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#52 Aug 21 2013 at 8:56 AM Rating: Good
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#53 Aug 21 2013 at 12:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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You guys need more active topic starters.
Lure the XIVers. That'll be fun with how touchy feely they are.
We could use some good drama here.


But it won't even be good drama. It'll be boring drama that we don't care about and isn't actually interesting in any way.
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#54 Aug 21 2013 at 2:34 PM Rating: Good
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Still better than nothing.
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#55 Aug 21 2013 at 2:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'll read it either way.

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go recruit newbies from the FFXIV forum, they've got 1,000 peoples in there
No, thanks.


ha ha ha ha ha, yeah, no.
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Still better than nothing.
Probably not.
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#58 Aug 21 2013 at 3:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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You're missing the oppertunity to recruit your own fleet of minions in training though! Think of it, a whole forum of inexperianced and likely extremely optomistic and easily led minds, whom you could convert to your own personality cult! All flamewar arguments would fall against your unstoppable army of legitimate raters and posters. Hoardes of eager wariors ready to fling themselves in the way of any ban button leveled against you. You could attain Trolling Nervana and become one with the forumverse, controlling our posts and actions through your will alone!

Thats how the Asylum did it back in the day anyways, well, before the whole Asylum thing and The Exhile...
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
You're missing the oppertunity to recruit your own fleet of minions in training though! Think of it, a whole forum of inexperianced and likely extremely optomistic and easily led minds, whom you could convert to your own personality cult! All flamewar arguments would fall against your unstoppable army of legitimate raters and posters. Hoardes of eager wariors ready to fling themselves in the way of any ban button leveled against you. You could attain Trolling Nervana and become one with the forumverse, controlling our posts and actions through your will alone!

Thats how the Asylum did it back in the day anyways, well, before the whole Asylum thing and The Exhile...


Considering the number of spelling errors, I proclaim Kaolian "DRUNK".

That is all.
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#61 Aug 21 2013 at 8:22 PM Rating: Decent
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You guys need more active topic starters. There are enough OOT repliers to topics, but you don't end up with enough new topics to sustain the gestalt or attract new posters or bring back old lurkers. It may be the only "fix" is to merge the forums with Asylum to get enough people concentrated, but at this point Asylum doesn't also need that, since they have juuust enough people in there to keep it going. I'm hopeing a few of the new flood of ffxivers wanders in here and takes up residence. We'll see. Admins don't tend to work as topic starters, since it starts looking like we're taking over a forum, and it can't just be one or two others either. The trick isn't even really to post particularily good topics. They just have to be intriguing. People will post, it ups their post count, and if they dislike a topic they'll mold it to whatever they want. getting that starter in the first place is the tricky part, since only a fraction of forum posters start new topics regularily.


ITT: Kao encourages spamming new threads.


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#62 Aug 21 2013 at 9:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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Considering the number of spelling errors, I proclaim Kaolian "DRUNK".

That is all.


No, that's pretty much normal for me. you should be worried if I start spelling things correctly during a long post. Or if I start going on about imaginary llamas.

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ITT: Kao encourages spamming new threads.
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It's all about balance. One person can't make all the threads, it drives people away. You've got 50 posts to work with on a default page view, 3 of those will be stickies usually, and maybe another 3 will be spam or **** (though less now that I have the fun spammer **** tool!) Ideally there would be 40 different people posting 40 different threads within a 4 hour period. Slower than that, the gestalt doesn't continue to grow. faster than that and people can't keep up.

OOT even at it's busiest never was that fast, and likely never will be.

