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#1 May 13 2012 at 7:58 PM Rating: Excellent
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I graduated from college today. With a BA in History and Philosophy. I'm trained for nothing and have now entered a job market with four years worth of similar graduates.

More than a little bit stressed about that. At least now I get to wonder WTF I want to do with my life. Smiley: lol
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#2 May 13 2012 at 8:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Gratz! First thing is to apply for unemployment with the state, this should help build up funds while you look for a Starbucks that is hiring.

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#6 May 13 2012 at 10:03 PM Rating: Excellent
Grats digg! If you can wait tables, you can always find a job.
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#7 May 13 2012 at 10:24 PM Rating: Excellent
Congratulations. I hope you are not saddled with debt.
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It peeves me that employers don't see the value of Humanities subjects. EVERY workplace has different systems to learn, but EVERY work place involves dealing with human beings. Humanities is even more important if you're a politician or have a vote. Understanding where our society has come from, the major mistakes of the past, and being able to step out of our own personal existing culture, worldview, and society, and look at it from the outside, all that is crucial in trying to shape our society, our economy, our workplaces and our government processes and priorities.
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#9 May 14 2012 at 2:10 AM Rating: Excellent
Actually, from what I've read/heard, employers DO value those degrees. The problem is, our economy in the states is still pretty bad and there's lots of college grads out there with humanities degrees who are competing for entry level positions that actually require a degree. So a lot of recent college grads are stuck with minimum wage, part times jobs that don't even require a degree, because there aren't enough "good" jobs out there right now.

Grats on the degree Digg! I would suggest either joining the peace corp, or looking into teaching English abroad. There is always a demand for both of those, it's a good way to travel, plus it's a good opportunity to pay down some of that loan debt. From the research I've done, if you're interested in teaching English abroad, your best bet is to go to one of the Asian countries. They have the highest demand vs. supply, so they pay you a living wage, plus you have extra to either save or pay off bills. Supposedly in South Korea you can have anywhere from 500-1000 left over every month. If you want some info, I suggest reading this blog. This guy has been teaching English abroad for about 20 years, and I've found him to be very knowledgeable about how things work.
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#10 May 14 2012 at 5:57 AM Rating: Good
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Congratulations Diglett! I hope you will enjoy your rich and long career as a McDonalds cashier! Smiley: grin
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Congratulations Diglett! I hope you will enjoy your rich and long career as a McDonalds cashier! Smiley: grin
Don't be so mean.

With his degree, he could probably make manager.
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Grats on the degree Digg! I would suggest either joining the peace corp, or looking into teaching English abroad. There is always a demand for both of those, it's a good way to travel, plus it's a good opportunity to pay down some of that loan debt.

Better yet, join the French Foreign Legion and escape your student debt under a new identity in Algeria!

In all serious, the Peace Corps are very competitive to get in to.
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#13 May 14 2012 at 7:23 AM Rating: Good
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I figure I have three options.

Work a menial job and try to save money, at least for the next 6 months until I have to start repaying my government loans (though I have to start paying back NJ right away).
Work a menial job to pay for the costs of living and transport while working an internship.
Try and get a job in NYC and spend 4 hours a day on public transportation for $500 a month.

The BA isn't worthless, but the bigger issue is that the market is swamped with applicants. It did teach valuable skills that are practical for any industry, which is nice. I actually haven't seen that many job listings that specify degrees, unless they are looking for programmers or IT. Everything else is really interchangeable. If I can get an interview, there's a good chance I can earn the job through it. The bigger worry is that my application will be given a lower priority because of it.

The other issue is that I have no f*cking clue what I want to do with my life. Smiley: lol
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Something tells me I'd be a terrible soldier. Smiley: lol
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Wouldn't be able to tell with an officer. Smiley: schooled
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Yay Diglett!

Smiley: yippee

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#18 May 14 2012 at 1:50 PM Rating: Good
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Grats on the degree Digg! I would suggest either joining the peace corp, or looking into teaching English abroad. There is always a demand for both of those, it's a good way to travel, plus it's a good opportunity to pay down some of that loan debt.

Better yet, join the French Foreign Legion and escape your student debt under a new identity in Algeria!

In all serious, the Peace Corps are very competitive to get in to.


Is it? I figured they were selective, but that they always needed more volunteers at least. I know Teach for America is super competitive, but I didn't figure Peace Corps would be.
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Is it? I figured they were selective, but that they always needed more volunteers at least. I know Teach for America is super competitive, but I didn't figure Peace Corps would be.


A few well-qualified friends of mine have tried to join and been stymied, so I suspect it's quite competitive. A lot of people want to put the Peace Corps on their resume.

