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#52 Oct 09 2013 at 11:04 AM Rating: Good
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Actually wanted to level up a Gladiator, but I'll be damned if I'm going to sit through that 60-minute intro again. Most boring first 5 levels I've ever experienced in any MMO.

Ever.

The lack of voice acting in the cutscenes makes them a waste of time. I'm looking at the subtitles more than the actual action, because there's no @#%^ing audio. I get that voice acting is expensive, but why have cutscenes when you don't have voiced dialogue?! And you have to skip so much crap just to accept a quest. And like Catwho said, even that's not efficient in the long run, because you end up not knowing what the @#%^ to do.

It's like the developers thought people would play this game as their first MMO ever. I know how to pick up and hand in quests, and I know how transportation networks work. Still, I'm being forced to do those quests that take forever and do not involve fighting at all. I was level 5 before I got to use my abilities. So boring.
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#53 Oct 09 2013 at 11:19 AM Rating: Good
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My issue isn't really text without voice acting, it's that they spoon feed you the text, and then make you click to move on.

Just give me an actual cutscene with a sufficient amount of text in the bubble to keep me busy for most of the time it's on screen. Then automatically continue.
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#54 Oct 09 2013 at 12:15 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah, then I could alt-tab and get some work done while my character is listening to the tale of how important it is that I deliver a letter to some dude across the map when there's a mailbox RIGHT. THERE.

Edit: That's not a stab at the "deliver this <item>" quests. Those quests exist in WoW and other MMOs as well. The difference is that in WoW, it's matter of right-clicking the NPC and then clicking "Accept". Done. In FFXIV, you right-click the NPC, might/might not get a cutscene with a wall of text, click "Accept", definitely get a cutscene with a wall of text, and then you get to deliver the letter. Too much information given. Just let me pick up the quest and be on my way. No reason to give me a cutscene every damn time.

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#55 Oct 09 2013 at 12:25 PM Rating: Good
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Free transfers opening up on October 15 it seems.

My understanding is they will lift the pop caps at that time to accommodate people who want to transfer to crowded servers, but I don't have a reference for that.

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#56 Oct 09 2013 at 12:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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Mazra wrote:
Actually wanted to level up a Gladiator, but I'll be damned if I'm going to sit through that 60-minute intro again. Most boring first 5 levels I've ever experienced in any MMO.

You don't have to sit through it again. You level all the classes on one character. It's complicated (not really), I'll let digg or someone else explain it.

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The lack of voice acting in the cutscenes makes them a waste of time. I'm looking at the subtitles more than the actual action, because there's no @#%^ing audio. I get that voice acting is expensive, but why have cutscenes when you don't have voiced dialogue?!

(Oh boy, he's going to flip when he gets to the cutscenes which are half voice acting and half not)

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#57 Oct 09 2013 at 12:43 PM Rating: Good
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You don't have to sit through it again. You level all the classes on one character. It's complicated (not really), I'll let digg or someone else explain it.


I know, but I wanted to change my character's race as well.

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(Oh boy, he's going to flip when he gets to the cutscenes which are half voice acting and half not)


Ngh! My OCD can't handle inconsistencies.
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Mazra wrote:
cynyck wrote:
You don't have to sit through it again. You level all the classes on one character. It's complicated (not really), I'll let digg or someone else explain it.


I know, but I wanted to change my character's race as well.

When you pay for your first month you get a [something-something] of Fantasia in the in-game mail. It allows you to change everything but name. Or so I understand - I just got it last night.

You swalee it, log out, log back in and get to re-do your race, gender, and appearance. So, since you can save an appearance, you can probably create a new character with the race, gender, and appearance you want, save it, and log out. Then when you log in on the character you want to change, load up the saved appearance.

Just be careful, you only get one free [something-something] of Fantasia, and there are some clipping issues. I know how that irritates you.

Someone who's done this already can confirm or deny, but that's my understanding from reading what others are saying, and from reading the tooltip on the Fantasia thingy.

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Would've been nice to know before I deleted my other character. Smiley: facepalm

Whatever, I'll do the intro again some day when I have the time.
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#60 Oct 09 2013 at 6:06 PM Rating: Good
yea it lets you change everything about your character 'cept the name.

Was also able to create a character, so if I do transfer, free name change (hopefully) :p

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#61 Oct 10 2013 at 8:45 AM Rating: Good
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Would've been nice to know before I deleted my other character. Smiley: facepalm

Whatever, I'll do the intro again some day when I have the time.