That being said, you need at least 5-10 new threads per day to grow a forum. Less than that, people don't feel enough of a compelling draw to return.It gets slow durring the summer months when all the college kids are away from their computers for a MMO related forum, and during the hollidays. You can pretty much tell how well a forum is doing based on the number of lurkers. It's a 20 lurker to 1 poster ratio on average, and mods don't count. OOT and asylum all have a higher poster to lurker ratio, but less overall numbers. Growth is possible at about 80 average viewers. Growth is likely at 150-200. The gestalt really kicks in at 400 users and can quickly grow to upwards of 2000 depending on the topic. Game specific forums are easier to grow, but die off quicker. People automatically have a connection and sense of belonging. People don't post in the OOT or Asylum usually until they are already established elsewhere, or have lurked long enough to see how people react to newbies (hint, in OOT's case, it isn't "good")

I can give you all the facts and statistics of a forum, tell you how the mechanics work out, but I haven't figured out a way to fix the slide. I'm certainly open to ideas. Alot of it's structureal. Corporate ownership issues, people annoyed at various forum changes over the years, the ads all over the place, etc. The quickest fix would be killing the ads off entirely in the forums, which would boost return viewers and use, and probably result in more people buying premium and actually using the site features, but that won't happen. I've tried. Socks don't work long, even if I didn't find them annoying. People find out and feel betrayed. plus no one is really good at splitting their writing style into majorly different styles on the fly in real time over a long period of time with consistancy. More threads helps, and even the occasional big admin thread can be a temporary draw (ask an admin day, etc) but overall admin threads, unless they are major drama, seem to hurt if there are too many of them. That could be my perception again. Maybe a forum consolidation?

I dunno. Maybe it can't be fixed, and this is the level of posting we experiance in here. I can't help but thinking there should be a mechanism to reward posting of new thread topics, but without encouraging spam, and without everyone feeling it was a cheat. Make 1st post in the thread count double on post count? assign a random post count + value to new threads, like a lottery? (annoying to time thread dings). Automatic positive karma boost for new thread start, but offsetable by downrates? /shrug. Maybe that's the wrong approach entirely.

Certanly more visibility would help. the Wow forums showing up on Wowhead, etc. I've been working on that for a while, but the official forums are large enough that ours won't take off as much as the FFXIV ones did. at their prime the Wow forums were never over 400 or so.

We'll keep tinkering.
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#63 Aug 22 2013 at 2:35 AM Rating: Decent
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
People don't post in the OOT or Asylum usually until they are already established elsewhere, or have lurked long enough to see how people react to newbies (hint, in OOT's case, it isn't "good")



That is a symptom of all forums really, not just OoT or NHB forums. Well, in my opinion anyway. If a forum survives long enough to garner coveted "regs" distrust or even outright anger toward new posters is inevitable. Because they are clunky, they are blocks in a malleable pool of goo, and I think it is a right of passage of sorts, to get a bit roughed up when coming into an established posting community. Obviously those who have lurked for a while are a little less blocky and of course this theory doesn't apply to all new posters, some newbies get it right away.

As a moderator, you can't get too heavy-handed about it as your regular posters--which are the lifeblood of any forum--will grow tired and leave. But you can't be too light either so it's a difficult balancing act and I share in your struggle (on a different forum of course).

As a side note my posting here declined mostly because of the fact that I no longer play any of the games featured here. The fact that some of my more favorite posters no longer post here for whatever reason would be an alternate reason. Unless of course there is a StarCraft II or SimCity forum here I'm unaware of and even then there are far better sites for those two games. Not to hate on Zam.com but until you guys start hosting mods for the various SimCity games any hopes of getting the forum going is a dead stick.

Anyway I've digressed to a significant degree, I felt like speaking for a moment on the very issue you've raised as I'm also attempting to wrestle the same bear and I understand exactly where you are coming from Kao.

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#64 Aug 22 2013 at 4:21 AM Rating: Good
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It's still there.
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#65 Aug 22 2013 at 6:20 AM Rating: Good
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One of the issues I see is that whereas ZAM.com provides several network sites rolled into one, the various new sites that come out with new games, Guildhead, TORhead, etc. contain their own communities, segregated from the rest of the "ZAM Network". There's no clear connection to the other sites in the network, and people don't migrate. I guess XIVDB has a link to "ZAM Forums" on it, so I suppose that's an improvement. At least it won't result in split communities within the same network like with Wowhead, TORhead, etc.
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:

I can't help but thinking there should be a mechanism to reward posting of new thread topics,

Karma points.