I'm sure they'd love to field more volunteers, but I'd wager that limitations in other resources bottleneck the amount of people they can take.
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A long time ago when the earth was green, I left school with a BA in History. I didn't have a clue what I wanted to do, I just knew that history was my 2nd favorite subject and they didn't offer a philosophy focus on logic at my school. I had (and still have) no idea what I want to do. I always say I want to write a novel, but the type novel always changes. I've gone through crime, historical fiction, Arthurian legend, to something Jordan/Martin fantasy-esque.

In the meantime, I spent a couple years slinging cell phones. It was pretty good money and you get to meet a lot of "interesting" people. One of the first things you learn is when somebody holds their phone out to you and says it doesn't work, you ask why. If the answer is "it fell in the toilet", you probably don't want to touch it.

After that I got on as a claims adjuster for one of the big 4 auto insurance companies. This work is very interesting and there is literally never a dull day. I'm not sure what part of the country you're in, but we are expanding in a lot of places. Let me know where you are and I can see if we have any open reqs.
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#22 May 14 2012 at 2:26 PM Rating: Good
I guess that's a good reason to have disposable gloves around when you work for cell phone companies?

And Digg is in New Jersey.
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I guess that's a good reason to have disposable gloves around when you work for cell phone companies?

And Digg is in New Jersey.


I was always extra leary when the customer brought it in in a plastic bag. It must have been really bad if they didn't want to touch it.
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New Jersey.


Suburb of NYC, suburb of Philly, or middle of the swamp?

Edit: I need your zip code to search by.

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#25 May 14 2012 at 3:14 PM Rating: Good
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Middle of the swamp, lol. Well, Eastern edge of it--I'm on the coast, forty-five minutes north of AC.

I found a few openings for companies/charities/organizations in NYC. Jobs don't sound great, but they might have either potential to teach skills or provide connections. Figure I'll apply as soon as I have my final transcript so I can update my resume.
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Middle of the swamp, lol. Well, Eastern edge of it--I'm on the coast, forty-five minutes north of AC.


Ok, so somewhere between Toms River and Asbury Park. Let me look again with 30 miles of a zip code in Brick.

Ok, the only job I found within 40 miles of Brick was in Iselin, which is close enough to NYC that you may just want to make the commute. If an exciting career in claims adjustership sounds right up your ally, let me know.
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#27 May 14 2012 at 3:27 PM Rating: Excellent
With your resume, one thing to keep in mind is that you shouldn't bother putting your GPA on there unless it was really good. Most companies don't care as long as you have the degree. By really good, I'm guessing they mean a 3.5 or higher.
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Only put your GPA there if it's sub-par, no-one likes a boaster.
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With your resume, one thing to keep in mind is that you shouldn't bother putting your GPA on there unless it was really good. Most companies don't care as long as you have the degree. By really good, I'm guessing they mean a 3.5 or higher.


Most companies don't care about your GPA unelss your degree is in an applied field like math, comp sci, or engineering. Getting a 4.0 in a humanities or business or even something like biology doesn't mean jack squat because for the most part you're not going to be applying your education in your job. I can count on 1 hand the number of times historical knowledge has come in handy in my current job.

Granted, some bosses are going to be impressed just by seeing that 4.0 on your transcript and some will not hire you because that 2.3 means you probably have a poor work ethic.
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#30 May 14 2012 at 4:18 PM Rating: Good
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I'm mostly just waiting to confirm I graduated *** laude, because there was a systems snafu with one of my grades (and I'm too lazy to calculate my GPA myself).
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Getting a 4.0 in a humanities or business or even something like biology doesn't mean jack squat


Speaking to the biology side things like internships, lab experience (that doesn't come from a classroom), and publications far outweigh any GPA in the hiring I've been involved with.
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A few well-qualified friends of mine have tried to join and been stymied, so I suspect it's quite competitive. A lot of people want to put the Peace Corps on their resume.

I'm sure they'd love to field more volunteers, but I'd wager that limitations in other resources bottleneck the amount of people they can take.

That's my understanding. They only have so much money to spend on shuttling people around and putting them up in thatch huts so, with more applicants than resources, they can afford to be picky.

Even more so now, I'd expect, where you have a bunch of recent graduates thinking they're going to join the Peace Corps and sit out the next couple years of bad economy digging wells in some South Pacific paradise. You do up your odds if you express a willingness to set aside Micronesia and instead go to Liberia or Burkina Faso but then, of course, you wind up spending a few years in Liberia or Burkina Faso.
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#33 May 14 2012 at 5:46 PM Rating: Good
grats. I went to college, I got some degrees. My job is nothing linked to my schooling. Heck the owner for the place I work at didn't want to hire me because I went to college (it makes me over qualified for the job :X).

Good luck and hope you can find something you would like to do.



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#34 May 14 2012 at 7:30 PM Rating: Good
I still don't get how "over qualified" is a thing. It shouldn't be a thing.
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Something tells me I'd be a terrible soldier. Smiley: lol


Nah man...this is why you look into joining the Air Force as an Officer.