Can I ask a simple question? What the hell is it with you and deleting characters?? You can make 8 per server and 40 total, or something close to that.

Do you know where deleted characters go? The Isle of Deleted Characters, where they all wait in the hope that someone will one day come and select them for their character in an active game. Doesn't that make you sad?

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cynyck wrote:
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Would've been nice to know before I deleted my other character. Smiley: facepalm

Whatever, I'll do the intro again some day when I have the time.

Can I ask a simple question? What the hell is it with you and deleting characters?? You can make 8 per server and 40 total, or something close to that.

Do you know where deleted characters go? The Isle of Deleted Characters, where they all wait in the hope that someone will one day come and select them for their character in an active game. Doesn't that make you sad?



Actually that depends on your subscription level. The most basic tier only lets you have 1 per server, iirc.
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Do you know where deleted characters go? The Isle of Deleted Characters, where they all wait in the hope that someone will one day come and select them for their character in an active game. Doesn't that make you sad?


It... it kind of turns me on.
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#64 Oct 10 2013 at 10:38 AM Rating: Good
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Awesome, all my characters are attractive, burly, and easy. How do I get there?
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
Awesome, all my characters are attractive, burly, and easy. How do I get there?
So your dry spell has been that long?
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So your dry spell has been that long?

Smiley: lolSmiley: lolSmiley: lol

Yes.

Yes it has.
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#67 Oct 10 2013 at 11:22 AM Rating: Good
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No sexy men to be found in New Jersey?
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#68 Oct 10 2013 at 11:24 AM Rating: Good
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Judging entirely from the guys I typically get messages from on grindr, very few. Smiley: lol

Well, I live in the middle of nowhere, which certainly doesn't help.
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#70 Oct 10 2013 at 12:13 PM Rating: Good
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cynyck wrote:
Mazra wrote:
Would've been nice to know before I deleted my other character. Smiley: facepalm

Whatever, I'll do the intro again some day when I have the time.

Can I ask a simple question? What the hell is it with you and deleting characters?? You can make 8 per server and 40 total, or something close to that.

Do you know where deleted characters go? The Isle of Deleted Characters, where they all wait in the hope that someone will one day come and select them for their character in an active game. Doesn't that make you sad?


Have I ever told you that there's a standing order to permanently suspend my WoW account if I ever write a GM ticket with the words "restore" and "character" in it again?

I had issues with alts back then. This was in 2005 or something like that.

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I have issues with alts, but I was also too lazy to get them restored if I deleted them. Smiley: lol
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I don't think I've ever deleted a character over level 20 in WoW. Then again, almost o alt ever made it to that level that hasn't also made it to level cap (at the time).
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I only have and likely will only ever have 1 FFXIV character, same as FFXI. I see zero reason to have more than one given I can play all classes on one character.

Edit, That's a bit of a lie now that I think about it, I have a legacy character that I will never play as it's on a legacy server.

Edited, Oct 10th 2013 4:44pm by Yodabunny
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I only have and likely will only ever have 1 FFXIV character, same as FFXI. I see zero reason to have more than one given I can play all classes on one character.

Edit, That's a bit of a lie now that I think about it, I have a legacy character that I will never play as it's on a legacy server.

Edited, Oct 10th 2013 4:44pm by Yodabunny


The guy who wrote the kotaku review wrote it leveling different characters, because he wanted to level with quests.

Not smart if you are invested in endgame, but probably smart if you're just casual.
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tl;dr - jerks will be jerks, Warrior tanks are fine, and although it took three nights I completed Stone Vigil.

Last night was my third night running Stone Vigil. I know a lot of others have banged their heads against that place.

First night I (WHM) had a Warrior tank, Thaum, Dragoon. Only the Thaum had been there before. We got three tries against the last boss but ran out of time on the third. The second try though . . . We got to about 50% and the Thaum goes down. I try to rez him, and after he accepts the rez the boss turns, looks, and drops a red circle under him as he comes out of the rez. I try again and the same thing happens. I lose the Dragoon at about 15% and try to rez him and - the same thing happens. I know, definition of insanity and all that. But I don't give up and try the Thaum one more time. Same thing.