With the karma points you can buy custom colors to frame your name. At this point I'd not be satisfied with simply getting green or red. I want cerise or chestnut or burnt sienna.



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As a side note my posting here declined mostly because of the fact that I no longer play any of the games featured here.
Neither do most of the people here, snowflake.
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As a side note my posting here declined mostly because of the fact that I no longer play any of the games featured here.
Neither do most of the people here, snowflake.
Games? What games?
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#69 Aug 22 2013 at 9:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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I play games.

No one posts in the SWTOR forum though, and I'm not sure I really have much to add anyway.
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Yeah, I'm not currently playing anything. I'll be playing FFXIV come Saturday, but no chance in **** I'm becoming a regular in that forum.
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Yeah, I'm not currently playing anything. I'll be playing FFXIV come Saturday, but no chance in **** I'm becoming a regular in that forum.
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I play games.

No one posts in the SWTOR forum though, and I'm not sure I really have much to add anyway.
This is what I was talking about earlier. There's not a huge amount of activity there, but TORhead has its own TOR General and TOR Class forums. So, anyone who is using the database service is more likely to post there. Of course, there's no organic way for those users to ever interact or become aware of the community on ZAM Prime, and so you end up with two communities for the same game using the same site network.

I understand why they do it, but I really dislike all the separate network sites with their separate forums. I started coming to ZAM because of FFXI. I ended up in the OOT and Asylum forums and made some friends, and later ended up playing WoW with some of them. I later played SWTOR with people from the site, and learned about tons of other games that people were playing. Had it been just a dedicated FFXI site, I would have likely never branched out and tried these other games, and if I had, I might not have ended up using the ZAM database offerings for them. The nice thing about ZAM was that it had information for a ton of games, all in one convenient location.
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FFXI was my introduction as well, since alla was one of the best resources for it. Then again, there were no o-boards, and people mainly came to the site to use its maps and item databases. Class guides were probably a selling point, too, but perhaps not the rest of the forums.
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idiggory, King of Bards wrote:
FFXI was my introduction as well, since alla was one of the best resources for it. Then again, there were no o-boards, and people mainly came to the site to use its maps and item databases. Class guides were probably a selling point, too, but perhaps not the rest of the forums.
I migrated to Zam when Somepage was having all their security issues. I eventually stayed on Zam for the forums, and ended up using FFXIclopedia as my main information resource.
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The nice thing about ZAM was that it had information for a ton of games, all in one convenient location.
Yeah I miss the depth of information, especially user-generated stuff like class stickies and what not. That was the big drawing and staying power for me initially. As sad as it was to see that dry up, I have to admit I don't have the kind of time I used to have to make that kind of stuff. Old people are old.

Oh and I assume they kept the forums separate to keep us away from normal people.
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The fact that some of my more favorite posters no longer post here for whatever reason would be an alternate reason.


Yeah, there are quite a few people who were good at starting and sustaining content that are now gone.

I believe management should have taken the long view on some of them and let them stick around.
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Well, the other side of things is that the face of theorycrafting for games has evolved. WoW reached the point where there was nearly no reason to have a class sticky, sans for beginner stuff, because you'd just be rehashing the stuff written in the Elitist Jerks guides, for the most part. And they could say it better, and were generally solid at moving from easy access to deeper math stuff, so you could understand the reasoning up to the point you wanted to.

FFXI didn't really need a lot of TC, because there weren't a ton of variables. The game also didn't update often enough to make the content management of guides much effort.
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Well, the other side of things is that the face of theorycrafting for games has evolved. WoW reached the point where there was nearly no reason to have a class sticky, sans for beginner stuff, because you'd just be rehashing the stuff written in the Elitist Jerks guides, for the most part.
Yeah, the number of times we said "go read EJ", or "use the spreadsheet" started getting fairly frequent. Then the number of instances where you'd actually have good reason to deviate from that kind of thing seemed to get less and less as time went along too. Guess the outcome wasn't too surprising looking back. Smiley: rolleyes
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#79 Aug 22 2013 at 12:00 PM Rating: Good
As an Ultra-Orthodox Zamite, I still play EQ.


