I put on my robe and... well, I feel like a wizard. Follow

You eat meat because you like the way it tastes, no?

Of course not, you'd go to the butcher.

I've been confused about a few texts from the Quran on the whole haraam food thing. Maybe you can explain to me or ask one of your buddies on the matter.



I might be interpreting it wrong but let me give it a shot; the three bold texts state that out of necessity it would not be haraam to ingest the forbidden. So if they were starving and the only livestock around was a pig by eating it out of necessity to survive it would not be haraam? Or am I completely off?

It seems though that giving something that is haraam to someone is kind of messed up because they are knowingly causing someone to commit haraam which displeases their deity. Is there a law which forbids leading people into haraam?

So how would you feel then if the FDA passed a regulation so fast food places can no longer serve anything bigger than a medium portion by today's standard of what "medium" is?

In circa 2004 many high schools in the state of Washington discontinued coke/pepsi machines in the cafeterias and additionally stopped frying foods.

Upon this the U.S. Navy also has removed deep fryers from galleys on many ships and will no longer be installed on any new ships being built.

In Islamic countries there is religious ideology regarding laws on food consumption but the U.S. does something to the same effect with the food and drug administration.

The fact that anyone would have a hissy fit over being told they can't eat something is ridiculous. One's taste buds and stomach should not rule their life.

The point though is; Kalivha obviously cares more about their culture and is willing to conform. Also she doesn't like pork.

Yup, but I take no pleasure in the slaughter itself.

We could also argue that "taste" a part of our survival instinct, which includes a desire to eat certain foods in order to replenish lost resources, and a varied meal in order to stay healthy. That is the psychological explanation as to why some humans, when presented with a buffet, have a tendency to pick a bit of everything instead of a lot of one thing.

Ever had a craving for a particular food? Whenever I get a cold, I begin to crave bell peppers. When you get an infection, your body burns through vitamin C like crazy. We cannot create vitamin C in our bodies ourselves, so we have to ingest it. Bell peppers contain, among other things, a high concentration of vitamin C.

Can we be held accountable for neurobiological and completely autonomous functions? And are you saying that if we enjoy eating meat, supporting a less cruel way to acquire the meat is hypocritical?

I have mixed feelings on it. On one hand, it seems like a lot of people (and I'm not guilt-free of this) lack the ability to use their willpower to eat a balanced diet. Maybe it would be better for the government to have a small amount of control to help people eat healthier. On the other hand, I'm a big fan of having the freedom to do what I want with my body.

The large soda thing is stupid though. If people care enough, they'll just get a refill on the medium soda, or buy two of them.

I suppose because research and statistics finds its way into lawmakers minds. Or lobbyists...it could be that too.

The responses I have heard are always along the lines of people being incapable of eating healthy and that the statistics show obesity is rampart in America. Like the stereotype of "Everything is bigger in Texas." Albeit I do believe the obesity rate in Texas is pretty high.

That being said one could go out on a limb and say that because people are incapable of staying healthy they are indirectly causing problems for the rest of society. Though that is rather stretching it.

The FDA regulates different things based on research as far as I know. I do feel though that I personally wouldn't be bothered by that regulation being placed. As I know how to consume in moderation. Now someone who cannot control their stomach I would assume it would **** them off.

Now then I see no reason why a fast food place couldn't dictate their portion sizes. A business I think does have the right to dictate what their customers can order.

Your question of who can dictate what is something I cannot answer as there are far too many variables that can give support to either side of the argument. The idea of benefiting the whole can be used and the idea that people can make their own choices can be used. So whatever happens happens. Either suck it up princess or start a movement to change said things.

I think that may be the argument's main fighting point that when someone's choices starts affecting others. Kind of like one bad apple ruins the bunch. Everyone is affected.

Alas life is not fair.

Edited, Jun 6th 2012 1:53pm by Sogoro

If this was a Provincial discussion, I could understand it as they pay for Healthcare, although I still disagree with it. However, this is being brought up at the municipal level.

Sogoro, regarding that passage, basically it's fine to eat whatever if there's no choice - it depends on individual where that line is and obviously there are "official" rulings (as far as anything is official in mainstream Islam), but there are some people (converts) who will eat half a pig with red wine sauce for Christmas (celebrating Christmas is also at the very least discouraged) for the sake of keeping their family happy. I'll just say that the argument for doing this is rather weak (parents are important, but we shouldn't indulge their disbelief - I'd give a citation but I'm tired right now) but ultimately it's up to the individual and people making such a huge deal about diet is kind of a PR thing anyway.


Edit: I think the standard interpretation would be that yes, if there's nothing else edible within a mile of where you are, it's okay to go cook that boar carcass you found by the roadside.

I'm basing this on the fact that the same applies for washing if there is no water (i.e. a mile's radius of no clean/halal water) - you can use stones or sand in that case instead. I don't know the details because I can usually find water, and if I have to wash my feet in the kitchen sink, so be it!

Edited, Jun 7th 2012 6:00am by Kalivha

They really need to update some of their arguments. That cholesterol section in particular seems to be a holdover from the old days.

Also...Yeah, these folks need some protein and fat in their diets. Their brains have stopped functioning.

The more I think about it, the part I find funniest about what I quoted isn't that the extinction has nothing to do with meat. It's that the Spinosaurus was bigger.

He evolved into the vulture, so that he had the opportunity to feast on weak-*** herbivores that collapse in a heap from lack of protein.