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#1 May 15 2013 at 8:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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So I've been posting here for some time... and I notice my "rating" oscillates between Decent and Good.

I suspect this has something to do with how "FFXIV" friendly my comments are, because every time I say something that can in any way be construed as negative towards the game, sure enough I find my rating bumped down to "decent."

Can anyone confirm how this is determined, and just WHO is determining this?
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#4 May 15 2013 at 8:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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We haven't had a decent karma thread in a while.
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#5 May 15 2013 at 8:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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The exact mechanics have changed over time so I'm not certain what they are at the moment. A very simplified explanation is that your rating is an average of those up and down arrows you see. Any poster with pretty much a decent or higher rating may rate your posts.

The system is largely irrelevant. No one cares about it and barely anyone uses it. I've probably rated five or fewer posts within the last year, and they were probably spam ads. It's best for you to completely ignore it and not attach a ounce of self esteem to the system.

Edited, May 15th 2013 9:30pm by Allegory
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The system is largely irrelevant. No one cares about it and barely anyone uses it. I've probably rated five or fewer posts within the last year, and they were probably spam ads. It's best for you to completely ignore it and not attach a ounce of self esteem to the system.
I'm pretty sure I've rated more posts than that this week, though they were probably almost all spam ads. The part about not attaching your self esteem to the system is probably still valid, though. Everyone knows self esteem is really based on postcount, anyway.




Edited, May 16th 2013 12:07am by Poldaran
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The exact mechanics have changed over time so I'm not certain what they are at the moment. A very simplified explanation is that your rating is an average of those up and down arrows you don't see. Any poster with pretty much a decent or higher rating may rate your posts.
FTFY.
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We haven't had a decent karma thread in a while.

Well, no one strives for "decent" karma so why would you make a thread about it?
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Theophany wrote:
YOU'RE AN ELITIST @#%^ AETHIEN, NO WONDER YOU HAVE NO FRIENDS AND PEOPLE HATE YOU.
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Aethien you take more terrible pictures than a Japanese tourist.
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Iamadam wrote:
We haven't had a decent karma thread in a while.

Well, no one strives for "decent" karma so why would you make a thread about it?


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#12 May 16 2013 at 8:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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I could rate your down if you want to.
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#14 May 16 2013 at 8:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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Karma thread? Karma thread.

Also, aside from the awesome color of your name, Karma means nothing. Aside from being a measure of your worth on the forums.
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The internet, where I learned the truth about despair, as will you. There's a reason why this forum is the worst **** on Earth ... Karma. Every man who has ventured here over the centuries has looked up to the light and imagined climbing to freedom. So easy ... So simple ... And like shipwrecked men turning to sea water from uncontrollable thirst, many have died trying. I learned here that there can be no true despair without karma. So, as I terrorize Zam, I will feed it's people karma to poison their souls. I will let them believe they can survive so that you can watch them clamoring over each other to "stay in the sun." You can watch me torture an entire forum and when you have truly understood the depth of your failure, we will fulfill AllaKhazam's destiny ... We will destroy Zam and then, when it is done and Zam is ashes, then you have my permission to die.

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Karma thread? Karma thread.

Also, aside from the awesome color of your name, Karma means nothing. Aside from being a measure of your worth on the forums.
Karma thread!

And postcount > karma.
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#20 May 16 2013 at 1:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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Theophany wrote:
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Aethien you take more terrible pictures than a Japanese tourist.
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Vataro wrote:
Karma thread? Karma thread.

Also, aside from the awesome color of your name, Karma means nothing. Aside from being a measure of your worth on the forums.
Karma thread!

And postcount > karma.


Yea I'm working on that.
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Aethien you take more terrible pictures than a Japanese tourist.
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#23 May 16 2013 at 3:36 PM Rating: Excellent
I would like to contribute to this stellar conversation.
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I would like to contribute to this stellar conversation.
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Theophany wrote:
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Aethien you take more terrible pictures than a Japanese tourist.
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PunkFloyd, King of Bards wrote:
I would like to contribute to this stellar conversation.
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I enjoy the banter and therefore I am quoting it!
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Pawkeshup, Immortal Lion wrote:
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
PunkFloyd, King of Bards wrote:
I would like to contribute to this stellar conversation.
Your contribution is appreciated.