Apropos of nothing, but the EQ forums are reasonably lively and I have seen new posters in there with some frequency.
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Well, the other side of things is that the face of theorycrafting for games has evolved. WoW reached the point where there was nearly no reason to have a class sticky, sans for beginner stuff, because you'd just be rehashing the stuff written in the Elitist Jerks guides, for the most part.
Yeah, the number of times we said "go read EJ", or "use the spreadsheet" started getting fairly frequent. Then the number of instances where you'd actually have good reason to deviate from that kind of thing seemed to get less and less as time went along too. Guess the outcome wasn't too surprising looking back. Smiley: rolleyes


Hell, it got to the point where you didn't even need much TCing to figure out the ideal build to within 3% of the top DPS potential by yourself. A FEW classes would have major quirks a small bit of logic wouldn't solve.

But for the most part, a BiS talent build meant taking every talent that buffed your major abilities or auto attack at all, any abilities that provided group buffs or running speed, and then the rest didn't really matter.
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I remember when I always had OoT running in the background at work... that was back in the drunken BT days, Sora beer send-a-thons, Pinkytopia and jumping in cars with lions. Definitely made a boring job a wee bit more interesting.
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First Rime's shows up then a bunch of others. Rime, are all of these people really sock accounts of yours?
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#84 Sep 02 2013 at 7:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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I would say that is a pretty accurate summation.
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I would say that is a pretty accurate summation.
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First Rime's shows up then a bunch of others. Rime, are all of these people really sock accounts of yours?



Please, if Usagi were my sock I would have washed it by now.


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Edited, Sep 3rd 2013 5:46pm by NaughtyWord
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No they are all Usagi socks. Remember, for some bizarre reason Zam made him an admin, so he just expropriated a few accounts no one would miss.
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Remember, for some bizarre reason Zam made him an admin
Momentary lapse of reason.
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Pawkeshup, Averter of the apocalypse wrote:
Remember, for some bizarre reason Zam made him an admin
Momentary lapse of reason.

They also made Nix an admin at one point.

I get this feeling that someone in the head office had lost a few too many screws. Only worse choice would be to make gbaji an admin...
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What about Varus? Or more current, Alma.
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#92 Sep 08 2013 at 7:39 AM Rating: Excellent
I'd wager that the only thing that would change if Gbaji were an admin would be that he wouldn't get rated down any more.
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I'd wager that the only thing that would change if Gbaji were an admin would be that he wouldn't get rated down any more.


I am referring to the WTF factor of someone being made admin. Usagi and Nix both kept behaving the same.

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What about Varus? Or more current, Alma.


Yea, you never give stupidity power...
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I still find it amusing that Gbaji, being someone with almost 30k posts, one of the most rated people in the history of the site, has never once used the karma button. Not even accidentially.
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Pawkeshup the Meaningless wrote:
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Pawkeshup, Averter of the apocalypse wrote:
Remember, for some bizarre reason Zam made him an admin
Momentary lapse of reason.

They also made Nix an admin at one point.

I get this feeling that someone in the head office had lost a few too many screws. Only worse choice would be to make gbaji an admin...


For all of the admins aside from myself, being a forum admin is a secondary role. Most of them were selected based on their ability to be on the site regularily, demonstrated ability to constantly enter new content to said site, and familiarity with the game they were made admin for. Not everyone is able to deal with that transition. The site instantly goes from being a recreational area where you go to interact and maybe let off steam, to being work. For the content manager admins, that means more time entering items into databases and writing things, and less time posting, and when you do post, you tend to have to self edit more. It's not just that irritated and outraged users can and do send nastygrams to your bosses (people get cranky when they get banned or yelled at apperently) but you also have to begin to self regulate your own action when someone annoys you on the forum. Absolute power corrupts absolutly and all or something along those lines. Some people find they can't handle it. None of us gets paid enough for the hours we put in, and that can start to generate a sense of resentment. Then you get game expansion launches, where people start expecting all of the new items catelogued on day one, etc. Lots of inconsistant stress factors, and very little oversight in some cases until it is too late. It certanly changes your perspective, thats for sure, and you really can never go back. Sometimes the personality types that make the best content managers make the worst forum admins.

