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#27 Mar 14 2013 at 7:53 AM Rating: Good
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Ok, I propose changing 'In God we trust" to "OMG".
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#28 Mar 14 2013 at 8:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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(and I'm pretty sure not all religions worship a deity)
All the ones worth mentioning do.
Properly understood, Buddhism does not worship a deity. If I remember correctly, Taoism, or "The Way", does not worship a deity either.

You trying to make my point for me?
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#29 Mar 14 2013 at 3:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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Even if every religion worshiped a deity, not everyone is religious.

I would love to see this come off of our currency. But if they don't, I'm not going to lose sleep over it.
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Even if every religion worshiped a deity, not everyone is religious.

Everyone worth mentioning is.
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#31 Mar 14 2013 at 5:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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Even if every religion worshiped a deity, not everyone is religious.

Everyone worth mentioning is.


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#32 Mar 14 2013 at 6:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Out of all the nit picks and ******* about separation of Church and State though, I think this is the most legitimate.


I disagree. It's "an" issue to nit over, but not the most "legitimate". At least not if by "legitimate" we mean the degree to which it's actually in violation of the 1st amendment, upon which the principle of Separation of Church and State rests. The 1st amendment specifically forbids congress from passing laws respecting an establishment of religion. Obviously, this has been extended to "all levels of government", but still applies to the passage of laws (so legislature).

The change of the US motto from "E Pluribus Unum" to "In God We Trust" can clearly be argued to be a violation of that amendment, but the placing of those words on our coins, ironically, is not. Those words were placed on US coins long before Congress changed the motto (motto changed in 1956, but "In God We Trust" has been on US currency since 1864. The reason the words on our coins is not a violation of the 1st amendment is because the words and symbols on the coins are at the discretion of the Secretary of Treasury. While Congress passed a law *allowing* the Secretary to do so (basically giving up Congressional control over what coins could say), currently it's up to that Secretary, and thus it arguably not in violation of the 1st amendment.

Are we talking about loopholes here? Sure. But that's what makes this not be the most legitimate of nits to pick on this issue. All the other side has to say is "there's no law requiring those words be on our coins", and the case is more or less closed.

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This would be nice, but it doesn't seem like such a big deal to me. At least not compared to some of the other things, like "under god" in the pledge they make school kids say every day...


This is a vastly more legitimate one. The public school system is established and funded by act of congress. The requirement for the pledge to be spoken was created by act of congress. And the words that are to be included in the pledge to be spoken are also established by act of congress. It's about as clear cut a violation of the principle at hand as you could get. I'd start there if you want to really make headway on this issue. Of course, all that has to be done to fix this is for congress to pass a law leaving the pledge decision up to the individual schools or districts, and walk away from it. Then you have to go fight each school and convince them to change their policies if you don't like it. Which may be more trouble than it's worth.
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#33 Mar 15 2013 at 5:28 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Aripyanfar wrote:
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(and I'm pretty sure not all religions worship a deity)
All the ones worth mentioning do.
Properly understood, Buddhism does not worship a deity. If I remember correctly, Taoism, or "The Way", does not worship a deity either.

You trying to make my point for me?
Going for Bigot Of The Week, for a change?
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#34 Mar 15 2013 at 5:36 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
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(and I'm pretty sure not all religions worship a deity)

All the ones worth mentioning do.


Does the Force count as a deity?
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Going for Bigot Of The Week, for a change?

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#36 Mar 15 2013 at 10:51 AM Rating: Good
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While it's a long thread, I'm not sure it's a week old yet. I could be wrong.
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#37 Mar 15 2013 at 12:29 PM Rating: Good
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#39 Mar 15 2013 at 2:38 PM Rating: Excellent
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Belkira wrote:
I would love to see this come off of our currency. But if they don't, I'm not going to lose sleep over it.


My much my thought. Is it an endorsement of religion? Seems pretty obvious that it is. Does it harm anyone? I cannot possibly imagine it doing so.

Would be kinda fun to see all the fundies flip out if new currency was released without the motto, though.
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#40 Mar 15 2013 at 3:10 PM Rating: Good
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I suggest writing God Hates Us All on there instead.
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Would be kinda fun to see all the fundies flip out if new currency was released without the motto, though.

You only have to read the reactions from the people who didn't think to look along the side of the dollar coins.
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#42 Mar 15 2013 at 6:44 PM Rating: Good
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You really DO seem to be the United States of Canada and Jesusland, all smooshed into one. Is it as uncomfortable as Sunnis smooshed in with Shiites, or Hutus smooshed in with Tutesies?
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#43 Mar 16 2013 at 7:05 AM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
I disagree. I'd say active use of public land for worship is more egregious than rote script.

This.

As a Christian, I'm against the "pledge" in entirety. I don't see public prayers moments of silence as a big deal, but I can understand the concern against them.

As for money, I think that's silly. You can throw a Buddha, tree, unicorn, etc. on it and I wouldn't care. As long as it isn't blatantly derogatory.
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Mazra wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
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(and I'm pretty sure not all religions worship a deity)

All the ones worth mentioning do.


Does the Force count as a deity?


That would depend on your criteria of what constitutes as a "diety." Merriam-Webster doesn't have "consciousness" or "sentience" within their definition of the word. Being a power greater than oneself, it would qualify to any who choose to call it that.
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No no no nonono no more definition threads.
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#46 Mar 18 2013 at 12:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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Thread? Smiley: confused
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Didn't we already hash this **** out with Tailmon like six years ago?
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