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#77 Dec 10 2013 at 4:39 PM Rating: Good
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International space colony? They'd use Celsius, because Fahrenheit isn't really used much outside of the U.S.

Also, a space colony would be comprised mostly of scientists, and they'd all use Celsius. Edit: Because the Celsius scale follows the Kelvin scale.

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It just works well. I can hear the temperature and know exactly how I feel about that.
That's a non argument though as it's purely reliant on what you're used to and I could use the exact same argument for Celcius.


But to the degree that we're placing any relevance at all on the usefulness of a "0-100 scale", 100 F is far more useful for determining "hot/cold" for humans than 100C. The boiling point of water is so far outside the range of anything useful in terms of human sensitivity as to be completely useless.

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Only because you've gotten used to an arbitrary number. It's not a "non-argument" to say that 100F is a good measurement that tells you instantly that "it's hot outside", while 40C really doesn't do the same thing at all. It's a very compelling argument, in fact.
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Also, a space colony would be comprised mostly of scientists, and they'd all argue over which unit of measurement to use and crash the rocket into Mars.
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Only because you've gotten used to an arbitrary number.


Unlike you guys? Your understanding of 0 to 100 is founded in science, right? That's why the scientific community uses Fahrenheit, right?
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Mazra wrote:
International space colony? They'd use Celsius, because Fahrenheit isn't really used much outside of the U.S.

Also, a space colony would be comprised mostly of scientists, and they'd all use Celsius. Edit: Because the Celsius scale follows the Kelvin scale.


Psh, clearly the Americans would be launching that thing. You'd be too busy trying to figure out which weird words to string together for its name...
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Mazra wrote:
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Only because you've gotten used to an arbitrary number.


Unlike you guys? Your understanding of 0 to 100 is founded in science, right? That's why the scientific community uses Fahrenheit, right?


I'm specifically not talking about the scientific community, but how the average joe is going to react to a number. Let's forget about the bottom end for a moment and look at the top end. 100F is a convenient number that tells us that "it's hot". 38C is just a random number. Why not 58? Or 78?

Any temperature scale is arbitrary. But the Fahrenheit scale is arbitrarily aligned to how temperatures feel to humans, while the Celsius scale is aligned to how water feels on a bunsen burner. One is useful in a lab, the other useful on the weather channel.
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One is useful in a lab and on the weather channel, the other only useful on the weather channel.
Fixed for accuracy.
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You people take your units of temperature scale a little too seriously Smiley: um
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You people take your units of temperature scale a little too seriously Smiley: um


It's because it's so cold outside, and those celsius bastards see our 20s and laugh. Smiley: mad
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gbaji wrote:
Mazra wrote:
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Only because you've gotten used to an arbitrary number.


Unlike you guys? Your understanding of 0 to 100 is founded in science, right? That's why the scientific community uses Fahrenheit, right?


I'm specifically not talking about the scientific community, but how the average joe is going to react to a number. Let's forget about the bottom end for a moment and look at the top end. 100F is a convenient number that tells us that "it's hot". 38C is just a random number. Why not 58? Or 78?

Any temperature scale is arbitrary. But the Fahrenheit scale is arbitrarily aligned to how temperatures feel to humans, while the Celsius scale is aligned to how water feels on a bunsen burner. One is useful in a lab, the other useful on the weather channel.


But why put cold at 0 when the scale also uses negative numbers? Doesn't it make more sense to put a negative number as cold and a positive number as hot? Like -100 ºF to +100 ºF? Minus means frost on the Celsius scale, which makes more sense to me than "Oh, it'll drop below 32 tonight"...

I get that 0-100 is a nice scale for mathematically challenged people, but come on. You're taught negative numbers in first grade. Why not use them?
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You're taught negative numbers in first grade. Why not use them?


You're seriously overestimating the American school system.
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I get that 0-100 is a nice scale for mathematically challenged people, but come on. You're taught negative numbers in first grade. Why not use them?


By that argument no scale is better or worse than any other. We could peg 0 at the temperature that bacon grease congeals and 100 at the temperature of a mongoose fart, and it would be just as useful.

So we're left with a choice between not caring about whether the numbers are arbitrary, in which case Fahrenheit and Celsius are equal (as are any randomly chosen scale for that matter), or we decide we actually do care about the numbers having some relevance to human perception of hot/cold, in which case Fahrenheit is superior.

So basically, if we don't care what we use, they're the same, but if we do, then Fahrenheit is superior. Are we agreed on this? Smiley: tongue
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There's only two thermal measurements in a space station that matter:

A>. Nominal

B>. +3 Kelvin, because you have a hull breach.
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gbaji wrote:
So basically, if we don't care what we use, they're the same, but if we do, then Fahrenheit is superior. Are we agreed on this? Smiley: tongue
Only if we're speaking about a specific temperature, such as 88F and not something with a range like the 80's.
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gbaji wrote:
So basically, if we don't care what we use, they're the same, but if we do, then Fahrenheit is superior. Are we agreed on this? Smiley: tongue


No, because...

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...we decide we actually do care about the numbers having some relevance to human perception of hot/cold...


...and perception is subjective. Smiley: tongue

Anyway, this is a pointless discussion. Whether the scale is based on the freezing point of water or brine, what matters is our ability to understand them. Same with the metric vs the imperial system. The rest of the world uses the metric system (and Celsius), but fine... be a special snowflake. Smiley: rolleyes
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but fine... be a special snowflake. Smiley: rolleyes

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