Meanwhile I'm trying to keep the tank up and dps. We get to about 5% and the boss goes up and starts dropping red circles. He puts them almost in a straight line across the middle, then drops his AoE strip right on top of me. I'm out of mana. I have to run across the circles and go down because I was at 50%, because I spent my mana topping off the tank.

The tank somehow gets the boss to the point where I cannot see any life in the boss' health bar. Nor can I see any in the tank's health bar. This only happened once before to me, although I've read stories like this many times. It was back in WoW on Gruul, and our pally tank survived, and vent erupted. But the other night the Warrior tank went down and I slumped on my keyboard. We had a two-bar limit break and he didn't use it. I don't blame him for not realizing it, the fact that he was able to handle dpsing the boss down from 5% and survive was a feat in itself.

The next night was a nightmare. It was me, a Pally tank, and two Bards. OK, so I've got the only sleep. Well, the tank takes off before I stoneskin him and that pretty much set the stage for the rest of the night. You know the problem in SV with 3 and 4 MoB trash packs and aggro. I was running back and forth through the tank on every pull, constantly. I tried to sleep and he'd attack the slept MoB. Someone in the LS suggested I knockback before sleeping, which was a good idea but adds another gcd. I did that and the first time I did it -- the tank runs after the MoB I knockback . . .

Meanwhile, one of the Bards is spinning, jumping, and back-flipping with all the skills he's using. And the other is standing there pew-pewing. I don't know what that means, but we were taking forever to kill stuff. Oh, and both the tank and the Bard that's standing still pew-pewing have the same last name, and are in the same FC (I checked afterwards). At some point I lose the tank because I'm constantly running and so are the Bards, and I'm healing everyone because we are all taking damage. On the trash MoBs. The tank was holding aggro on no more than one MoB at a time.

We get to the second boss, and the tank says "We know this fight, let's just go." This was because I tried to explain the first fight and began explaining the second. Well, I'm glad they knew it. He puts his FC mate on the cannon. She manages to somehow not kill the flying dragons until they do two to three AoEs. Every time. I can't keep up. I lose the tank. He says in chat, "damn healer" and then "lol." His FC mate says "my fault" but I want to defuse things so I say "tank dies it's the healer's fault." The tank says, "yeah, so whose fault was it now?"

We make it past that boss and during the next batch of trash pulls I start getting lectured by the tank on my healing aggro. "Regen causes aggro." Yeah, but I don't regen at the end of a fight, only during. "Use some of that giant mana pool." If I could stand still for two seconds, I would. But I don't say anything, except after a wipe I say, "If you want to try another healer, I'll drop and you can see if someone else can do better." Tank says, "eh, we came this far."

We run out of time on the last boss. I found it odd that his FC friend never said anything beyond that "my fault." It turns out, the tank has a L50 MNK and the bard has a L50 WHM.

Then last night. We go in, and we have a pally tank. He laaaaaaagggggggssssss through three trash pulls and then just leaves. Someone clicks "yes" to recruit another player and then both dps leave. Before I can leave, two dps arrive. I debate leaving as the timer is ticking down, but something makes me stay. We get a Warrior tank with about 72 minutes left on the timer. I decide to stay, even though I don't see how we can possibly finish.

We have a Thaum and a Dragoon - this is the same makeup as the first night. Interesting. The tank says, "Hey, aggro is hellish in here and I don't have a lot of aggro grabbing skills, so I'll do my best but I hope you'll understand." Wow. I tell him not to worry, Thaum has AoE sleep and I have a sleep, just mark targets. We struggle a bit, but we make good timing and get the first boss down without a wipe. The Thaum has a really, really hard time getting the hang of the cannon and it takes two wipes but we get the second boss down, and we make it to the last boss with enough time for one try. OK, this doesn't look good since the tank and I are the only ones who have done this before, but I'm game.

Son of a bitch. Everyone does really well, I lose the Dragoon with about 20% left and he's apologizing like crazy. I actually try the rez thing again and the boss puts a red circle under the Dragoon again, just after he accepts the rez. I guess it's a mechanic of that fight - no rez's. But, we down the boss. Done! I tell the Dragoon he did great and stop apologizing and the moral is . . . the hell if I know.

Strangely, I don't hate Stone Vigil.

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#76 Oct 11 2013 at 11:11 AM Rating: Good
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Stone Vigil is the one with the frost dragon, right?

