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#27 Jan 23 2013 at 4:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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Iamadam wrote:

I think the problem I've been having lately is that I'm not really having 'rest' days. I'll do 1-2 workouts a day plus or minus some activities (volleyball, hockey). What are peoples thoughts on rest days? How many should I have?

It probably depends on the intensity of your workouts and what you want out of exercise. I've heard that for building muscle you should have at least one day in between workouts (but if you focus on a particular group one day you could do another the next). For cardio I'd probably just try and work on how you feel, if your muscles hurt right at the start (or even before) you exercise then you might be overdoing it, if everything's fine then you've probably got one of your days where the exercise you're doing is light enough that your body can recover from more intense workouts.

My plan is to keep at least 1 day free a week because I really don't want to injure myself from overwork and end up having to take weeks off from everything to recover.
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#29 Jan 23 2013 at 8:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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I walk several miles a day, but that's about it. I usually do about 2-3 miles to and from work, and 2-3 during my lunch break. I also (1-2 times a week) lift some dumbbells while watching TV at home; biceps and triceps.

Also, joined a biggest loser competition at work; currently tied for last place, only having lost .69% of my body mass after 3 weeks Smiley: laugh

I plan on restarting the P90X on Monday (which is a holiday). It's gonna kill, but I have several friends promising to hold me to it.

Been doing, er, "shortened" versions of the P90X since Monday. Shortened because I typically last half an hour before collapsing Smiley: grin The first day was "chest and back" exercises, and by 30 minutes in my upper body was shaking like a drug addict in need of a fix. Yesterday I did 2/3 of the Cardio X video; stopped halfway through the Plyometrics workout, which was a good choice as my legs are sore this morning (Cardio X + 2 1/2 hours of working yesterday is wiping me out).

Hopefully I can keep going with it... we'll see. I usually manage one week and fall apart on week two. Best I've ever done is a month. And I'm going to have company over from Friday through Sunday, so... we'll see how it goes Smiley: glare
#30 Jan 23 2013 at 9:36 AM Rating: Good
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I've been doing P90X since early December and thinking of switching to Insanity. Tues, Thurs, and Sat I also go up to the gym with the boyfriend and do light weight training and more cardio plus 30-45min worth of laps in the pool. I would not step foot in a gym but because he is a student, he goes for free and I only have to pay a nominal fee as a guest. I forgot how heavenly a heated pool can be when it is 30-40 degrees outside.
#31 Jan 23 2013 at 10:31 AM Rating: Good
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LockeColeMA wrote:
Been doing, er, "shortened" versions of the P90X since Monday. Shortened because I typically last half an hour before collapsing Smiley: grin The first day was "chest and back" exercises, and by 30 minutes in my upper body was shaking like a drug addict in need of a fix. Yesterday I did 2/3 of the Cardio X video; stopped halfway through the Plyometrics workout, which was a good choice as my legs are sore this morning (Cardio X + 2 1/2 hours of working yesterday is wiping me out).

Hopefully I can keep going with it... we'll see. I usually manage one week and fall apart on week two. Best I've ever done is a month. And I'm going to have company over from Friday through Sunday, so... we'll see how it goes Smiley: glare


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#32 Jan 23 2013 at 10:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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Iamadam wrote:
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Been doing, er, "shortened" versions of the P90X since Monday. Shortened because I typically last half an hour before collapsing Smiley: grin The first day was "chest and back" exercises, and by 30 minutes in my upper body was shaking like a drug addict in need of a fix. Yesterday I did 2/3 of the Cardio X video; stopped halfway through the Plyometrics workout, which was a good choice as my legs are sore this morning (Cardio X + 2 1/2 hours of working yesterday is wiping me out).

Hopefully I can keep going with it... we'll see. I usually manage one week and fall apart on week two. Best I've ever done is a month. And I'm going to have company over from Friday through Sunday, so... we'll see how it goes Smiley: glare


You won't see any progress with an attitude like that.

Currently I'm trying to lose weight, not bulk up Smiley: tongue With an ~1800 calorie diet, walking several miles a day, and doing a good 30 minutes of intense workouts, I expect to see the pounds drop fairly quickly.

