic rates. A commercial that uses different languages as an easy tell for "being from different cultures" won't have any effect on that at all. No one else here sees the scary shadow messages you do in the commercial and that's why we disagree.
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#146 Feb 13 2014 at 7:17 AM Rating: Good
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[quote=gbaji]I just find it strange that we can all agree that it's good for immigrants to learn English, but then disagree on the message sent by this commercial.

I thought it kind of sounded nice. You know, pleasing to the ear and stuff. Foreign languages being all foreign to me, it gave the music a kind of transcendental feel. Anyways, it had Coke written all over it. Had there been no mention or view of the product at all - one would have pegged it for a coke commercial.

Life's not all politics. There are things like art, humanity, marketing, etc.

I know you wanted it sung in English - but come on, that's been done a zillion times (and the lyrics really aren't that good).

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Yeah, see, the rational person heard that and thought, "Oh that's cool, that's what that sounds like in another language? That's really interesting. Oh I wonder what that language is, it's weird. That one's pretty though!"

The ones terrified of brown people heard it and thought it was a sign that the brown people were going to stop at nothing until English lost all meaning.
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Yeah, see, the rational person heard that and thought, "Oh that's cool, that's what that sounds like in another language? That's really interesting. Oh I wonder what that language is, it's weird. That one's pretty though!".
The rational people didn't think twice about it. The irrational people are losing their **** over it on both sides. Just in this case it's kind of amusing the representative of the anti-side is just barely literate himself.
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Are there people losing their **** over it on a "pro" basis? "OMG this is the BEST ad ever and just what mankind needed!" sort of stuff?

I admit to the possibility that there could be. 95% of the responses I've seen towards this ad have been in this thread. I'd assumed this was one of those things with one very emotional side and one pretty neutral "It's no big thing" side. But I haven't gone looking either.
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More along the lines of "It's no big thing, and here are all the reasons why it was beautiful."
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#151 Feb 13 2014 at 9:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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This looks like as good a place as any to mention I bought a two liter Coke yesterday.
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