I HATE Stone Vigil. That fight is just awful. There's little room for error, and way more movement than makes a healer happy.
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Sooo, if I were to make a tank in this game, what would be the class? Gladiator, yeah? What else? I can combine it with some other class, right? Or at least get some skills from another class that I can then use with my primary class... right?

I'm so lost.

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Sooo, if I were to make a tank in this game, what would be the job? Gladiator, yeah? What else? I can combine it with some other job, right? Or at least get some skills from another job that I can then use with my primary job... right?

I'm so lost.
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Mazra wrote:
Sooo, if I were to make a tank in this game, what would be the job? Gladiator, yeah? What else? I can combine it with some other job, right? Or at least get some skills from another job that I can then use with my primary job... right?

I'm so lost.


Gladiator, right now, specializes into the Paladin job, which is a tank. They'll likely add more class specializations in time, most likely adding at least a DPS job.

Your other class option for tanking, right now, is Marauder, which specializes into the Warrior job (think Blood DK Tanking back in early Wrath).

You have up to 5 cross-class skill slots in a job, and 10 in a class. These are limited in availability to your class, with even stricter limits on job skills (generally only 2 other classes are available).

To replace those 5 slots, jobs get 5 specialized skills unique to that job, which cannot be cross-classed.

Not all basic class skills are cross-class. For example, Protect can be slotted by any class (and slotted by the Scholar and Paladin jobs), but Fire cannot be slot by any class and is limited to Thaums and Blms.

Right now, only one class may specialize into two jobs - Scholar and Summoner. These have different cross-class limitations.
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"Stone Vigil is the one with the frost dragon, right?" - Check.
"There's little room for error" - Check.
"and way more movement than makes a healer happy." - Check.

Yep, you got it, that's Stone Vigil.

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So much dialogue with no voices! It's awkward as all hell. You've got background noise and sound effects from hand gestures and whatnot, but no voice. None. Would have settled for some mumbling. Anything to justify the need to have a cutscene every other quest.

Anyway, I settled for a Marauder. Figured I'd go Gladiator at some point. Finally found a starting area that doesn't make me rage all over. The forest zone and the giant city thing was just horrible. This naval city zone is better. Horrible name, though. Limsa Lominsa. Sounds like some wacky character from the Harry Potter franchise.

Edit: Thanks for the info, Digg. Found the Final Fantasy Wikia site and read up on it. Love sword and board, but something about the Marauder appeals to me. Can't figure out if it's the horned helmet or the giant battleaxe. Might be both.

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Love sword and board, but something about the Marauder appeals to me. Can't figure out if it's the horned helmet or the giant battleaxe. Might be both.

Nah. It's the fact that right now a lot of people are saying that Warriors are broken, which leaves Warriors on the defensive and always explaining why they are fine. I don't know the mechanics, but someone was saying that you just have to let a Warrior Tank sit at about 80% health so he/she can use the skills they get. What I do know is that they seem to bend but not break.

So, it was the Maz instinct kicking in. It's the same reason you chose feral druid back in TBC. It's because innately you must know that playing a Warrior will lead to hours and hours of frustration and keyboard smashing.

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Really? My experience has been that Plds are the VASTLY superior tank right now.

Letting a tank sit at lower health rarely seems like an option in any fight I've been through. Too many burst mechanics - I just have to keep healing them to full (and do my best to avoid overhealing).

That's definitely a balance issue with the numbers that needs to be addressed. Either by reducing the sheer amount of burst potential in many fights (F*** YOU GARUDA), increasing Warrior defenses, or both.

And since my MP pool actually matters, as in I WILL go OOM, the much higher MP requirement for Warriors really makes me struggle.

Unless they actually implement triage healing, it's not going to work.

Then again, they really DO need to fix healing. We don't have the mana to be consistently overhealing our tanks, but doing anything else too frequently causes wipes.
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Yeah, but I think we're saying the same thing, other than that I wouldn't use the word "vastly."

EDIT: do I have it backwards? Does Marauder = PLD or does Marauder = WAR? I thought PLD was sword and board and Marauder was axes. I don't do the tanky-tank thing so I know nothing about them other than what it's like healing them.

If I have it backwards, then what the hell Maz? How did you make the less frustrating choice?



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I'm surprised you had so much trouble with Stone Vigil. My first time there on DRG and we cleared the place with only 1 wipe on trash cause the healer DCed. We almost wiped on the first one because the bard doing the cannons slacked and I got one shot but it was late in the fight and we were able to recover.