Other times we just like to hire crazy people to **** with everyone's brains.
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#96 Sep 08 2013 at 2:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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I still find it amusing that Gbaji, being someone with almost 30k posts, one of the most rated people in the history of the site, has never once used the karma button. Not even accidentially.
That actually is kinda impressive.
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#97 Sep 08 2013 at 3:34 PM Rating: Decent
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
Pawkeshup the Meaningless wrote:
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Pawkeshup, Averter of the apocalypse wrote:
Remember, for some bizarre reason Zam made him an admin
Momentary lapse of reason.

They also made Nix an admin at one point.

I get this feeling that someone in the head office had lost a few too many screws. Only worse choice would be to make gbaji an admin...


For all of the admins aside from myself, being a forum admin is a secondary role. Most of them were selected based on their ability to be on the site regularily, demonstrated ability to constantly enter new content to said site, and familiarity with the game they were made admin for. Not everyone is able to deal with that transition. The site instantly goes from being a recreational area where you go to interact and maybe let off steam, to being work. For the content manager admins, that means more time entering items into databases and writing things, and less time posting, and when you do post, you tend to have to self edit more. It's not just that irritated and outraged users can and do send nastygrams to your bosses (people get cranky when they get banned or yelled at apperently) but you also have to begin to self regulate your own action when someone annoys you on the forum. Absolute power corrupts absolutly and all or something along those lines. Some people find they can't handle it. None of us gets paid enough for the hours we put in, and that can start to generate a sense of resentment. Then you get game expansion launches, where people start expecting all of the new items catelogued on day one, etc. Lots of inconsistant stress factors, and very little oversight in some cases until it is too late. It certanly changes your perspective, thats for sure, and you really can never go back. Sometimes the personality types that make the best content managers make the worst forum admins.

Other times we just like to hire crazy people to **** with everyone's brains.


hehe Kao... never confuse my posts for anything remotely serious.

I've been a forum admin previously a few places, and yes, it does change how you handle things. You know my posting habits well, having seen me here. You'd think someone else used my username on the forums I admin'd. There were no massive posting tears, no snap decisions. I would have actually been viewed as a harsher admin than any on this site, to be honest. I was hard but fair. People didn't like me lots for that, because I was "killing the lulz", but forums need a sense of order, or users bail.

Usagi and Nixnot were actually excellent choices from the community. It would not seem that way when you see how they post, but they were both very aware of what the forums were, where the lines were, and how to handle problem users on the forum. And yes, they did very well in their time. And yes, being an admin is thankless. Very few admins are well liked, fewer still widely respected. It's impressive Zam actually sports so many admins that are, in fact, well liked.
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#98 Sep 08 2013 at 11:15 PM Rating: Good
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
I still find it amusing that Gbaji, being someone with almost 30k posts, one of the most rated people in the history of the site, has never once used the karma button. Not even accidentially.



That's because it is too short.

Make it a paragraph and he might find interest in it.

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#99 Sep 08 2013 at 11:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Pawkeshup the Meaningless wrote:

Usagi [...]but they were both very aware of what the forums were, where the lines were[...]



You've got to be kidding.


NERF TEH ASYLUM!

I like Usagi well enough but making him an admin was a joke; a bad one at that.

But he got some bennies and self-appointed Guru out of the deal. Good scam on his part.

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#100 Sep 08 2013 at 11:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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Pawkeshup, Averter of the apocalypse wrote:
Remember, for some bizarre reason Zam made him an admin
Momentary lapse of reason.

Said Pink Floyd.
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#101 Sep 09 2013 at 12:28 AM Rating: Excellent
PunkFloyd, King of Bards wrote:
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
Pawkeshup, Averter of the apocalypse wrote:
Remember, for some bizarre reason Zam made him an admin
Momentary lapse of reason.

Said Pink Floyd.
Said some guys who called themselves Pink Floyd, but totally were not, really.Smiley: mad
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