In all seriousness though; if you dedicate 4 years to serving as an Officer you'll have your student loans paid off in no time; have an awesome job experience to put down on resume if you decide you don't like the military, and probably a crap ton of money saved up if you budget well/get stationed overseas.

Who knows; you could end up liking it a whole lot and end up with some pretty legit stories to tell.

Like this one time I was in Rio de Janeiro and a cabby wanted to us into the favellas where a gang war had just ended. Or the time my division brought a swimming pool onto the ship and set it up during a picnic day.

Oh and not to forget you can continue studying and receive free money/benefits for more education if you so desire.

Think it over; don't count it out just yet. There are a few people on this forum who are serving/have served in the military and will tell you the benefits you get are pretty dang good.
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I still don't get how "over qualified" is a thing. It shouldn't be a thing.
Someone who has the qualifications to do a higher grade of job or get more money is more likely to become unsatisfied with a job that they could eventually perceive as below them. It's easier to hire someone who has the skills for the job, but won't feel that they're better then it. Some jobs where a union is more prevalent have pay scales that are much more tightly tied to qualifications, meaning that you have to pay someone who has more skills more money. In this case it's more obvious how someone can be overqualified.
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I still don't get how "over qualified" is a thing. It shouldn't be a thing.
Someone who has the qualifications to do a higher grade of job or get more money is more likely to become unsatisfied with a job that they could eventually perceive as below them. It's easier to hire someone who has the skills for the job, but won't feel that they're better then it. Some jobs where a union is more prevalent have pay scales that are much more tightly tied to qualifications, meaning that you have to pay someone who has more skills more money. In this case it's more obvious how someone can be overqualified.


^ Yea this.

I tear down turbos for diesel vehicles, judge if parts are good or bad, keep the good ones and proceed to clean them. This is done via them getting baked for hours to break down the oil/crap in/on them and then I sit at a sandblasting cabinet and clean parts, so that a few other guys can take the now cleaned parts and rebuild the turbo (something I have been shown how to do).

It isn't a job someone who went to school would normally take, but I needed a job so it didn't matter at the time.

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#38 May 15 2012 at 12:19 AM Rating: Good
I was basing my resume advice off of what I've read on tips for resume building. Several different source said that it's worthwhile putting down your college GPA if you did well, because it shows that you are motivated and a hard worker.
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Congrats at graduation!

The issue you need to check is what courses that you did take that relate to the job market? If your smart you would check
on what you took over the past four years and show that you have done that in your job resume. History jobs are not that
common but they are out there. However if you have lots of math or science classes you can also squeeze into a lower
level teaching position for that. You can also get work in industry that way. Try to be creative and say "I have lots of
computer experience and then put down the classes and RL experience if you have it.
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All joking aside it's not a horrible career choice, or even temporary while you pad your resume. You can get a bunch of schools that translate really well to real world jobs, more schools if you've got a definite career path you want to take, even by itself most people look fondly to veterans when hiring. You can pretty easily get into a field where, at worst, you'll be in the middle of a base and won't see anything dangerous, and as an officer in one of those fields there's really very little risk. Really, the most dangerous part of any deployment is the tedious stretches of time where nothing happens, and I say that from a combat ready view point. Do finance or administration of some sort and it's almost a working vacation. You'll be expected to have a certain level of fitness, which can be annoying at times but after a while it becomes second nature, and how to shoot a rifle. I can see that as being difficult for some people, as the idea of taking a life is never an easy thing to think about, but again if you do some kind of administrative work the chances of you actually firing at anyone is basically zero. Then again, you might enjoy firing a rifle. I never fired any kind of gun before I joined, and now I have a closet full of 'em. ****, my company's medic gets higher scores at the ranges than most of the other soldiers here. Then there's health insurance, which is pretty much second to none.

I'm not saying that you should do it, but like Sogoro said: Don't just dismiss it without considering the benefits. It's definitely better than McDonalds, no matter how you look at it. You can do four years while building/padding your resume and have it pretty much entirely paid for you.
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I was disappointed when I figured out this didn't refer to me Smiley: lol

Dig, unless you're set on something to do with your field (hint: teaching), I'd look for an office job somewhere. Your degree basically just says "I can put forth enough time and effort to study," so you'll be starting low; but unlike the food services industry at least a national corporation will have some promotion opportunities and benefits.
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All joking aside it's not a horrible career choice, or even temporary while you pad your resume. You can get a bunch of schools that translate really well to real world jobs[...] Do finance or administration of some sort and it's almost a working vacation. [...] Then again, you might enjoy firing a rifle. I never fired any kind of gun before I joined, and now I have a closet full of 'em. [...] It's definitely better than McDonalds, no matter how you look at it. You can do four years while building/padding your resume and have it pretty much entirely paid for you.