I enjoy the banter and therefore I am quoting it!
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Funny story.

I work for an alarm company in their consumer technical support department. Basically glorified phone monkey work. One of the system communicates troubles via numeric indicators. So I tell the client to put in the command to display troubles. I ask her what she sees. She says:

"I see two small circles, one on top of the other."

I think for a moment, and say:

"Do you mean an 8?"

She laughed and said yes.

Yes. We have ******* rocket scientists for clients.
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I work as a graphic designer, I feel you on the stupid clients. Only I turn into a glorified mouse and get forced to violate the pretty things I make because the client is a ******.
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Would that make a 9 a circle with a curved *****?
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Alright je355804, tell you what I can do if you like. Your base karma to this point is less than 3.00. Significantly so. Which means that for whatever reason, the majority of people have found your previous posts as a whole less than ideal.

I have at my disposal, a "one time only, reset your Karma to 3.0 factory default" That I can and will use on your account if you would like me to. This is a one time only thing. We offer them to most people who fall below 3.0 as a way to compensate for some of the quirks of the system self reinforcing mechinism. After I press the button, your base karma will reset across the board to 3.00. You will then rise or fall on your own merits from that point. The question is, do you want to use the reset button now, or wait until later?

Either way, let me know.

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I think we have a prank idea for when a certain poster hits his 70,000th post.

Edited, May 16th 2013 7:45pm by TirithRR
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#33 May 16 2013 at 7:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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Alright je355804, tell you what I can do if you like. Your base karma to this point is less than 3.00. Significantly so. Which means that for whatever reason, the majority of people have found your previous posts as a whole less than ideal.

I have at my disposal, a "one time only, reset your Karma to 3.0 factory default" That I can and will use on your account if you would like me to. This is a one time only thing. We offer them to most people who fall below 3.0 as a way to compensate for some of the quirks of the system self reinforcing mechinism. After I press the button, your base karma will reset across the board to 3.00. You will then rise or fall on your own merits from that point. The question is, do you want to use the reset button now, or wait until later?

Either way, let me know.

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I'd take the deal je355804. It's a one-time offer, how can you afford to wait?
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TirithRR wrote:
I think we have a prank idea for when a certain poster hits his 70,000th post.


It's deliberatly coded so it can only be triggerd if base karma <= 3.00
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I'd take the deal je355804. It's a one-time offer, how can you afford to wait?


Technically it's a one time action. I suppose i could push it more than once, but my policy so far has been "You get one chance for redemption, don't **** it up". I will say it very rarely makes any difference though.
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#36 May 16 2013 at 9:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'd take the deal je355804. It's a one-time offer, how can you afford to wait?
Technically it's a one time action. I suppose i could push it more than once, but my policy so far has been "You get one chance for redemption, don't @#%^ it up". I will say it very rarely makes any difference though.
One of the rare exceptions being Tailmon.

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I have at my disposal, a "one time only, reset your Karma to 3.0 factory default" That I can and will use on your account if you would like me to. This is a one time only thing. We offer them to most people who fall below 3.0 as a way to compensate for some of the quirks of the system self reinforcing mechinism. After I press the button, your base karma will reset across the board to 3.00. You will then rise or fall on your own merits from that point. The question is, do you want to use the reset button now, or wait until later?

Either way, let me know.

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Ermahgerd, my karma just stays good no matter what I do.

Do you have a "one time only, bump to guru" button back there, Kao? Also, on a related note, do you prefer your bribe in dollars or shells?
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Ermahgerd, my karma just stays good no matter what I do.

Do you have a "one time only, bump to guru" button back there, Kao? Also, on a related note, do you prefer your bribe in dollars or shells?
I think he's taking Batcoins, nowadays.
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i read the title as "Just wanted to be Cool", it is so hard to wake up on Fridays :3
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Dammit I avoid the OOT for a few days and completely miss a karma thread.

lolgaxe +1 tends to get most of my green arrows because he's funny.

