Mazra wrote:
Look at Avatar. Pocahontas in space and it still made a profit in the billions.
Pocahontas in Space? I thought it was Dances with Smurfs.
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Pocahontas in Space? I thought it was Dances with Smurfs.
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Mazra wrote:
Guys, this smells a lot like nerd rage to me.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
lolgaxe wrote:
Mazra wrote:
Guys, this smells a lot like nerd rage to me.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
I watched Transformers 2 for Devastator, not "Ballsack the Giant Robotic Dog". 
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I mentioned this idea at work, and a few men I work with who are well in their 50s both said "That sounds like a dumb move on Bay's part. I bet fans are not happy." Both of these men have children who went through the "tmnt" phase as 80s/90s kids. Even some of the guys that are my age didn't like the idea.
The sad thing is, is I will go see it -.- I like TMNT that much I will suffer through it.
but again, that new cartoon looks pretty awesome. Can't wait for it to start up :p
The sad thing is, is I will go see it -.- I like TMNT that much I will suffer through it.
but again, that new cartoon looks pretty awesome. Can't wait for it to start up :p
Good news everyone, you don't have to debate about the M anymore. Mr. Bay fixed it right up.
I always love when people involved with a project are asked about the project, like the director or writer is going to tell them how much they hate the project or how awful it is.
I always love when people involved with a project are asked about the project, like the director or writer is going to tell them how much they hate the project or how awful it is.
George Carlin wrote:
I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately.
lolgaxe wrote:
Good news everyone, you don't have to debate about the M anymore. Mr. Bay fixed it right up.
I always love when people involved with a project are asked about the project, like the director or writer is going to tell them how much they hate the project or how awful it is.
I always love when people involved with a project are asked about the project, like the director or writer is going to tell them how much they hate the project or how awful it is.
Bet that's motivated as much by that new marketing trend of simplifying names (see: Fast & Furious) as much as it is to support the origin story. After all these years of reboots, the trends are becoming really obvious.
See, here's the thing: Michael Bay is a terrible director. His "adaptation" to Transformers was to center them around a bunch of whining, terribly acted human actors, toss in some teenaged groaner jokes, and call it a day.
If he had made Bad Boys, but it starred the Transformers, nerd rage would have been quelled. People did not want to pay to see Shaia Leboef say NONONONONONONONONONONONO every other scene...
Changing an origin story is one thing. Raping a franchise is another. The entire storyline of TMNT is based on three, very crucial things:
1 - Humans' hatred and fear of the mutants
2 - The desire of said mutants wanting to be human
3 - The concept of the disposable society and the idea of there being a world the average person overlooks
The origin story of the turtles is that they were supposed to be beloved pets for a child, but the child's carelesness caused them to be lost down a sewer drain, only to wind up running headlong into a mutation agent carelessly disposed of. Everything else about them, both in the cartoon and in the comic, bases itself around them living on earth, feeling a need to defend their home despite the hatred directed at them.
Changing the basic plot line to turn earth into some sort of battleground for either one alien force versus an earth based one or two alien forces is total rape of the franchise. It's not even sharing anything except the baseline concept of the the heroes being Ninjas who are also Turtles, and even THAT is debatable unless the story is about aliens kidnapping turtles to mutate them into humanoids and then somehow teaching them Ninjitsu and plopping them back on earth.
The cartoons, at least, did have the concept of alien forces at work after a couple seasons. I didn't follow the comic books, but the associated RPG system that Palladium had did add in the concepts of space, time and dimensional travel that they could have just as easily pulled from.
If he had made Bad Boys, but it starred the Transformers, nerd rage would have been quelled. People did not want to pay to see Shaia Leboef say NONONONONONONONONONONONO every other scene...
Changing an origin story is one thing. Raping a franchise is another. The entire storyline of TMNT is based on three, very crucial things:
1 - Humans' hatred and fear of the mutants
2 - The desire of said mutants wanting to be human
3 - The concept of the disposable society and the idea of there being a world the average person overlooks
The origin story of the turtles is that they were supposed to be beloved pets for a child, but the child's carelesness caused them to be lost down a sewer drain, only to wind up running headlong into a mutation agent carelessly disposed of. Everything else about them, both in the cartoon and in the comic, bases itself around them living on earth, feeling a need to defend their home despite the hatred directed at them.
Changing the basic plot line to turn earth into some sort of battleground for either one alien force versus an earth based one or two alien forces is total rape of the franchise. It's not even sharing anything except the baseline concept of the the heroes being Ninjas who are also Turtles, and even THAT is debatable unless the story is about aliens kidnapping turtles to mutate them into humanoids and then somehow teaching them Ninjitsu and plopping them back on earth.
The cartoons, at least, did have the concept of alien forces at work after a couple seasons. I didn't follow the comic books, but the associated RPG system that Palladium had did add in the concepts of space, time and dimensional travel that they could have just as easily pulled from.
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Olorinus the Ludicrous wrote:
The idea of old school is way more interesting than the reality
Wonder Gem Pawkeshup wrote:
See, here's the thing: Michael Bay is a terrible director. His "adaptation" to Transformers was to center them around a bunch of whining, terribly acted human actors, toss in some teenaged groaner jokes, and call it a day.
If he had made Bad Boys, but it starred the Transformers, nerd rage would have been quelled. People did not want to pay to see Shaia Leboef say NONONONONONONONONONONONO every other scene...