I'm winning that biggest loser competition, dammit! Smiley: mad
#33 Jan 23 2013 at 10:40 AM Rating: Good
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I wouldn't think that P90X is ideal to help you lose weight. I always thought of it as a routine to help you bulk and tone up.
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#34 Jan 23 2013 at 11:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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Iamadam wrote:
What are peoples thoughts on rest days? How many should I have?
If you're trying to bulk up, you want more time to rest to give your muscles time to rebuild. If you're only interested in conditioning and/or maintenance then I'd say one day of rest is more than enough.
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Looks stupid so I joined. PunkFloyd
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I already exercise regularly. I have for years. It's the broadcasting of it on a website that I find stupid. That being said, I'm level 2.

I've been doing P90X for about a year now. I did the program twice through, but now I just cherry pick workouts throughout the week and do a lot of running and some elliptical for cardio. P90X is great for bulking/toning up, but for weight loss I've found that running really works the best for me.
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#36 Jan 23 2013 at 12:46 PM Rating: Good
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Iamadam wrote:
What are peoples thoughts on rest days? How many should I have?
If you're trying to bulk up, you want more time to rest to give your muscles time to rebuild. If you're only interested in conditioning and/or maintenance then I'd say one day of rest is more than enough.


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#37 Jan 28 2013 at 8:10 PM Rating: Good
hour walk at lunch but winters are either 20F or 40F and rain so ...

I torrented a bunch of infomercial workouts, did Insanity for like two weeks last year and it was brutal. Jillian Michaels 30 minute workout was pretty decent and 10 minute trainer is great but you really need to do 2+ 10 min segments a day to see much from it.
#38 Jan 28 2013 at 8:48 PM Rating: Good
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hour walk at lunch


There used to be a younger woman at work who was very overweight (I'd estimate somewhere around 350 lbs). She'd also wear clothes probably two sizes too small for herself. Guys in the shop would constantly make fun of her (behind her back), etc. I'd feel kind of bad because I'd laugh at the jokes, and at Lunch you'd see her walking laps around the parking lot.

But then of course for the mid morning break, she'd have a frozen hamburger and two corn dogs from the frozen food vending machine, and would always have a non-diet soda two-liter sitting at her work station, so I stopped feeling bad.

So remember... Walking doesn't do **** if you still eat crap like that.
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#39 Jan 28 2013 at 11:21 PM Rating: Decent
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I torrented a bunch of infomercial workouts, did Insanity for like two weeks last year and it was brutal..


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#40 Jan 29 2013 at 5:34 AM Rating: Good
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Hallertau wrote:
hour walk at lunch


There used to be a younger woman at work who was very overweight (I'd estimate somewhere around 350 lbs). She'd also wear clothes probably two sizes too small for herself. Guys in the shop would constantly make fun of her (behind her back), etc. I'd feel kind of bad because I'd laugh at the jokes, and at Lunch you'd see her walking laps around the parking lot.

But then of course for the mid morning break, she'd have a frozen hamburger and two corn dogs from the frozen food vending machine, and would always have a non-diet soda two-liter sitting at her work station, so I stopped feeling bad.

So remember... Walking doesn't do sh*t if you still eat crap like that.


Yeah I never understood those people, I guess good intentions but that won't do sh*t for fat burning. My walks would burn on average 3 weight watcher points, my breakfast, snack and lunch would normally equate to 3 points which gets me to dinner and beer with a full days worth of points @ 6pm at night.

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I torrented a bunch of infomercial workouts, did Insanity for like two weeks last year and it was brutal..


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#41 Jan 29 2013 at 6:26 AM Rating: Good
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It's just too bad that craft beers aren't exactly light on the calories right?
#42 Jan 29 2013 at 1:57 PM Rating: Good
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It's just too bad that craft beers aren't exactly light on the calories right?


Light Beer is 3 points, Regular are 5 points. According to Weight Watchers, beer is zero points without taking alcohol content into consideration. The higher the alc (like most craft beers) the higher the points but its a pain to calculate so I consider anything above light 5 points because my body burns alcohol like a furnace.
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Well, bring on the barrel aged imperial stouts then! Smiley: tongue
#44 Jan 31 2013 at 7:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Hallertau wrote:
TirithRR wrote:
There used to be a younger woman at work who was very overweight (I'd estimate somewhere around 350 lbs). She'd also wear clothes probably two sizes too small for herself. Guys in the shop would constantly make fun of her (behind her back), etc. I'd feel kind of bad because I'd laugh at the jokes, and at Lunch you'd see her walking laps around the parking lot.

But then of course for the mid morning break, she'd have a frozen hamburger and two corn dogs from the frozen food vending machine, and would always have a non-diet soda two-liter sitting at her work station, so I stopped feeling bad.