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#42 May 17 2013 at 7:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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Dammit I avoid the OOT for a few days and completely miss a karma thread.

lolgaxe +1 tends to get most of my green arrows because he's funny.

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If I were to down-rate Lolgaxe for the posts that were unfunny at the same rate that I uprate him for posts that are funny. It would probably be a wash.

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The exact mechanics have changed over time so I'm not certain what they are at the moment. A very simplified explanation is that your rating is an average of those up and down arrows you see. Any poster with pretty much a decent or higher rating may rate your posts.


Late to the show, but just so you know... also, Kao can delete this if it's some kind of SUPAR SECREET information. I sorta doubt it, as we old-timers all knew of it back before the changes.

Numerical explanation - you have an overall karma score. The starting score is 3.00. Every time you post, your post is rated at that score twice. When you are rated up (6.00) or down (1.00) the scores are all averaged. So if you had a 3.00 score, and posted, it reads as

Poster: 3.00
Poster: 3.00

And then that gets modified by ratings. So,


Poster: 3.00
Poster: 3.00
Allegory: 6.00

would give that particular post a karma of 4.00. Your own karma on future posts will also be increased.

You get titles based on your overall karma; none for 2.00 to 2.99, Scholar for 3.00 to 3.66 (Decent rating), Sage is 3.67 to like... 4.33 (Good rating)? I forget, might be 4.66. Guru is above that (Excellent rating). And then there are custom titles given out for folks with way too many posts (10k+, usually).

IIRC, these numbers were all made invisible several years ago due to drama. They're still there, but you can't see them. Also, a Nuke is -15.00 (but I don't think it affects your overall karma), a ban is -50.00 and sets your karma to that, and Admin status is 5.00. Unless you're Kao, then you have an innate 5.03 Smiley: lol If you lose Admin status, you go back to whatever your posting karma was prior to that - not sure if all those 5.00 posts made as an admin count in the overall karma. I hope so Smiley: grin

Edit: And yes, nobody really cares about Karma. Making the numbers invisible probably did help a lot.

Edited, May 17th 2013 1:49pm by LockeColeMA
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#45 May 17 2013 at 11:59 AM Rating: Excellent
There are also a few regular users above 5. What's amusing is that when you rate them up their displayed karma actually goes down.

Edited, May 17th 2013 1:03pm by Xsarus
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There is also the downrate penalty box too. Multiple negative rates in a row result in a -2.00 rate being applied, to drop a bad thread faster. So a rating string could look like:

Poster: 3.00
Poster: 3.00
Allegory: 1.00
Bob 1.00
3rd angry user -2.00

Rating a post positive 6.00 in between 1.00 rates resets the penalty hit rate.

Rates also do not count towards your base karma until you hit 15 posts. There is some weighting stuff in there as well

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There are also a few regular users above 5. What's amusing is that when you rate them up their displayed karma actually goes down.

Edited, May 17th 2013 1:03pm by Xsarus

I know exactly who you mean Smiley: lol Always made me wonder how that worked... maybe it factored in ratings from a deleted forum, but not the number of posts? A bit odd.
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Those came about as the result of a short lived rounding bug. Basically, your karma is a rolling average calculation that updates your base karma and the last few hundred posts once you get to a certain number of posts. Instead of taking the karma from all 28,662 posts (ignoring several somewhat unique exceptions relating to older accounts, and mine in particular, at least 57324 ratings) and then taking the average, which does bring the forum to it's knees, the system assumes a value of 5.03 in my case since i'm one of the people with the bug, and compares that against the last 500 or so posts worth of ratings, which is a much smaller mathmatical chore. That has the tendancy to reinforce the existing rating on people who have exceptionally large numbers of posts, and reduces the effectiveness of targetted karma camping to a managable level. That combined with the whole "admins are the only one that can rate really old posts" thing too.
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#50 May 17 2013 at 1:49 PM Rating: Decent
You should just set my Karma to 5.00 for the lulz

No, not because I want a pretty name either. I only ever cared to get enough Karma to rate people because I like clicking arrows.
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So here's a question. Who came up with this system?
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