I'm 44 and need to do the Garuda fight and I'm sick of Fating. I've finished my DRG hunt log, every quest I can find. Also you can't queue for a dungeon and join a fate group, so mostly its solo fating which its hard to keep up with the groups that kill stuff fast.

SE really needs to put in more quests, or increase leves a lot.
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You guys make FFXIV sound like a piece of sh*t game.
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It's not a sh*t game its just has some rough spots. Every MMO starts off rough it seems. I would play more but I just got a Hearthstone beta and now I'm addicted to that.



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I'm surprised you had so much trouble with Stone Vigil. My first time there on DRG and we cleared the place with only 1 wipe on trash cause the healer DCed. We almost wiped on the first one because the bard doing the cannons slacked and I got one shot but it was late in the fight and we were able to recover.

I'm 44 and need to do the Garuda fight and I'm sick of Fating. I've finished my DRG hunt log, every quest I can find. Also you can't queue for a dungeon and join a fate group, so mostly its solo fating which its hard to keep up with the groups that kill stuff fast.

SE really needs to put in more quests, or increase leves a lot.


When I did Stone Vigil, we got to the last room before the last boss, the one withe the ice spirits and three dragons, we wiped there because the ice spirits were just raping with their constant spell spam. Aside from that it was a pretty easy dungeon, all the bosses went down on the first try. Garuda is a real bitch, if you don't have a PLD to tank and a good healer, you might as well not even bother.

I joined up with a FATE group in Bluefog and we raided the mine while no FATEs were going on to finally get my last two levels to 50 and then went on to finish the main storyline. Having 8 person parties made things much easier, the last couple dungeons were almost a joke compared to how much trouble I had with Garuda. Right now I'm power leveling my Carpenter. It's at 35 right now and I've got a decent amount of materials I'll need to spam the next set of leves.
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BeanX wrote:
I'm surprised you had so much trouble with Stone Vigil.

What can I say? I left some stuff out because it was a long post, and I don't like to complain. But when I see someone standing in the circles on the last fight, I lose confidence in their abilities. When I see people not run to the wall with the dragon on the first fight, I know we're going to have a bad time. When I get AoE after AoE on the second fight, and when I run to the cannon and shoot the damn dragon before the DPS assigned to that duty, I question people's commitment to win.

Of course, maybe it's that I just suck and I'm reading too much into it. Smiley: lol

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I liked Stone Vigil.
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BeanX wrote:
I'm surprised you had so much trouble with Stone Vigil.

What can I say? I left some stuff out because it was a long post, and I don't like to complain. But when I see someone standing in the circles on the last fight, I lose confidence in their abilities. When I see people not run to the wall with the dragon on the first fight, I know we're going to have a bad time. When I get AoE after AoE on the second fight, and when I run to the cannon and shoot the damn dragon before the DPS assigned to that duty, I question people's commitment to win.

Of course, maybe it's that I just suck and I'm reading too much into it. Smiley: lol
If people stand in voidzones or similar deathtraps you don't heal them but point and laugh at them. They should know to expect these things and their inability to react to something in a timely manner is their own fault, let them feel the consequences and they might learn.

If they don't learn tell them they suck and remove them from the group.
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Well, a lot of the problems do come down to RNG.

Stone Vigil includes a LOT of void zones, set randomly, and they linger.

The dragon has one attack where he blankets 1/2 of the map with frost. Which he uses right when he's also filling the map with miniature, circular voidzones (that have a very small window to dodge). Because the boss will choose one side of the square room to use it on, you have to stay in the middle of the map to have a chance of avoiding it. But the middle of the map is where the voidzones are.

There were times where I ended up locked behind a wall of unavoidable zones, just because that's where they happened to form. Eating the smaller ones is better than the big one, but they still really hurt. And as a healer, I couldn't do anything but hope my tank lived through that phase with my Regen up.

So while I agree that consistent failure to avoid ground aoe is a problem with the dps, I can't really blame people on Stone Vigil unless they are particularly bad.

The RNG is actually a big problem right now, IMO, particularly for unavoidable damage. Garuda has this one really strong targetted AoE attack, where it hits the player and anyone around them. It's not something someone nearby could realistically avoid if they were a melee.

But so I had points where Garuda would use it on my tank, use it on a melee dps, use it on the tank, use her local-area aoe on the tank, and all the while be auto-attacking the tank.