So remember... Walking doesn't do sh*t if you still eat crap like that.


Yeah I never understood those people, I guess good intentions but that won't do sh*t for fat burning.


It think we need to sort out some things here:

To lose weight, you have to burn more calories than you take in. Simple as that. Your daily caloric sum* needs to be negative to lose weight. Doesn't matter if you eat fried chocolate bars and drink carbonated soda all day long, as long as your caloric sum stays negative.

Now, using the woman mentioned above as an example: Assuming her weight, prior to her exercising, was somewhat in balance (caloric sum is zero, or close to it), she might actually be losing weight, or at least no longer be gaining it, despite her continued intake of large and unhealthy meals. If her weight was in balance, the exercising would create the caloric deficit needed to start the weight loss.

Of course, eating unhealthy can lead to other issues, such as diabetes, gallstones and/or obstipation, but for the purpose of losing weight, the type of food you ingest doesn't matter**, as long as your caloric sum stays negative.

Just thought I'd bring it up since you guys think that eating junk food makes weight loss impossible. It doesn't, but it's not healthy. Also, counting points is silly. Just eat less than you used to. Boom, weight loss achieved.

* Caloric sum = calories in - calories out
** Healthy food usually enables you to reach satiety with less calories taken in, making it easier to reach the caloric deficit needed to lose weight.

Edited, Jan 31st 2013 2:28pm by Mazra
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#45 Jan 31 2013 at 7:52 AM Rating: Good
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Just eat less than you used to. Boom, weight loss achieved.
Assuming, of course, that your decrease in eating doesn't reduce your metabolism or sap you of the energy you need to keep up your current activity level.
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Which is why those crash diets where you go down to 500 a day are ridiculous.

Yes, you lose weight real snappylike, but the moment you start eating more than a grapefruit a day, you'll gain weight super duper fast. Patience is a virtue when it comes to losing weight.
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#47 Jan 31 2013 at 9:52 AM Rating: Good
It's also not quite as simple as "calorie in < calorie out" because numerous studies are now showing that your internal gut biome also has a lot to do with your metabolism's efficiency. Naturally skinny people have inefficient gut bacteria. People who can't lose weight no matter how much they cut down (within safe levels) have overly efficient gut bacteria. Those folks have to add a lot more to the exercise of the equation to make a dent. Eventually, the diet industry hopes to develop a pro-biotic that has a mix of inefficient bacteria that can replace the hard working gut biome in a fat person with a bunch of lazy bacteria that kind of half-*** digestion instead. It's not easy, though.
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An inefficient gut biome just speeds up the process, it's not a requirement for losing weight. A super efficient gut biome can't extract more calories from a meal than there are calories available. As long as your caloric intake is less than your caloric expenditure, you will lose weight.

Anyone claiming they can take in less calories than they spend and not lose weight are superhuman and need to phone Stan Lee, because they've gained the ability to create mass from nothing. Congratulations.

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#49 Feb 01 2013 at 9:19 PM Rating: Good
A calorie (specifically, a kilocalorie) is actually really nothing more than an estimate. What we call a calorie refers to the amount of energy needed to heat up one gram of water one degree celcius. But a lot of science shows that our measurements of that energy in food are inaccurate, because processing and cooking change the bioavailaibility of those calories. Cooked carrots do not, in theory, contain any more calories than their raw counterparts, at least not until you add butter and cinnamon and sugar. But the heating process used to cook them, whether steaming or boiling, alters the protein structure, softening it and ultimately making it easier to digest. The gut biome is going to be able to extra more calories from the cooked carrots than it will the raw carrots, even though on paper they still have the same calories.

That's one reason the raw food enthusiasts are so thin and "healthy." They claim it's because their bodies are able to extract nutrients from the raw foods they eat better, but in reality it's the opposite. On the other hand, I've met fat vegans before.

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What we call a calorie refers to the amount of energy needed to heat up one gram of water one degree celcius.


Calories are a measurement of energy. More precisely, one calorie equals 4.184 joules, which is also the approximate amount of energy needed to heat up one gram of water by one degree Kelvin/Celsius. It's also the approximate amount of energy needed to lift four small apples one meter into the air.

Still doesn't change the fact that spending more energy than you take in equals loss of energy and therefore mass. Our body will try to slow down the process by lowering our metabolism, but as long as we receive less energy than we spend, our body has to convert mass into energy to balance out the deficit. It's science, baby. Can't argue with it.
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