Changing an origin story is one thing. Raping a franchise is another. The entire storyline of TMNT is based on three, very crucial things:
1 - Humans' hatred and fear of the mutants
2 - The desire of said mutants wanting to be human
3 - The concept of the disposable society and the idea of there being a world the average person overlooks
The origin story of the turtles is that they were supposed to be beloved pets for a child, but the child's carelesness caused them to be lost down a sewer drain, only to wind up running headlong into a mutation agent carelessly disposed of. Everything else about them, both in the cartoon and in the comic, bases itself around them living on earth, feeling a need to defend their home despite the hatred directed at them.
Changing the basic plot line to turn earth into some sort of battleground for either one alien force versus an earth based one or two alien forces is total rape of the franchise. It's not even sharing anything except the baseline concept of the the heroes being Ninjas who are also Turtles, and even THAT is debatable unless the story is about aliens kidnapping turtles to mutate them into humanoids and then somehow teaching them Ninjitsu and plopping them back on earth.
The cartoons, at least, did have the concept of alien forces at work after a couple seasons. I didn't follow the comic books, but the associated RPG system that Palladium had did add in the concepts of space, time and dimensional travel that they could have just as easily pulled from.
If he had made Bad Boys, but it starred the Transformers, nerd rage would have been quelled. People did not want to pay to see Shaia Leboef say NONONONONONONONONONONONO every other scene...
Changing an origin story is one thing. Raping a franchise is another. The entire storyline of TMNT is based on three, very crucial things:
1 - Humans' hatred and fear of the mutants
2 - The desire of said mutants wanting to be human
3 - The concept of the disposable society and the idea of there being a world the average person overlooks
The origin story of the turtles is that they were supposed to be beloved pets for a child, but the child's carelesness caused them to be lost down a sewer drain, only to wind up running headlong into a mutation agent carelessly disposed of. Everything else about them, both in the cartoon and in the comic, bases itself around them living on earth, feeling a need to defend their home despite the hatred directed at them.
Changing the basic plot line to turn earth into some sort of battleground for either one alien force versus an earth based one or two alien forces is total rape of the franchise. It's not even sharing anything except the baseline concept of the the heroes being Ninjas who are also Turtles, and even THAT is debatable unless the story is about aliens kidnapping turtles to mutate them into humanoids and then somehow teaching them Ninjitsu and plopping them back on earth.
The cartoons, at least, did have the concept of alien forces at work after a couple seasons. I didn't follow the comic books, but the associated RPG system that Palladium had did add in the concepts of space, time and dimensional travel that they could have just as easily pulled from.
Worth posting twice, apparently.
That's too bad because regular, run-of-the-mill ninja turtles are not worth my time.
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catwho wrote:
I could see making Shredder an invading alien and having the mutant Ninja Turtles defend the Earth against him. That'd be an acceptable change to canon.
Hell, I could even see making the ooze itself extra terrestrial in origin. Instead of locally produced nuclear reactive goo, make it a specific humanizing or animalizing mutagen. Sort of like the monoliths from 2001. That would also be an acceptable change to canon.
Making the turtles themselves aliens just ruins it. What about Splinter? Is he an alien too? If so, how did he learn earth based martial arts?
Hell, I could even see making the ooze itself extra terrestrial in origin. Instead of locally produced nuclear reactive goo, make it a specific humanizing or animalizing mutagen. Sort of like the monoliths from 2001. That would also be an acceptable change to canon.
Making the turtles themselves aliens just ruins it. What about Splinter? Is he an alien too? If so, how did he learn earth based martial arts?
The logical solution to radioactivity no longer being the go to for mutations and such was "Something something genetic engineering something something retrovirus".
Wonder Gem Pawkeshup wrote:
See, here's the thing: Michael Bay is a terrible director. His "adaptation" to Transformers was to center them around a bunch of whining, terribly acted human actors, toss in some teenaged groaner jokes, and call it a day.
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An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come. Victor Hugo
I didn't have any toys of the human beings, though.
Uglysasquatch wrote:
Wonder Gem Pawkeshup wrote:
See, here's the thing: Michael Bay is a terrible director. His "adaptation" to Transformers was to center them around a bunch of whining, terribly acted human actors, toss in some teenaged groaner jokes, and call it a day.
The shows were not centered around and following the exploits of Spike and the others. There were humans present, but the bulk of the action was left to the Transformers. If you were to go back and change the series to match the movies, the humans would start the show, the Transformers would come in for 5 minutes, then we'd watch the humans for 25 minutes, then the Transformers would duke it out for the last 5.
I don't recall that being the way the show went, and a lot of the episodes only featured bit parts for the humans.
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Olorinus the Ludicrous wrote:
The idea of old school is way more interesting than the reality
Wonder Gem Pawkeshup wrote:
Uglysasquatch wrote:
Wonder Gem Pawkeshup wrote:
See, here's the thing: Michael Bay is a terrible director. His "adaptation" to Transformers was to center them around a bunch of whining, terribly acted human actors, toss in some teenaged groaner jokes, and call it a day.
The shows were not centered around and following the exploits of Spike and the others. There were humans present, but the bulk of the action was left to the Transformers. If you were to go back and change the series to match the movies, the humans would start the show, the Transformers would come in for 5 minutes, then we'd watch the humans for 25 minutes, then the Transformers would duke it out for the last 5.
I don't recall that being the way the show went, and a lot of the episodes only featured bit parts for the humans.
^ This, and I have the 20th anniversary box set to back it up.
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With lolgaxe on this one, not even worth stealing.
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