Blah, blah, blah... what GI Joe here isn't telling you that the showers are FULL of dudes looking at your junk ALL THE TIME.
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I didn't want to overload him with all the perks at one time.
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All joking aside it's not a horrible career choice, or even temporary while you pad your resume. You can get a bunch of schools that translate really well to real world jobs[...] Do finance or administration of some sort and it's almost a working vacation. [...] Then again, you might enjoy firing a rifle. I never fired any kind of gun before I joined, and now I have a closet full of 'em. [...] It's definitely better than McDonalds, no matter how you look at it. You can do four years while building/padding your resume and have it pretty much entirely paid for you.

Blah, blah, blah... what GI Joe here isn't telling you that the showers are FULL of dudes looking at your junk ALL THE TIME.
The world was a much safer place when you could neither ask if someone was looking at your junk, nor tell someone that you were looking at their junk.
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But one thing has never changed--Alma was certainly looking at your junk.

And while I don't doubt the perks of time in the military, I doubt I'd be successful there by any stretch of the imagination. I'm an overweight socialist pacifist who has issues with Mud. More importantly, even if I wasn't directly involved in taking a life, and even if that life needed to be taken, I don't think I'm emotionally prepared for that. Plus, I suck at delegating (which is something I will not be telling potential employers).
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Even my own father, military veteran he was, always told me to go into the Air Force officer's corps if something happened to him. If you're not fit... don't worry, they'll make you healthy in about two months. Smiley: sly And the Air Force really wants the intelligent folks moreso than it does the brute strength guys or the gutsy brave ones.

One of my coworkers just set off for AF officer's training school. He was ridiculously excited about it. What was his undergraduate degree in? Religion. Smiley: laugh I think actually he has an eye toward becoming a chaplain.
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#47 May 15 2012 at 1:45 PM Rating: Good
So... do you have to do boot camp if you become an officer after getting a degree? I tried a term of ROTC stuff my freshman year in college and I wasn't thrilled with the experience. The military has pretty much been off the list of possibilities since.
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The thing about Air Force is that getting in is the hardest part. Army, Navy, and to a degree Marines, aren't nearly as strict and will work with you to get you in shape to pass into the real world. Air Force you've got to be at a certain level before they'll even let you through the door to get better to get out. Of course, once you're in it's about the cushiest job in the armed forces there is.

Taking lives isn't that big an issue, truth be told, and you can easily find positions where you probably won't ever see an enemy combatant. During a deployment, think of the base as a small village. Relatively speaking, very few people are there to do the major protecting, and even if those people are somehow disabled there are layers you have to get through before you get to the core of any installation. There are a lot of jobs where you'll be in the core area. Medics, commo, finance, cooks, mail, if you can think of a civilian job you can almost certainly find the military equivalent. So even if killing is an issue (and it is for most everyone), there's still things you can get into to reap the benefits.

And delegation, that's hardly something you'll have to worry about the first few years you're in, if at all. You pretty much won't be in a position to really delegate anything to anyone, and anything you might have to will be to people that are far more experienced than you and you can usually trust them to get whatever needs to be done, done. And trust me, after those first few years you'll be more than prepared to tell people what to do. Smiley: laugh

Mud? I can think of maybe two situations where I had to really deal with it. One, when it rains and you have to do weapons qualifications, which is kind of annoying not so much getting dirty as having to clean weapons afterwards, and then there was the Night Fire Course (lovingly called Nick at Night) in boot camp where you get to crawl through the dirt and mud while the Drill Instructors fire live ammo over your head, which is a lot more fun than it sounds. So, once, maybe twice a year if you're unlucky. Maybe never at all.

Sorry, olde warhorse mentality here.
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So... do you have to do boot camp if you become an officer after getting a degree?
Somewhat. Everyone goes through the same Basic program, which is a a four nine week program that everyone goes through. This is, as the name implies, a basic program that teaches you what it means and what it takes to be a soldier, and mostly basic rifle marksmanship. Afterwards, officers go to OCS (Officer Candidate School) for leadership training, whereas regular soldiers go through AIT (Advanced Individual Training), which are schools where you learn the finer points of whatever job you've chosen in the military. There's also BOLC (Basic Officer Leadership Course) that officers have to go to within up to like two years after they get out of BCT (Basic Combat Training; "Basic Training" everyone goes through) and OCS and get their commission.

I think that's the schedule. I'm doing this on my cell phone on the way home so I don't have all the paperwork at my fingertips and just doing this from memory.

Edited, May 15th 2012 4:13pm by lolgaxe
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#49 May 15 2012 at 3:22 PM Rating: Good
Back in 2006 I briefly considered joining the AF as one of the language translators. But my boyfriend at the time talked me out of it I think. I'll stow that away in the back of my brain as a possibility.
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