That's a ton of damage that just isn't avoidable any way except by not having a melee dps, period. Which does, in fact, make Garuda a MUCH easier fight, because it vastly reduces the healing needed for DPS (everyone gets to space out, so the AoE hits one person), and because it vastly lowers the risk of the tank going down too fast to heal.

Oh, she also has this wonderful targeted attack in P3 which I watched one-shot a geared Warrior tank from around full health. My Pld tanks lived through it.
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Well, a lot of the problems do come down to RNG.

Stone Vigil includes a LOT of void zones, set randomly, and they linger.

The dragon has one attack where he blankets 1/2 of the map with frost. Which he uses right when he's also filling the map with miniature, circular voidzones (that have a very small window to dodge). Because the boss will choose one side of the square room to use it on, you have to stay in the middle of the map to have a chance of avoiding it. But the middle of the map is where the voidzones are.

There were times where I ended up locked behind a wall of unavoidable zones, just because that's where they happened to form. Eating the smaller ones is better than the big one, but they still really hurt. And as a healer, I couldn't do anything but hope my tank lived through that phase with my Regen up.

So while I agree that consistent failure to avoid ground aoe is a problem with the dps, I can't really blame people on Stone Vigil unless they are particularly bad.

The RNG is actually a big problem right now, IMO, particularly for unavoidable damage. Garuda has this one really strong targetted AoE attack, where it hits the player and anyone around them. It's not something someone nearby could realistically avoid if they were a melee.

But so I had points where Garuda would use it on my tank, use it on a melee dps, use it on the tank, use her local-area aoe on the tank, and all the while be auto-attacking the tank.


I had to fight that damn fight so many times that I started to get a good sense of when the AoE was coming and would stand back tossing my ranged attack until she used it, then run back in, hit her few times and run back out. It took longer, but I took a lot less damge. That targeted AoE (it's called Friction I believe) is a bitch though, it's a 900 damage hit that just can't be avoided, it helps if people don't stand together though. Having melee over ranged would be easier on the healer, but healing isn't the real issue, it's keeping the pillars intact so that you survive her big midfight attack. Even with a full pillar, unless people are seriously well geared, PLD limit break is almost required to survive it.


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Ha, healing is definitely an issue. I don't know about how Sch healing is, but the group I had without a melee dps was a huge reduction in the amount of healing I had to do.

Then again, melee dps give you the dps limit break, so it might even out.

That said, there's no way in hell I'd do that fight with a Warrior AND melee dps. Getting me to do it with a Warrior would be hard enough...
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I'd rather have a PLD/GLD than a WAR/MRD in pretty much any given dungeon. The MRD/WAR is better at holding down hate with lots of trash mobs, but a GLD/PLD is waaaaay better at tanking big bads and not getting one shotted. As a healer, I can survive the trash mobs and it'll be okay because my MP will regen before we hit the next batch. If my MP runs out mid-boss, though, everyone is in trouble.

In short, WAR needs better damage mitigation tools.

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Yeah. It's not even remotely acceptable as of right now. For their self-healing mechanics to matter, traige healing HAS to be in place. And even then, they need to not be in danger of being 1-shot by the RNG.

Imo, the distance between Pld and War doesn't actually need to be nearly so huge for them to feel like really different tanks. Just having a bias one way or the other (self healing or mitigation) is going to be a big enough change on the healer and the tank to make them justifiable, even if the actual math is pretty close.
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The main issue with Warrior tanks is that they lack a reliable stun, which is a must-have for most end-game fights so far. Their ability to tank itself is not really much better or worse than PLD, but not having that stun makes things very difficult.
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This is an interesting thread on reddit in which warriors, paladins, white mages, and scholars all weigh in. My take on it is that as warriors are getting better gear they are better able to tank, paladins are otherwise marginally better because they require a little less healing which allows the healer to dps some, and warriors, paladins, white mages, scholars are lazy, bad, not doing their job, don't know how to play - just mix and match the class with the insult for maximum entertainment.


Actually, the ffxiv reddit forum is getting somewhat better - not because of the mods but because of some self-policing of the vitriol. The ffxivtc forum is a better place for stat and strat discussions though.

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Yea, not sure why the conversation is happening here and not at least in =22. The FFXIV forums here are about as good as the old FFXI forums, which is to say not at all, but I'd agree that the conversation doesn't really belong here.
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Because the FFXIV forums are cesspools and no one wants to go there.
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